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Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:32 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:Please give us a reason to think that this franchise can extract itself from the image of failure that we have owned under Dan Snyder's guidance as owner of this franchise - what makes you think they can "assemble a team of good football players"?
Because I'm 100% certain our roster today is better than it was when Shanahan left. Damn just look at the 2013 starting lineups.
QB Robert Griffin
RB Alfred Morris*
WR Pierre Garcon -
TE Logan Paulsen
LT Trent Williams*
LG Kory Lichtensteiger
C Will Montgomery
RG Chris Chester
RT Tyler Polumbus
DE Stephen Bowen
DE Kedric Golston
NT Barry Cofield
LOLB Ryan Kerrigan
MLB London Fletcher
ROLB Brian Orakpo*
LB Perry Riley
LCB DeAngelo Hall
CB David Amerson
RCB Josh Wilson
SS Reed Doughty
FS Brandon Meriweather
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:31 pm
by SkinsJock
Dan Snyder has proved that having a good/great roster means nothing ... are you implying that by assembling a good team of football players to start this season, this owner is going to have a better product on the field when he's never been able to do that in the past. We used to always win the off season title for adding free agents and incredible draft picks (the few draft picks we had) and the product on the field did not play to expectations - recently we have not been as aggressive in winning the off season award and we are an 8 win team - based on this roster being better than last season, are you more confident, now that Dan Snyder is back in charge, that the product on the field will be better or not as good? ... Dan Snyder has had good/great teams before the season began, many times, and look at where that got us
it's possible that last season's team did not play as well as they could have because of Dan Snyder
fans who complain about Dan Snyder are not whiners - whiners are those fans that think that the issues here are not caused by Dan Snyder
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:44 pm
by DarthMonk
oj wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:oj wrote:I heard of a $38 million dollar fine going against our cap space, something to do with the RG3 deal. Any truth to this?
Where did you hear this? I haven't heard it anywhere. It sounds like complete nonsense. It would literally be impossible for the team to cut $38 million in cap space from this roster. Everyone with any kind of salary cap figure except Cousins is signed beyond 2017, meaning there would be dead cap.
It was one of them things that came up in a conversation, I got the impression they were paying it down. A few other things came up that commanded my attention and I didn't get back to the fine.
Our cap was lowered for 2 years.
They effed us the day before free agency opened.
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:55 pm
by SkinsJock
OK - the franchise might have a great group of players and coaches ... and we'll find out if it's going to amount to anything to get excited about in the fall - "they will or they won't"
FACT is based on what we've seen from this owner, over almost 20 years, it's more likely to be another season of unfulfilled expectations
that's all I'm pointing to - due to this owner, this franchise has been the laughingstock of the NFL
you say - "look at what we did last season ... what a great offense ... " and I say "we could have done better with a better owner"
I get it - he's here and he's not going away - screw him, he deserves to be put in his place for what he's done and continues to do here
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:24 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DarthMonk wrote:Our cap was lowered for 2 years.
They effed us the day before free agency opened.
That was back in 2012. Why are we talking about this now?
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:12 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder has proved that having a good/great roster means nothing ... are you implying that by assembling a good team of football players to start this season, this owner is going to have a better product on the field when he's never been able to do that in the past.
I'm not "implying" anything. If you have a good team of players and a good coaching staff, what the f*** does the owner have to do with it? Jerry Jones is a terrible owner and an even worse human being. The Cowpukes weren't 13-3 last year because of his amazing ownership skills.
If you want to spend the year whining about Dan Snyder, feel free. There are more interesting things to follow than that turd.
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:12 pm
by SkinsJock
The Redskins lack of success under Dan Snyder will continue no matter how good the roster is
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:57 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:The Redskins lack of success under Dan Snyder will continue no matter how good the roster is
Given your history of making pronouncements like this, I like their odds then.
