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They traded next years 1st round pick because they're planning on getting it back when they trade Arrington ...

Effit...trade the 2 picks and get Edwards. Would be similar to the Giants trading for Eli last year....is Edwards as talented as Eli?

or, grab the best WR and CB with the 2 picks....also, MLB's Crowder and Thurman will be there in the bottom of the 1st,

SkinsLaVar wrote:This trade seems kind of sheisty…..

First of all, 3rd round (76th pick) isn’t such a big deal, but still good to have.

Third rounders can have an immediate impact. ey? Dockery? (I'm a big fan anyway)

Here's a list of the last 20 3rd rounders the Redskins took.

Chris ey
Derrick Dockery
Cliff Russell
Rashad Bauman
Lloyd Harrison
Skip Hicks
Derek Smith
Darryl Pounds
Joseph Patton
Tydus Winans
Ed Bunn
Rick Hamilton
Paul Seiver
Ricky Ervins
Mohammed Elenonibi
Tracey Rocker
Mike Oliphant (great story btw)
Alvin Walton
Jay Schroeder
Charles Mann

Obviously a lot of recognizable names. You can go thru the list and pick about half that you want on your team as starters or rotated in as backups. The rest, well some didn't pan out due to injury or whatever. But you get the point.

On it's face, I don't like the trade to get the 25th. If they decide to trade up, I will be frightened.
If they can somehow trade out of the #9 pick, I would be ecstatic.
This really does feel like a prelude to another move.

Raiders got two 2nds now... (#38 & #47)... they were trying to get back in the first round.... maybe at #25? :-"

I agree about this being a prelude to another move. I also think the Campbell hype is the best primer to gin up interest from trade partners. (which is why that info was leaked in the first place) There's an outside shot we'd trade Ramsey but this is a longshot. If Vinny Cerrato gives us any information on draft strategy I will completely lose confidence in him as a competent V.P.F.O. Feeding the eager masses pre-draft strategy is not in the Redskins best interest. In fact, I hope he and Gibbs have us so confused about what their intentions are that we all get upset and pissed right up until draft day when we see it was all B.S. Anything less means we're not playing to win. I hope we make another trade to move down and still find a way to pick up Heath Miller and a CB. Erasmus James and Marcus Spears are intriguing too.

hmmmmm....

That would be nice... but why trade the 3rd, a 4th and a 1st next year for two 2nd's?

I guess we could go:

9- Adam Jones
38- Jason Campbell
47- Alex Smith

hmmmmm

Skinsfan55 wrote:hmmmmm....

That would be nice... but why trade the 3rd, a 4th and a 1st next year for two 2nd's?

I guess we could go:

9- Adam Jones
38- Jason Campbell
47- Alex Smith

hmmmmm

Well if they did do that... and got really crazy and traded back from #9 to pick up a later first & another seconds... then we would have traded a 1rst, 3rd, 4th for three 2nd's... not too shabby....

hmmmm

I dunno what e have planned, all I do know though is that Saturday is going to be like Christmas... I am so excited to see what the Skins do I can barely sit up straight!

Skinsfan55 wrote:hmmmm

I dunno what e have planned, all I do know though is that Saturday is going to be like Christmas... I am so excited to see what the Skins do I can barely sit up straight!

WHOA BOY! a little TMI...

I don't think those 2 picks are where we're going to actually draft... I believe one of them will be parlayed into more picks...

Skinsfan55 wrote:trade the 3rd, a 4th and a 1st next year for two 2nd's?

I could see that. If we get a #38 and a #47 for #25, that could work well for the Raiders and us.

BTP wrote:Well if they did do that... and got really crazy and traded back from #9 to pick up a later first & another seconds... then we would have traded a 1rst, 3rd, 4th for three 2nd's... not too shabby.... icon_wink.gif

Even better.

Here's what is going to happen. Mark these words:)

Trade the #9 to either Bengals or Saints for their #16 or 17 respectively, plus a second or third rounder.

I heard an interview with Pac man Jones that he and Marvin Lewis really hit it off and that he would love to play there.

We draft Carlos Rogers with the #16 pick (which is REALLY why Gibbs was at Auburn, not for Campbell)

then we draft Heath Miller with the #25 who has the best Hands in the draft and would give Gibbs more flexibility on offense than another WR would.

