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Gotta trade up around 6-10 slots to get a good defensive player. You miss out on one in the 1st then you definitely getting a C grade defensive player in the 2nd most likely. Running backs are deep in this draft and you can get them anytime. McCaffrey won't help you take it to the next level, I'd rather go OG Forest Lamp if you go offense. You take a look at your small backs of recent and only Chris Johnson have had an impact and a very short one at that. I'd trade up and get a starter in Johnathan Allen or Hassan Reddick and you can have these guys on your roster for the next 8-10 years. With any of these rb's you will be lucky you get 4 good 1200 yards seasons out of them before they bounce or deteriorate.

Reuben Foster apparently failed a drug test during the combine. The test results were dilute.
Now we know why some experts were projecting He'd slide.

HEROHAMO wrote:Reuben Foster apparently failed a drug test during the combine. The test results were dilute.
Now we know why some experts were projecting He'd slide.

There are reports that many teams are/were aware, and don't care. I don't know if he'll slide.

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Reuben Foster apparently failed a drug test during the combine. The test results were dilute.
Now we know why some experts were projecting He'd slide.

There are reports that many teams are/were aware, and don't care. I don't know if he'll slide.

I think the Bengals have a history of drafting players who have had some concern attached to them.

My hope is that the concern is enough for him to make it to #17.
I can't see Reuben making it past the Bengals. Even if he did the Colts and Ravens probably could use him as well.
Crossing fingers because Reuben Foster is the type of player who could turn this defense around.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Reuben Foster apparently failed a drug test during the combine. The test results were dilute.
Now we know why some experts were projecting He'd slide.

There are reports that many teams are/were aware, and don't care. I don't know if he'll slide.

I think the Bengals have a history of drafting players who have had some concern attached to them.

My hope is that the concern is enough for him to make it to #17.
I can't see Reuben making it past the Bengals. Even if he did the Colts and Ravens probably could use him as well.
Crossing fingers because Reuben Foster is the type of player who could turn this defense around.

ditto.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Reuben Foster apparently failed a drug test during the combine. The test results were dilute. Now we know why some experts were projecting he'd slide.

There are reports that many teams are/were aware, and don't care. I don't know if he'll slide.

I think the Bengals have a history of drafting players who have had some concern attached to them. My hope is that the concern is enough for him to make it to #17.
I can't see Reuben making it past the Bengals. Even if he did the Colts and Ravens probably could use him as well.
Crossing fingers because Reuben Foster is the type of player who could turn this defense around.

the guys in charge of the draft for the Redskins are not at all afraid to make a deal to trade up

if the Redskins want Foster, or any player, other than Myles Garrett who is going to the Browns, Dan & Bruce will figure out how to do it ..

They are especially good at trading up to get the #2 pick

Messed around with five rounds last night. One trade down in the fourth round to pick up an extra 5th rounder. I would actually be surprised to see the team take DL with #17, but this board was weird. I'd be happy to see the team end up with McDowell/Wormley in the first two rounds though personally.

Two guesses from me after messing around with drafts lately:
1) I really think we'll see the team trade down a bit from 17. I know there are a lot of factors to go into it, but maybe another first round swap with the Texans. Back to 25.
2) QB this draft. Just the way this Cousins thing has been playing out. No movement. Lots of rumors. And not much talk about QB out of the Redskins camp. I'm saying Nathan Peterman in the 3d round. Seem crazy to you guys?

These mock drafts don't mean much but I enjoy reading about the kids coming out, getting some idea of players I'd like to see with the team next year.

1: R1P17
DL MALIK MCDOWELL
MICHIGAN STATE
2: R2P17
DL CHRIS WORMLEY
MICHIGAN
3: R3P17
QB NATHAN PETERMAN
PITTSBURGH
4: R4P7
WR AMARA DARBOH
MICHIGAN
5: R4P36
LB RYAN ANDERSON
ALABAMA
6: R5P10
S RAYSHAWN JENKINS
MIAMI (FL)
7: R5P17
C TYLER ORLOSKY
WEST VIRGINIA

Optimum Scouting guy:

17. Washington Redskins – Jabrill Peppers, SAF, Michigan
Washington could consider Dalvin Cook as well. But Peppers is the unique playmaker Jay Gruden, Bruce Allen, and owner Dan Snyder can agree on.

http://thecomeback.com/nfl/2017-mock-dr ... ffrey.html

Doug Farrar/Bleacher Report:

17. Washington: Malik McDowell, DL, Michigan State
17 of 32

The loss of free agent Chris Baker to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers could be a big hit to the Washington defense, as Baker was one of the team's most productive defensive lineman and a real asset to its hybrid front with his ability to play end and tackle. Getting Terrell McClain and Stacy McGee to replace Baker seems like a bit of a spackle job, and now, a front that needs interior pressure is without it. Malik McDowell would be a perfect solution and provide a major upgrade to even Baker's efforts over time.

