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DEHog wrote:Yep, hate to se them reach for someone like Murray.

I think this franchise has reached on enough quarterbacks for my lifetime. Definitely don't want someone who isn't the NFL prototype and probably would rather play baseball anyway.

Tank.

Forget the 2019 season. Take the cap hit on Alex Smith. Trade Josh Norman, who might not be worth the money they pay, and who certainly will not make a difference in standings next season. Use Colt McCoy at QB. Play down to get to a top draft position. By winning six or nine games a season, the Redskins always draft in the middle. The only time they had a top-of-the-top pick, they traded into it by giving up future picks to the Rams.

welch wrote:Tank.

Forget the 2019 season. Take the cap hit on Alex Smith. Trade Josh Norman, who might not be worth the money they pay, and who certainly will not make a difference in standings next season. Use Colt McCoy at QB. Play down to get to a top draft position. By winning six or nine games a season, the Redskins always draft in the middle. The only time they had a top-of-the-top pick, they traded into it by giving up future picks to the Rams.

Let's get real, my friend. This is the Redskins we're talking about. The franchise has pride.

Tanking the season would be an open declaration of failure by everyone in the command chain.

Here's a quote from Allen's press conference yesterday:

“We’re in the middle of the pack,” Allen said. “It means you’re close. It means you’re close to being better.”

That pretty much summarizes what I said above, before the guy spoke with the press. Failure is not an option here. It's not a word in this kind of culture.

Obviously, he's living in a parallel reality, judging what everyone saw here last season.

El Mexican wrote:

“We’re in the middle of the pack,” Allen said. “It means you’re close. It means you’re close to being better.”

That pretty much summarizes what I said above, before the guy spoke with the press. Failure is not an option here. It's not a word in this kind of culture.

Obviously, he's living in a parallel reality, judging what everyone saw here last season.

Except that they're not in the middle of the pack and they're not close. They won't win six games with Colt McCoy starting.

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:The one thing it would allow the Redskins to do is take the entire cap hit ($42 million) at once, instead of spreading it out over three years. That would be crippling to the 2019 squad, but that would also be the point.
With that move, the Redskins would publicly announce their intentions to tank the season to be in a better position in 2020. Washington could then sign players like Brandon Scherff to front-loaded extensions, absorbing a bigger cap hit in 2019.

This is what I was thinking about but I think I had it backwards in my head. I was thinking they could spread the cap hit out over more years. I'm not sure why I was thinking that. Probably not enough coffee.

It's a interesting thought?? Would you just concede this year...would set them up nicely for 2020...

it's looking like we'll get a high draft pick in the 2020 draft BUT with these 2 bozos managing things it will not matter how many high draft picks we get

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:They won't win six games with Colt McCoy starting.

I like that you can imagine Colt staying healthy for six games.

Wish I knew more about the QBs coming out this year to have an opinion on any of them. I did see a mock the other day where the Skins took Drew Lock at #15. Not sure how realistic that would be or the quality of that player. But the Post reported the team was interested in him and McSorley this week:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... c9140ac4ab

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:They won't win six games with Colt McCoy starting.

I like that you can imagine Colt staying healthy for six games.

Wish I knew more about the QBs coming out this year to have an opinion on any of them. I did see a mock the other day where the Skins took Drew Lock at #15. Not sure how realistic that would be or the quality of that player. But the Post reported the team was interested in him and McSorley this week:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... c9140ac4ab

That's why I said they won't win six games with McCoy starting. I don't dislike Colt but he is Fra-Gee-Lay

I'm not terribly impressed with this year's QB prospects. I guess the presumption is they have to add at least one QB but I expect Lock to be off the board before #15 and McSorley sounds like a poor man's RGIII, another undersized, underarmed, non-pocket passer. I've seen enough of those for a lifetime. If they draft any QB prospect it had better be an NFL prototype pocket passer. It had better be someone who can make "all the throws" required of an NFL passer. These quarterbacks who can't pass from the pocket aren't worth a *sh$t* in the NFL. They might surprise teams for one season but teams adjust.

Getting back n topic Snyder and Allen did find someone to work for them!!
Also KC was able to get a pretty good DC in Spagnolo

The Redskins have hired veteran NFL defensive coordinator Ray Horton to be their defensive backs coach, a person with knowledge of the situation said Thursday.

Horton, 58, was a star safety for the Bengals and Cowboys in the 1980s and early 1990s before becoming an assistant defensive backs coach with the Redskins in 1994. He was the Arizona Cardinals’ defensive coordinator in 2011 and 2012, and he held the same title for the Cleveland Browns in 2013 and 2016 and Tennessee Titans in 2014 and 2015.