That's my two cent prediction (until next hour when they trade both of their 1st rounders for a punter a free S.I subscription)

BringThePain! wrote:Raiders got two 2nds now... (#38 & #47)... they were trying to get back in the first round.... maybe at #25? :-"

That's brilliant. I normally hate postulating trade scenario's because 90% of them make no sense whatsoever. But this actually makes some sense given that we had dialogue w/the Raiders. I would like to see them get a bit more than 2 2nd rounders though. That would equate to giving up our 3rd rounder this year, our 1st next year and a 4th next year for 2 2nd rounders. Sweeten the deal with a 3rd rounder and I'd be cool with that.

I think we should take Adam "Pac-Man" Jones with the 9th selection, unless Artrell Rolle is there....but I think the Titans will pick him up....then with the 25th pick, we should pick up either Mark Clayton or Roddy White for our WR...what about that?


Stats on Roddy White
Position: Wide Receiver
College: Alabama-Birmingham
Height: 6-1
Weight: 201
Hometown: Charleston, S.C.


Stats on Mark Clayton
Position: Wide Receiver
College: Oklahoma
Height: 5-10
Weight: 193
Hometown: Arlington, Texas


Stats on Adam Jones
Position: Cornerback/Return Specialist
College: West Virginia
Height: 5-11
Weight: 187
Hometown: College Park, Ga.


Stats on Artrell Rolle
Position: Cornerback
College: Miami (Fla.)
Height: 6-0
Weight: 202
Hometown: Homestead, Fla.


Personally, I want Artrell Rolle and Roddy White, but we'll probably settle for Adam Jones @ the CB position..

More INFO on Roddy White

White garnered All-Conference USA honors in 2003, as he hauled in another 39 passes, good for 844 yards (21.6 avg.) and seven touchdowns. The best was yet to come, as White led the nation in receiving yardage and ranked third in the country with a 20.5 yards per catch average. He caught a career-high 71 passes for a Conference USA season-record 1,452 yards and set a school season record by converting 14 of those catches into touchdowns.

In 45 games, White started 43 contests. He caught 163 passes for 3,112 yards (19.1 avg.) and 26 touchdowns. Only Derrick Ingram (207 catches for 3,379 yards and 28 scores, 1991-94) had better totals in school history. Roddy also gained 76 yards on five kickoff returns during his time as a Blazer.

DieselFan wrote:

BringThePain! wrote:Raiders got two 2nds now... (#38 & #47)... they were trying to get back in the first round.... maybe at #25? :-"

That's brilliant. I normally hate postulating trade scenario's because 90% of them make no sense whatsoever. But this actually makes some sense given that we had dialogue w/the Raiders. I would like to see them get a bit more than 2 2nd rounders though. That would equate to giving up our 3rd rounder this year, our 1st next year and a 4th next year for 2 2nd rounders. Sweeten the deal with a 3rd rounder and I'd be cool with that.

actually... we'd be getting the better deal, if you reference the Draft Value Chart..... we'd still owe them like 210 points... which is why it's not likely to happen.... but we could get there early 2nd and 3rd... which would be more even..... but we might be able to swindle both 2nds out of them... if there's a guy they want at 25th bad enough.... who knows...

Skinsfan55 wrote:This is a very deep draft,:\

According to most "experts", this is one of the thinnest and weakest drafts in recent memory.

One of the CBS draftblog guys even quoted a league source as saying it's the worst draft in the last 20 years.



About the only way to put a positive spin on this trade is if you believe that the Redskins feel they are really close to being a contender this season and one player is all that's needed to push them over the top.

Can anyone say "George Allen"

THE FUTURE IS NOW.

Sorry just having serious flashbacks.

I have been patiently waiting for someone to address that "very deep draft" comment.

Yeah, Gibbs will have to work some magic to make this 1,3 &4 for the #25 not look like a mistake. If we end up with Carlos Rogers and Heath Miller, OR two 2nd rounders from the Raiders, OR some deal where we package Gardner and a pick for more picks then he might pull it off. If we just draft the #9 and 25, Ithink this will end up being a mistake. Gotta trust in Gibbs though.

curveball wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:This is a very deep draft,:\

According to most "experts", this is one of the thinnest and weakest drafts in recent memory.

One of the CBS draftblog guys even quoted a league source as saying it's the worst draft in the last 20 years.



About the only way to put a positive spin on this trade is if you believe that the Redskins feel they are really close to being a contender this season and one player is all that's needed to push them over the top.