There's been a lot of talk about McDowell's motor issues, but it's a bit overblown. Yes, there were times when he negated his own efforts with bad technique (primarily by coming off the snap too high), and he'll need a wider array of pass-rush moves, but at 6'6" and 295 pounds, the amount of stuff McDowell can already do is astonishing. In the years I've evaluated collegiate defensive linemen, I've seen three who can win consistently from every gap: South Carolina's Melvin Ingram, Florida's Dominique Easley and McDowell. Watch him on tape, and it's clear he's a prime disruptor from 1-tech nose tackle to 4-man defensive end. And in time, his play could be even better—he has the potential to be the best defensive player in this draft class.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704 ... redictions

I don't know. Like I said, I'd be happy to see this pick, but I've seen him as the guy so often in mock drafts, it makes me think it the unlikeliest.

Redskins' director of college scouting says the team is going to stick with a BPA philosophy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... story.html

Irn-Bru wrote:Redskins' director of college scouting says the team is going to stick with a BPA philosophy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... story.html

Its such a goofy debate anymore. I don't know why its so hard for fans to grasp. With the possible exception of QB, teams always have needs at basically every position. You may not perceive "need" at a position this year, but you're almost certainly going to have a need there in the next two to four. Free agency, injury, etc; etc;

We didn't really need Josh Docston when we drafted him last year. We sure as hell need him this year!

That was a decent interview with Scott Campbell btw. I liked hearing from him on the draft much more than more Bruce.

riggofan wrote:Messed around with five rounds last night. One trade down in the fourth round to pick up an extra 5th rounder. I would actually be surprised to see the team take DL with #17, but this board was weird. I'd be happy to see the team end up with McDowell/Wormley in the first two rounds though personally.

Two guesses from me after messing around with drafts lately:
1) I really think we'll see the team trade down a bit from 17. I know there are a lot of factors to go into it, but maybe another first round swap with the Texans. Back to 25.
2) QB this draft. Just the way this Cousins thing has been playing out. No movement. Lots of rumors. And not much talk about QB out of the Redskins camp. I'm saying Nathan Peterman in the 3d round. Seem crazy to you guys?

These mock drafts don't mean much but I enjoy reading about the kids coming out, getting some idea of players I'd like to see with the team next year.

1: R1P17
DL MALIK MCDOWELL
MICHIGAN STATE
2: R2P17
DL CHRIS WORMLEY
MICHIGAN
3: R3P17
QB NATHAN PETERMAN
PITTSBURGH
4: R4P7
WR AMARA DARBOH
MICHIGAN
5: R4P36
LB RYAN ANDERSON
ALABAMA
6: R5P10
S RAYSHAWN JENKINS
MIAMI (FL)
7: R5P17
C TYLER ORLOSKY
WEST VIRGINIA

Intereting read. I love the draft, always have. I believe Peter King also had us trading down with the Texans and picking up ans extra 2nd rounder. I'd be more than ok with that. It would be nice to see us maybe get that Forrest Lamp kid and plug him at LG. Our O-line would be potentially top 3-5 next year. I'd like to see Wormley in the 2nd round as well. He'd fit nicely on the D-line. If we grab a RB anywhere along the line, I'd love for it to be D'onta Foreman from Texas. I think teams are underrating him. Also, if we go QB in the 3rd, I'd love the kid from Tenn, Josh Dobbs. I do not like Peterman at all.

PAPDOG67 wrote:If we grab a RB anywhere along the line, I'd love for it to be D'onta Foreman from Texas. I think teams are underrating him. Also, if we go QB in the 3rd, I'd love the kid from Tenn, Josh Dobbs. I do not like Peterman at all.

Yeah man, I won't even pretend to know how to evaluate these guys. I've been interested in what I've read about Peterman. Coming from a pro style offense and draws comparisons to Cousins.

Funny about the RBs. Given all of the glaring needs on the team, I haven't been that interested in running backs, but the closer we get to the draft the more I am. The one thing I keep thinking about is how prolific the offense has been the past two years with such a weak running game. I've said this before. Probably wouldn't be my first choice, but if the team sees a back they think can really help them, I would be excited to see it.

Come on, its almost Thursday! Aren't you guys a little bit excited for the draft yet???

listening to Miller and Kirwan on NFL radio the word is that there are many teams looking to trade down - a lot more than usual and most of these teams are not competitive and need a lot of help

also, the Redskins are hoping to trade up and if not will look to trade down sounds like they really have a good plan with 2 days to go

SkinsJock wrote:lalso, the Redskins are hoping to trade up and if not will look to trade down sounds like they really have a good plan with 2 days to go

So the team is open to trading up or trading down. This is a problem because... ?