None of his six defenses as a coordinator ranked better than 15th in the NFL in yards allowed, but those numbers were skewed by the fact his run defenses were in the bottom of the league. Three times in his six years as a coordinator, his teams were in the top 10 in fewest passing yards given up. His 2012 Cardinals defense was second in the league in interceptions.

Horton, who has not coached since being fired by the Browns following the 2016 season, will replace Torrian Gray, who recently took a job as a defensive backs coach at the University of Florida. The Redskins, who hired Nate Kaczor as special teams coach last week, still have to replace inside linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who left for a similar job with the Green Bay Packers.

The Redskins finished 15th overall in passing yards allowed last year, although that ranking was helped by the fact that the Jacksonville Jaguars had only 20 passing yards against them during a December game.

DEHog wrote:Getting back n topic Snyder and Allen did find someone to work for them!!

I suppose if your options are the Redskins or the unemployment line ... it should be embarrassing to this franchise that they lost a position coach to the same position in college. What NFL position coach leaves the NFL for the same position with a D1 NCAA team? Not a head coaching position or even a coordinator position. No, Torrian Gray left the Redskins to become the defensive backs coach at Florida. That must be one hell of an awful place to work.

DEHog wrote:Getting back n topic Snyder and Allen did find someone to work for them!!
Also KC was able to get a pretty good DC in Spagnolo

Horton, who has not coached since being fired by the Browns following the 2016 season

This line might not say everything, but it says a lot to me

I guess D.Hall was also interviewed for the position...

DEHog wrote:I guess D.Hall was also interviewed for the position...

He'll definitely go on to take the Bills to the Super Bowl next year in his first year as their new head coach.

You: Snyder & Allen cannot find anyone to work for them ...
Rob Ryan: Hold my beer.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 722340002/

riggofan wrote:You: Snyder & Allen cannot find anyone to work for them ...
Rob Ryan: Hold my beer.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 722340002/

You beat me to it...Should be fun...DC by the end of the season???

DEHog wrote:You beat me to it...Should be fun...DC by the end of the season???

lol. I think we have at least three position coaches who have been DCs or Head Coaches previously. Crazy!

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:You beat me to it...Should be fun...DC by the end of the season???

lol. I think we have at least three position coaches who have been DCs or Head Coaches previously. Crazy!

Great. Another guy who only ever had an NFL job because of his dad.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'm sure Greg Manusky is just thrilled to know that he's only still there because no one else would take the job. That would make me want to give my best effort. The manner in which this organization conducts business from top to bottom is an exercise in how not to conduct business.

I know you guys have this opinion, but not one that bothers me especially. If Manusky doesn't give "his best effort" he'll be fired next year and its not going to make it any easier to get his next job. I don't see it as any different than drafting a running back in the first round when you already have four RBs on the roster. Manusky knows he's on the hot seat.

Still, I agree it doesn't help with the dysfunction at Redskins Park. You'd like to see everyone there united and working together. That's clearly not the case.

At this point I think everyone on the coaching staff is giving their best efforts to sbow other teams what they can do. I have a feeling Gruden is on his last leg next season.

Bishop Hammer wrote:I have a feeling Gruden is on his last leg next season.

Yeah seems like a fair statement. I think 1) Gruden would have to do something miraculous next season to remain coach beyond 2019 and 2) the logic is most likely that we're in for a tough season, why hire and pay a first year coach to come in with little chance of changing anything.

Sorry I know its kind of insane to suggest there's any logic behind any of this.

riggofan wrote:

Bishop Hammer wrote:I have a feeling Gruden is on his last leg next season.

Yeah seems like a fair statement. I think 1) Gruden would have to do something miraculous next season to remain coach beyond 2019 and 2) the logic is most likely that we're in for a tough season, why hire and pay a first year coach to come in with little chance of changing anything.

Sorry I know its kind of insane to suggest there's any logic behind any of this.

The logic is that no one in their right mind would take that job.

Who knows if this is true or not. But would anybody find it difficult to believe?
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/re ... ency-moves
Sports Junkies: Jay Gruden not consulted on Redskins' free agency moves

Jay Gruden has reportedly been left in the dark on some of these decisions.

"I'm told he's not being consulted on any of these moves as of Friday," Eric Bickel of 106.7 The Fan's Sports Junkies said Monday. "I'm told he heard of the Landon Collins signing through the media, a guy in the media texted him. He's super frustrated. Bruce [Allen] is calling all the shots. They're not consulting Jay at all. As of Friday, Jay was like 'we have so many needs. We need linebackers. We need outside receivers, we have all these things.' And they had basically signed a backup quarterback and Landon Collins."

