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Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:28 am
by DEHog
DarthMonk wrote:^^^ duh
Anyway ...
How about Foles, Greg Williams, and a new owner ?
Foles will command too much$$$, Williams has signed with the Jets and Snyder ain't going anywhere.
It hard to blame management for our current QB issues, Smith was a good stop gap for a few years, no one could foresee the injury.
The biggest misstep IMO by the current leadership is one that no one talks about...How do you let Sean McVay go?
Yeah I get that hindsight is 20/20 but they saw this guy everyday, no one in the organization saw his potential??
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:55 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:The biggest misstep IMO by the current leadership is one that no one talks about...How do you let Sean McVay go?
Yeah I get that hindsight is 20/20 but they saw this guy everyday, no one in the organization saw his potential??
McVay has a lot more talented roster in St. Louis than he ever had in Washington. Believe it or not that matters.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:41 am
by DEHog
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:DEHog wrote:The biggest misstep IMO by the current leadership is one that no one talks about...How do you let Sean McVay go?
Yeah I get that hindsight is 20/20 but they saw this guy everyday, no one in the organization saw his potential??
McVay has a lot more talented roster in St. Louis than he ever had in Washington. Believe it or not that matters.
Yes the same roster that Fisher had the previous season...It was under McVay that Cousins played his best and the Skins last made the playoffs.
You don't think the Skins win more games the last two year had Mcvay still been here?
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:40 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:DEHog wrote:The biggest misstep IMO by the current leadership is one that no one talks about...How do you let Sean McVay go?
Yeah I get that hindsight is 20/20 but they saw this guy everyday, no one in the organization saw his potential??
McVay has a lot more talented roster in St. Louis than he ever had in Washington. Believe it or not that matters.
Yes the same roster that Fisher had the previous season...It was under McVay that Cousins played his best and the Skins last made the playoffs.
You don't think the Skins win more games the last two year had Mcvay still been here?
No, I do think they win more games, because I think they score a lot more than 17 points a game or whatever Gruden's inept offense was putting up. But how many more games? Probably still not the twelve or thirteen a season he's winning in St. Louis. Remember, this is the team that hired Jim Zorn over Gregg Williams. They're not very good at making the obvious correct decision. This is also the team that just gave Bruce Allen more control over screwing things up.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:16 pm
by DEHog
^^^^ McVay can coach, yes he has players but you don't take a Fisher coached 4-12 team to 11-5 the very next season and 13-3 the next year, without being able to coach!
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:52 pm
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:^^^^ McVay can coach, yes he has players but you don't take a Fisher coached 4-12 team to 11-5 the very next season and 13-3 the next year, without being able to coach!
Man, Fisher was terrible with the Rams... We could probably bring him to Washington though, DEHog!!!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... n-sundays/
Jeff Fisher misses “competing on Sundays”
Posted by Josh Alper on January 16, 2019, 11:47 AM EST
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Jeff Fisher has not coached in the NFL since being fired by the Rams with three games left in the 2016 season and his name hasn’t been publicly mentioned in conjunction with any jobs, but he hasn’t given up hopes of coaching again.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:00 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
riggofan wrote:Jeff Fisher has not coached in the NFL since being fired by the Rams with three games left in the 2016 season and his name hasn’t been publicly mentioned in conjunction with any jobs, but he hasn’t given up hopes of coaching again.
Jeff Fisher didn't coach when he was standing on the sidelines. The man makes Jay Gruden look animated.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:38 am
by DEHog
Only 11 coaches have won more games in the NFL than Jeff Fisher...
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:14 am
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:Only 11 coaches have won more games in the NFL than Jeff Fisher...
lol. That is a highly misleading stat. Dude was a head coach for
22 years. His teams were above .500
SIX times. (Joe Gibbs was .500 in 11 of 16 seasons.)
The real stat there is probably that Jeff Fisher has been a head coach for more years than hardly anyone else.
I liked him a lot with the Titans btw. I just thought that Rams team was way too talented to do so poorly while he was coaching. I think McVay has helped them a lot, but that team is loaded with talent.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:17 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Only 11 coaches have won more games in the NFL than Jeff Fisher...
Yes but how many has he lost? Almost as many as he won. When you coach twenty-two years you are going to win some games. He made the playoffs six times in twenty-two years and he's 5-6 in playoff games. He got as far as the AFC Championship game once, in 1999. I just don't see teams beating down doors to hire a 60 year old head coach whose track record has been mediocrity.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:20 am
by DEHog
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:DEHog wrote:Only 11 coaches have won more games in the NFL than Jeff Fisher...
Yes but how many has he lost? Almost as many as he won. When you coach twenty-two years you are going to win some games. He made the playoffs six times in twenty-two years and he's 5-6 in playoff games. He got as far as the AFC Championship game once, in 1999. I just don't see teams beating down doors to hire a 60 year old head coach whose track record has been mediocrity.
You coach that long and are above .500 you can coach! Not many are above .500! Doesn't negate that the Skins missed on McVay.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:25 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:DEHog wrote:Only 11 coaches have won more games in the NFL than Jeff Fisher...
Yes but how many has he lost? Almost as many as he won. When you coach twenty-two years you are going to win some games. He made the playoffs six times in twenty-two years and he's 5-6 in playoff games. He got as far as the AFC Championship game once, in 1999. I just don't see teams beating down doors to hire a 60 year old head coach whose track record has been mediocrity.
You coach that long and are above .500 you can coach! Not many are above .500! Doesn't negate that the Skins missed on McVay.
The Skins were probably too busy seeing if Jim Zorn had any interest in coming back.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:18 pm
by DEHog
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
The Skins were probably too busy seeing if Jim Zorn had any interest in coming back.
