hailskins666 wrote:tsaler, i won't get into this political bs again like i did last time, but i have one more thing to say.
Okay.
answer how you will, you'll get no response from me after saying our military isn't defending your freedom by being in iraq, at that point you are too close minded to see outside your own bubble.
No no, I certainly see your point. I am not closed-minded on this subject; instead, I am very opinionated. I am not saying that your opinion or the opinion of those like you is not valid, doesn't exist, or anything else. I am simply saying that I don't agree with it, and that I have facts, statements, and all the rest to back that opinion up. I don't expect or ask everyone or even anyone else to agree with me.
if saddam was supporting and harboring al qeada by saying, sure you can build your WMD's in my back yard, i hate america too, that isn't reason to take action?
Saddam Hussein did not support or harbor al-Qaeda. Can you show evidence that he did? I certainly hope not, because that would mean you have evidence that the 9/11 Commission on down to the media don't have access to!
Saddam Hussein never supported al-Qaeda militarily, financially, or materially. He never gave them permission to build weapons of mass destruction in his "back yard" either. In fact, there is no evidence that shows Saddam Hussein had any contact at all with al-Qaeda.
Yet again, don't get me wrong: Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator, and there is no doubt that Iraq will be better off without him, presuming that democracy can take hold in that country as opposed to another dictatorship coming into power. I would not like to think about what would happen if the latter took place.
So, if those things you said were actually true, that would be reason to take action. Since they were and are not, they are not reason to take action.
example, bin laden constructs a plutonium core, to detonate in philly(where you live), is the american government wrong for trying to prevent it?
No.
are they not protecting you freedom of life, liberty and your very own pursuit of happiness?
Yes, they are.
i'm sure you'll say no WMD's were found in iraq.
I wasn't planning on bringing it up myself, but since you have brought it up, there have been no WMDs found in Iraq to date.
but at the same time, i don't remember if it was the 60's or 70's, but one of our own jets went down in the swamps of the carolinas, carrying a nuclear weapon, it has been documented. after an extensive search, the recovery was called off, saying that the weapon couldn't even be detonated if it was found. the weapon to this day(if i'm not mistaken) hasn't been discovered....on our own soil, where we even had a couple clues to where it could be.
Interesting. Okay.
so if we can't find a needle in a haystack of a crash site, whats to say we can find em overnite in a much larger haystack of another country altogether?
Because the Secretary of Defense said he knew where they were.
"We know where [Iraqi weapons of mass destruction] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." - Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003.
Let's check out some other quotes, shall we?
"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them." - General Tommy Franks, March 22, 2003.
"I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction." - Kenneth Adelman, March 23, 2003.
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Dick Cheney, August 26, 2002.
"We know for a fact that there are weapons there." - Ari Fleischer, January 9, 2003.
"Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty." - Robert Kagan, April 9, 2003.
They also like to change their stories, too. Check these gems out:
"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so." - George W. Bush, May 3, 2003.
"We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country." - Donald Rumsfeld, May 4, 2003.
"U.S. officials never expected that 'we were going to open garages and find' weapons of mass destruction." - Condoleezza Rice, May 12, 2003.
I think this really says it all, unless you want to dispute a Lieutenant General from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force:
"It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there." - Lieutenant General James Conway
you are too liberal for your own good.
I deserve and I demand more respect than to be told on an Internet message board what is and isn't for my own good. Don't make this personal. I do not wish for it to be. I have shown you the utmost respect while maintaining a serious and intense debate. I expect you to do the same.
if people like you were running this country, we wouldn't be the bully
Wouldn't that be nice? No one likes bullies. After all, we know that bullies are really cowards underneath.
we'd be the kid getting picked on trying to laugh it off, but crying beneath the surface at the same time
I disagree, but you are obviously entitled to your own opinion.
because you'd probably be trying to abolsih abortion
That sure came out of nowhere! I would venture a guess and say that it's a pretty good thing that you don't get into politics too much, because that makes no sense at all!
The folks who are trying to abolish abortion, my friend, are the right-wing Republicans like those who support and advise George W. Bush.
Me and my party stand in strong support of a woman's right to choose. I guess I can't fault you for not knowing important and pressing issues facing our country, though.
and things like that which have no impact whatsoever on national security, while terrorist are thinking on a much bigger scale.
There is more to governing than national security, defense, and war. You should know that.
humor me with what the temple class of 2008 would say...
I don't get it.
ey-Aid of the Redskins.