"RG3 will be a top NFL QB"
"Kirk Cousins can't stop throwing interceptions"
"The Redskins front office is doing things differently now"
"Scot McCloughan doesn't want to sign Cousins to a long term deal"
"Love the job Mike is doing with Bruce and love him as the HC of the Washington Redskins " (Sun Oct 16 2011)
You're like the Sean Spicer of this website.
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:56 pm
by SkinsJock
it's not really a pronouncement per se - that's what you typically do - You can call it what you like, it's just an observation ...
maybe you think that Dan deserves some credit for what we've seen recently, I'm just more than a little skeptical ...
btw - did you catch this piece yet? this should make you feel really confidant about getting Cousins signed to a long term deal ...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redsk ... k-cousins/
A really smart lawyer once said that “all contracts are negotiable,” and he wasn’t wrong. But the Washington Redskins have a limited amount of negotiation to do when it comes to Kirk Cousins and, yet, they don’t seem to really grasp it.
That’s because, according to a report from both Mike Jones and Master Tesfatsion of the Washington Post, the Redskins haven’t extended a new offer to Cousins recently, sticking with the same contract they offered him back in February before they applied the franchise tag.
This comes on the heels of The MMQB’s Albert Breer reporting that the Redskins had offered Cousins a five-year extension on top of the current franchise tag he’s set to play under. So in totality it would be a six-year deal, with average annual salary and amount guaranteed not yet known.
In fact, Redskins president Bruce Allen told Breer that the team sees Cousins as a franchise quarterback and has “offered him a contract” commensurate with that designation.
“Well, since we’ve offered him a contract around that length, I’d say yes we do,” Allen said. “He has gotten better the last three years, and we see him getting better in the future, and that’s why we do want to sign him long-term. We like his role as our quarterback and our leader, we just have to work that out.
“We talked last year, we didn’t get it done long-term. We have him signed for this year, and an option for next year. But our goal is to get a long-term deal.”
The “option” for 2018 is not a great one, because it would ultimately be a one-year, roughly $34.5 million fully guaranteed contract, a 44 percent raise from his 2017 franchise tag. Even if the Redskins used the transition tag in 2018, they would still have handed Cousins more than $70 million in guaranteed money over three years with no long-term opportunity to keep him.
And that’s the problem with the negotiations that are going on. The Redskins have to offer Cousins a deal that, at bare minimum, features $53 million in guaranteed money, because that’s how much Cousins will make from them over the next two years if he refuses to sign a contract and just plays out the string.
Put another way: Kirk Cousins has all of the leverage here and the Redskins have none of it. This has been obvious for months, if not longer -- our own Joel Corry detailed back in December exactly why Cousins was set to become the highest-paid player in the NFL . CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora reported another tag was coming in November.
Think about this: Eli Manning had $54 million in his new contract guaranteed at signing. Andrew Luck and Joe Flacco are next up at $44 million. Cousins has almost equaled Eli’s guarantee without an actual contract. If he signs a long-term deal in Washington -- and there are reports that he’s hesitant to do so -- he is absolutely going to maximize the amount of guaranteed money that the Redskins give him. They can’t even think about offering a deal that features anything less than $60 million guaranteed, and the number might need to be higher.
Why would Cousins take two years’ worth of guaranteed money, which he’s already getting regardless, and tack on a couple of free years for the Redskins just because they asked for them? He won’t.
The two sides appear to be remarkably far apart, and the Redskins don’t appear to understand where they sit in these negotiations.
these guys might make riggofan feel there's a chance we'll see a better product on the field - NOT ME
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:28 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:these guys might make riggofan feel there's a chance we'll see a better product on the field - NOT ME
I have
no expectations for what we'll see on the field this fall. I'm just not slitting my wrists yet because Scot McCloughan has left the building. I'm not one of those people who believes our offensive performance the past two years was a result of McCloughan's great offensive scheme.
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:41 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote: I have no expectations for what we'll see on the field this fall. I'm not one of those people who believes our offensive performance the past two years was a result of McCloughan's great offensive scheme.