IKR...bottom line is they have to get someone in Ashburn who can evaluate talent!
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:16 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
The Skins were probably too busy seeing if Jim Zorn had any interest in coming back.
IKR...bottom line is they have to get someone in Ashburn who can evaluate talent!
They had Morocco Brown and let him walk. They better hold onto Eric Schaffer and Kyle Smith because those two are about all the talent they have left in the front office.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:42 pm
by riggofan
https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2019/ ... tannehill/
While the Dolphins are set to move on Ryan Tannehill during the offseason, don’t be surprised if there’s a couple of teams interested in making a trade for the quarterback.
The Redskins are one of the teams that could be interested in obtaining Tannehill’s services provided they could work out a trade with the Dolphins. While it is speculation they would be interested in Tannehill, the Redskins are definitely in need of a quarterback.
According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, Redskins quarterback Alex Smith will likely miss the entire 2019 season after suffering a compound fracture in Week 11 of the season. With Smith’s playing future is serious doubt, the Redskins are expected to look for a quarterback either through the draft or free agency.
Would you give up a fourth or fifth round pick for Tannehill? He's under contract for one more year with a base salary of $19m so I'm not 100% sure how it would even be possible. But I honestly don't think the team will just try to tank it next year.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:35 pm
by SkinsJock
^^ No!
HOPEFULLY the Redskins keep all their draft picks - they're certainly not going to be competitive with these 2 bozos running things
AND
HOPEFULLY, after this season, Snyder 'sees the light' and brings in people to manage and run things
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:50 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:^^ No!
HOPEFULLY the Redskins keep all their draft picks - they're certainly not going to be competitive with these 2 bozos running things
Don't disagree but SOMEBODY has to play QB next year. I'd hate to see a situation again like this year with Colt, Sanchez, Johnson, etc; A 5th rounder wouldn't be the end of the world. Purely hypothetical btw, just saw that article and posting it here for discussion.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:07 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
riggofan wrote:Would you give up a fourth or fifth round pick for Tannehill? He's under contract for one more year with a base salary of $19m so I'm not 100% sure how it would even be possible. But I honestly don't think the team will just try to tank it next year.
No. I would just give up. This team with this owner and this general manager is the last place anyone in the NFL wants to work. The Redskins are a laughing stock. Players would rather play anywhere else. Coaches would rather coach anywhere else. And QB is not the only problem this team has, despite all the media idiots who insist that's the direction they're headed.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
by riggofan
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:No. I would just give up. This team with this owner and this general manager is the last place anyone in the NFL wants to work. The Redskins are a laughing stock. Players would rather play anywhere else. Coaches would rather coach anywhere else. And QB is not the only problem this team has, despite all the media idiots who insist that's the direction they're headed.
Yeah I know that's a popular opinion, but let's assume that the team is not going to purposely tank this year and they're going to make an honest effort to win. (Stop laughing, dammit, I'm serious here.) Given the current Alex Smith bind would you trade a 5th rounder for Tannehill as a short term fix?
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:29 pm
by DEHog
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:riggofan wrote:Would you give up a fourth or fifth round pick for Tannehill? He's under contract for one more year with a base salary of $19m so I'm not 100% sure how it would even be possible. But I honestly don't think the team will just try to tank it next year.
No. I would just give up. This team with this owner and this general manager is the last place anyone in the NFL wants to work. The Redskins are a laughing stock. Players would rather play anywhere else. Coaches would rather coach anywhere else. And QB is not the only problem this team has, despite all the media idiots who insist that's the direction they're headed.
I would rather see the money spent on accelerating Smith's contract next year than bring in a high price veteran!!
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:51 pm
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:I would rather see the money spent on accelerating Smith's contract next year than bring in a high price veteran!!
Yeah understand what you're saying on that part. I don't think the 5th rounder is too steep for a starting QB. Even for just a year. But I can't quite understand how they could afford his 2019 salary number.
Especially after we sign Kareem Hunt.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:55 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
riggofan wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:No. I would just give up. This team with this owner and this general manager is the last place anyone in the NFL wants to work. The Redskins are a laughing stock. Players would rather play anywhere else. Coaches would rather coach anywhere else. And QB is not the only problem this team has, despite all the media idiots who insist that's the direction they're headed.
Yeah I know that's a popular opinion, but let's assume that the team is not going to purposely tank this year and they're going to make an honest effort to win. (Stop laughing, dammit, I'm serious here.) Given the current Alex Smith bind would you trade a 5th rounder for Tannehill as a short term fix?
No, I would not, because the extra two or three games you might win as a result are not worth the price.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:25 pm
by riggofan
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:No, I would not, because the extra two or three games you might win as a result are not worth the price.
Fair argument. Our 5th round pick last year was Tim Settle. Looks like a decent player, definitely solid depth on the DL for a few years.
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:25 pm
by SkinsJock
I don't think we need to give up picks - someone will be here to back up McCoy and maybe even show he can be the starting QB
I think we'll see the Redskins FO make every effort to support the coaching staff in their effort to win as many games as possible
we're just not going anywhere until Snyder sees that his way is not working here
Re: Possible QB options for 2019?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:21 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
SkinsJock wrote:I don't think we need to give up picks - someone will be here to back up McCoy and maybe even show he can be the starting QB
I think we'll see the Redskins FO make every effort to support the coaching staff in their effort to win as many games as possible
we're just not going anywhere until Snyder sees that his way is not working here
Snyder doesn't give a flying *f$ck* if his way is working here. Did you not hear his comments on how he enjoys the fact the fans hate Bruce Allen? Dan Snyder doesn't give one rat's ass about being a winning organization or even a respectable organization. That's why the stadium is empty. There isn't one redeeming quality about this *f$ck* ass owning this franchise.