If I'm not mistaken.... the 'Boys traded into this draft too... .... and if we took experts at their every word, we'd all go crazy.... One reason that they might be saying that it's a bad draft is because there's no top tier guys, that you know should definetly pick at the top.... only a few... that doesn't mean there's not some great quality players in the late first, or second or third rounds....

BringThePain! wrote:

curveball wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:This is a very deep draft,:\

According to most "experts", this is one of the thinnest and weakest drafts in recent memory.

One of the CBS draftblog guys even quoted a league source as saying it's the worst draft in the last 20 years.



About the only way to put a positive spin on this trade is if you believe that the Redskins feel they are really close to being a contender this season and one player is all that's needed to push them over the top.

If I'm not mistaken.... the 'Boys traded into this draft too... .... and if we took experts at their every word, we'd all go crazy.... One reason that they might be saying that it's a bad draft is because there's no top tier guys, that you know should definetly pick at the top.... only a few... that doesn't mean there's not some great quality players in the late first, or second or third rounds....

You really can't compare the two. Dallas traded into this first round last year when it looked like this would be a decent draft and only after they were almost assured to get the player (or position specifically) they really wanted.

Remeber ALL of the RB's lasted until their pick. Dropping down and getting a first the next year was "safe" after seeing how the first round played out. Jumping the gun this early makes a target player or position virtually impossible.

I don't believe there's one target player... as I've stated before... they are using next years pick to get someone who can help the team this year.... everybody past pick number 10 or 20 isn't a bunch of crap.... they're all players... and I don't think sacrificing the 10-15th pick overall next year.. is that bad to get a player or players to help us out this year... there's plenty of quality guys, not saying superstars, but quality guys in these first and second rounds

There's not a lot of star power but this draft is very deep with talent, just not a lot of standouts.

Ok, ok, ok... I let this thread go on long enough without interjecting my whole 2 cents...

1) Giving up the 4th rounder next year seems superfluous to me... I think that a 3rd this year and a first next year was plenty good enough... especially considering a) the lack of superstar talent in this draft and b) the fact that it's a LOW first round pick.
2) We need the pick though. It will make a huge difference in the things we can do in this draft... most of which have been mentioned or hinted at already in this thread. If the Redskins now use their own first round pick to get a second this year and a first next year, we'll have done pretty well. We will have swapped the #9 pick, our 3rd round pick and the 1st and 4th next year, for the #25 pick, a second rounder and next year's first... actually a decent deal though it would depend a lot on what next year's draft positions are.
3) One of the BEST points made in all of this is that with cap 'troubles' supposedly on the horizon.... not having a first round pick in 2006 will just mean that it's one less salary to worry about in 2006 if we don't regain our first rounder next year...
4) The lack of superstar talent only affects the #9 pick in this draft, there are LOTS of good prospects worthy of a #25 pick. This actually puts us in a WAY better bargaining position for both dealing the #9 pick and/or dealing Gardner.
5) Like many stated... looking too far ahead in the modern NFL is an absolute waste of time. That doesn't mean that you can be careless and stupid, but it does mean that you have to look to the present as much or more than the future. This trade does that for us. Worst case scenario we can keep both first rounders, grab two bonafide potential starters and definitely help field a better 2005 squad.
6) there's a good chance that the Skins will get a pick BACK next year when the league formulates the compensatory picks (which the Redskins would seem a likely recipient having lost Smoot, and Pierce)

The last thing that I'd like to point out is that all of the conjecture in the world doesn't mean squat unless you're in the head of Joe Gibbs. The internet has created a cess pool of bad prognosticating where BS leads are run as fact all of the time.

How many reporters reported this trade possibility?

You just never know what's going on is the bottom line. The Redskins could have made this deal because they have another one in place, they could have made the deal because they know they have two players targeted to help this team that they'll get at #9 and #25.

Or it could just be a lopsided trade that we accepted to get better right away.

It'll sure make Saturday's festivities a little longer.

BossHog wrote:1) Giving up the 4th rounder next year seems superfluous to me... I think that a 3rd this year and a first next year was plenty good enough... especially considering a) the lack of superstar talent in this draft and b) the fact that it's a LOW first round pick.

I understand where your coming from... but if thats what it took to get Denver to bite.... then I think it was worth it... if they believe whoever we take/or do with the 25th pick can help us....like you said in 2)... we need the pick... we lost a couple of guys and not having a 2nd was hurting us filling those gaps... hopefully this helps...

Besides Stephan Davis, we haven't drafted anything good in the 4th round in decades... if that helps sooth the disarray..