OK - what makes you think that Dan Snyder can fix the defensive issues while not having too much of a drop off on the offensive side?
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:20 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:riggofan wrote: I have no expectations for what we'll see on the field this fall. I'm not one of those people who believes our offensive performance the past two years was a result of McCloughan's great offensive scheme.
OK - what makes you think that Dan Snyder can fix the defensive issues while not having too much of a drop off on the offensive side?
I don't think that Dan Snyder can fix anything. Why would anyone expect an NFL owner to fix a defense?
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:56 am
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:riggofan wrote: I have no expectations for what we'll see on the field this fall. I'm not one of those people who believes our offensive performance the past two years was a result of McCloughan's great offensive scheme.
OK - what makes you think that Dan Snyder can fix the defensive issues while not having too much of a drop off on the offensive side?
I don't think that Dan Snyder can fix anything. Why would anyone expect an NFL owner to fix a defense?
Dan Snyder's not a coach - actually Dan Snyder doesn't have a clue about coaching or playing in the NFL
The point is that Dan Snyder has no NFL management skills and while having great coaches and players is a great help, having the right players and coaches is even more important and that starts at the top.
This franchise has just had 2 years of really good offense and we still haven't signed the main reason for that to a long term deal
Everyone thinks that Kirk Cousins has done everything he needs to and deserves a long term deal - while some can say that there's still time, what the hell is the point in waiting? What is to be gained from that?
I know that you are not "defending" Dan Snyder - after all that we've been through, where has there been any indication that he deserves any leeway at all with regards to how he treats people that work for this franchise and where has he shown that he has the ability to properly manage an NFL franchise?
Dan does not coach, but he does hire the people that coach & play here - if he doesn't have a clue about those people, why does he deserve the benefit of any sort of credence whatsoever - this guy is a slime bucket, he deserves to be labeled one of the worst owners in all sports
I guess it's like having a stupid and dumb President like Trump - It doesn't matter because he has great people under him .... really?
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:21 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder has proved that having a good/great roster means nothing ... are you implying that by assembling a good team of football players to start this season, this owner is going to have a better product on the field when he's never been able to do that in the past.
I'm not "implying" anything. If you have a good team of players and a good coaching staff, what the f*** does the owner have to do with it? Jerry Jones is a terrible owner and an even worse human being. The Cowpukes weren't 13-3 last year because of his amazing ownership skills.
bingo ... that's my point
Jerry Jones is a terrible owner but he's a lot better owner than the idiot we've got.
Jerry Jones has some knowledge about the NFL and being an NFL owner - Dan Snyder has none
having a great group of players and great coaches would not make a lot of difference if the players are not brought in because of how they make the other players better - this is a team game - getting the best player at a position is not necessarily the best for the team
if Dan Snyder does not have anything to do with the lack of success here under his guidance, who does?
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:37 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:Jerry Jones has some knowledge about the NFL and being an NFL owner - Dan Snyder has none
Of course he does. Why write such a stupid thing? We all know he's been an NFL owner for what? 20 years?
I would even argue that he's improved during that time. I'll give you three examples:
1) Compare our sane free agency this year to the stupid "Let's sign Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and every over the hill player we can find to insane contracts" of the past.
2) Extending Gruden. Gruden may not end up being the coach we needed, but ending the new coach every year carousel and showing some patience is a legit, non-Snyder move.
3) Allen/Gruden and the current Redskins roster are 1000x better than Cerrato/Spurrier and the Redskins of 15 years ago.
He still sucks, but I guess he's shown the ability to suck less than he used to.
And you know what man? I seriously hate you for making me defend that dirtbag.
Re: Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:26 pm
by SkinsJock
I'll agree that Dan has made some progress but until he makes it clear that he is not involved or influencing who coaches and plays here, I will not be confident of seeing much on the field
I'm not a big Jay Gruden fan either but while Snyder is managing things, it really does not make that much difference - I'm kind of glad that he's here because we could not get a better HC with what's happened here recently - who would want this job?