Typically within NFL teams, head coaches are consulted on player acquisitions and are present in the draft room to provide their input. This doesn't seem to be the case for Gruden and the Redskins.

"I'm telling you this is true," Bickel says. "I know this to be true that Jay is super frustrated."

"He's not being consulted, they have a ton of needs, and it's just Bruce out there doing whatever he wants."

riggofan wrote:Who knows if this is true or not. But would anybody find it difficult to believe?

Bruce Allen may or may not be calling the shots on player personnel but I more likely think it's Doug Williams. Bruce is calling the shots on the money. Doug seemed pretty happy to have Landon Collins on the roster.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Bruce Allen may or may not be calling the shots on player personnel but I more likely think it's Doug Williams. Bruce is calling the shots on the money. Doug seemed pretty happy to have Landon Collins on the roster.

I'm sure Jay was happy about Landon Collins too. Not really the point though, is it?

And I hope its Doug making player decisions over Bruce Allen, but still sounds dysfunctional to me to not ask your head coach about a player you're bringing in.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Bruce Allen may or may not be calling the shots on player personnel but I more likely think it's Doug Williams. Bruce is calling the shots on the money. Doug seemed pretty happy to have Landon Collins on the roster.

I'm sure Jay was happy about Landon Collins too. Not really the point though, is it?

And I hope its Doug making player decisions over Bruce Allen, but still sounds dysfunctional to me to not ask your head coach about a player you're bringing in.

I don't know. Maybe they don't trust Jay with player personnel decisions. I wouldn't, especially with defensive players.

Or maybe Bruce Allen is who we thought he was, a control freak who has to have his hands in and his stamp on everything. It would probably bother me more if I thought the team was anywhere close or if I thought Allen was pulling a "John Gruden" or a "Chip Kelly" and systematically dismantling a good team. I don't think Bruce Allen can do any harm to this team right now. It needs sweeping changes. Jay has a tendency to be loyal to players who need to go. See: McCoy, Colt. Now, where they should have let the head coach call the shots on player personnel was with Shanahan. Gruden is not in Shanahan's league when it comes to talent evaluation.

Honestly, to me this seems more like Eric Bickel stirring the *sh$t* pot than it does like anything we didn't already know. Bruce Allen is never going to take a hands-off approach.

Didn't take long for that story to be refuted...


Hoffman: Gruden frustrated, but 'absolutely' involved in Redskins' free agency process

March 18, 2019 - 11:06 am


By Craig Hoffman

Eric Bickel cited a source this morning on The Sports Junkies who said Jay Gruden is frustrated with how things are going at Redskins Park. "He's super frustrated, (team president) Bruce (Allen) is calling all the shots. They're not consulting Jay at all. As of Friday, Jay was like, 'We have so many needs. We need linebackers, we need outside receivers, we have all these (needs).' And they had basically signed a backup quarterback (Case Keenum) and Landon Collins. That's about what they had done so far in free agency."

After another non-playoff year, Gruden was and is unquestionably frustrated. Gruden is a coach on the hot seat, and he knows it. His entire staff knows their seats are hot as well. They also know they need to get better because the roster they have is not good enough to compete for a championship. That is especially true on offense, where Gruden lost his best player in his weakest position group when Jamison Crowder signed with the Jets.

However, Gruden has been involved in the free agency process. The team has meetings starting immediately after the season extending into the final days and hours before free agency. Gruden was in those meetings, helping to set the Redskins free agency board. Sources with knowledge of Gruden’s thinking said that he was very high on Landon Collins, who the Redskins inked to a 6-year, $84 million contract within hours of free agency starting, and that the coach liked the addition of Case Keenum to compete with Colt McCoy.

While Gruden’s football opinion matters quite a bit and he absolutely is involved in the process, he is still the head coach and not the general manager, or the person in the general manager’s role as the Redskins do not employ someone with that title. Allen and Senior Vice President of Football Operations Eric Schaffer are in charge of contracts and ultimately play the biggest role in who the team signs. Even if a player was hypothetically the top target on Washington’s board, ultimately Allen and Schaffer put a price tag on that player’s value. If a player chooses elsewhere because of a better contract, that could be a role in Gruden’s cited frustration if he thought the team could have been more aggressive.

DEHog wrote:Didn't take long for that story to be refuted...


Hoffman: Gruden frustrated, but 'absolutely' involved in Redskins' free agency process

Sounds about normal....

Wasn't there a story a few weeks about everybody going to the senior bowl except Gruden?