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:the Redskins are hoping to trade up and if not will look to trade down sounds like they really have a good plan with 2 days to go

So the team is open to trading up or trading down. This is a problem because... ?

it's not a "problem" at all - sounds like what we'd all expect from these 2 bozos - they don't really have a plan ...

that's not a "problem" - that's just reality

there's one thing for sure - these 2 bozos are not looking to draft the best player available or based on whatever needs we may have - these 2 will take the player that offers the most positive impact, to the fans and the media

can't wait

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:lalso, the Redskins are hoping to trade up and if not will look to trade down sounds like they really have a good plan with 2 days to go

So the team is open to trading up or trading down. This is a problem because... ?

The usual smoke and mirrors BS. Very few teams trade in the 1st round. Especially when the talent isn't much different from #2 through #20.

riggofan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Redskins' director of college scouting says the team is going to stick with a BPA philosophy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... story.html

Its such a goofy debate anymore. I don't know why its so hard for fans to grasp. With the possible exception of QB, teams always have needs at basically every position. You may not perceive "need" at a position this year, but you're almost certainly going to have a need there in the next two to four. Free agency, injury, etc; etc;

We didn't really need Josh Docston when we drafted him last year. We sure as hell need him this year!

That was a decent interview with Scott Campbell btw. I liked hearing from him on the draft much more than more Bruce.

Last year's defense is why you need to pay attention to need.

The offense was the same before and after last year's draft.

Had they invested in a couple defenders maybe signed a free agent or two that might of made the difference.
The team missed the playoffs by one game.

Campbell has been part of the scouting staff for 16 years. What has he done in that time?


If I showed you the stats on how many draft picks the Redskins had and how many starters came of it you'd probably be mad. Because it's not good.
It's amongst the league's worst.

I hope they get it right but who knows.

There is plenty of talent to adress need. Most experts our front office not being experts agree this draft is full of defensive talent.
It only makes sense to load up on Defensive players.

Here is a link to an article about Bill Bellichick.
How he has drafted for need.
If a certain player who fits his system might be available in a lower pick they trade down.
But Bill drafts mostly players who fit his system. He has rarely drafted in the first round.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -selection

HEROHAMO wrote:The offense was the same before and after last year's draft.

Had they invested in a couple defenders maybe signed a free agent or two that might of made the difference.
The team missed the playoffs by one game.

Campbell has been part of the scouting staff for 16 years. What has he done in that time?

Kind of making some conclusions that aren't necessarily there.

I would like to have seen the team draft D last year in the first round, but taking a look at some of the guys the "draft experts" were predicting for us: Ragland, A'Shawn Robinson, Chris Jones, etc; its kind of a big leap to assume any of them would have made a huge impact LAST year. They definitely didn't for the teams that did dradt them. (Which is not to say I wouldn't be happy to have any of those players now.)

Docston will be interesting to watch this year. If he develops into a legit player, people will be talking about the brilliance of that BPA pick. If he's a bust, its the dumbest pick ever.

Re: Scott Campbell, my only point was that I much prefer to hear from him than Bruce. I honestly don't get what Bruce Allen's role is in the draft. I mean, if he's the final OK or the final vote to settle disagreements, I guess that's ok. But otherwise I don't quite understand why he should be picking players or setting the draft board.

Campbell hasn't just been part of the scouting staff btw. For a long time, he was responsible for both pro and college personnel which was a big mistake, and something that McCloughan changed. If you want to know what's done in the past three years, HE was the guy who scouted and drafted Jamison Crowder by most accounts.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:lalso, the Redskins are hoping to trade up and if not will look to trade down sounds like they really have a good plan with 2 days to go

So the team is open to trading up or trading down. This is a problem because... ?

The usual smoke and mirrors BS. Very few teams trade in the 1st round. Especially when the talent isn't much different from #2 through #20.

Yeah? There were 12 trades in the first round of the draft last year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_Draft

Very few? That was nearly 40% of the first round.

riggofan wrote:Yeah? There were 12 trades in the first round of the draft last year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_Draft

Very few? That was nearly 40% of the first round.

There was a lot more talent in the 1st round of last year's draft according to the "experts."

There were only four or five 1st round trades in 2015.

Also, you counted every trade twice. A trade between two teams is still only one trade.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:Yeah? There were 12 trades in the first round of the draft last year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_Draft

Very few? That was nearly 40% of the first round.

There was a lot more talent in the 1st round of last year's draft according to the "experts."

There were only four or five 1st round trades in 2015.

Also, you counted every trade twice. A trade between two teams is still only one trade.

hah! Good point, man!

Man I like Lake Lewis' mock today in USA Today for the Skins:

1. Round 1 (17th overall): Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama

2. Round 2 (49th overall): Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan

3. Round 3 (81st overall): Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn

4. Round 4 (114th overall) via Jets: Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma

5. Round 4 (124th overall): Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson

6. Round 5 (154th overall) via Saints: Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU

7. Round 6 (201st overall): Damien Mama, OG, USC

8. Round 6 (209th overall) via Texans: Bryan Cox, DE, Florida

9. Round 7 (220th overall) via 49ers: Montae Nicholson, SS, Michigan State

10. Round 7 (235th overall): David Jones, FS, Richmond

The back end is interesting but I'd be happy with those first three rounds.