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What are we up to now...6/7/ interviewed? Makes me wonder if we are looking at someone on one of the final four teams? Raheem Morris?

The question is why could we be waiting. Few ideas. 1) We are waiting for Gus Bradley to make a decision. 2) we are trying to work out a trade package for Paul Guenther. 3) we are waiting to interview one of the coaches from the final four teams.

So if #3 is the answer, I'm hoping Brian Flores from the Patriots would be considered. The guy has been a defensive assistant, Safeties coach for 3 years and a linebackers coach this year in the Patriots system. He will replace Mike Patricia once he's plucked for a head coaching gig. If the Patriots allow us to interview him, which is a big if, I'd say let's beat them to an up and comer.

DarthMonk wrote:Kind of wondering why we have not made Pettine an offer he can't refuse.

Because he can refuse any offer. It's the '17 Skins, man, not the '85 Bears.

chiefhog44 wrote:The question is why could we be waiting. Few ideas. 1) We are waiting for Gus Bradley to make a decision. 2) we are trying to work out a trade package for Paul Guenther. 3) we are waiting to interview one of the coaches from the final four teams.

So if #3 is the answer, I'm hoping Brian Flores from the Patriots would be considered. The guy has been a defensive assistant, Safeties coach for 3 years and a linebackers coach this year in the Patriots system. He will replace Mike Patricia once he's plucked for a head coaching gig. If the Patriots allow us to interview him, which is a big if, I'd say let's beat them to an up and comer.

They can only deny in a lateral move, not for a job upgrade.

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:The question is why could we be waiting. Few ideas. 1) We are waiting for Gus Bradley to make a decision. 2) we are trying to work out a trade package for Paul Guenther. 3) we are waiting to interview one of the coaches from the final four teams.

So if #3 is the answer, I'm hoping Brian Flores from the Patriots would be considered. The guy has been a defensive assistant, Safeties coach for 3 years and a linebackers coach this year in the Patriots system. He will replace Mike Patricia once he's plucked for a head coaching gig. If the Patriots allow us to interview him, which is a big if, I'd say let's beat them to an up and comer.

They can only deny in a lateral move, not for a job upgrade.

Actually they can block any request unless it is for a head coaching position. Example is the Dolphins blocking Chris Foerster from interviewing with the Rams for OC

chiefhog44 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:The question is why could we be waiting. Few ideas. 1) We are waiting for Gus Bradley to make a decision. 2) we are trying to work out a trade package for Paul Guenther. 3) we are waiting to interview one of the coaches from the final four teams.

So if #3 is the answer, I'm hoping Brian Flores from the Patriots would be considered. The guy has been a defensive assistant, Safeties coach for 3 years and a linebackers coach this year in the Patriots system. He will replace Mike Patricia once he's plucked for a head coaching gig. If the Patriots allow us to interview him, which is a big if, I'd say let's beat them to an up and comer.

They can only deny in a lateral move, not for a job upgrade.

Actually they can block any request unless it is for a head coaching position. Example is the Dolphins blocking Chris Foerster from interviewing with the Rams for OC

You're right. I just looked it up. I thought the lateral move thing was true for all coaching spots, not just HC. Do coaches have a union. Seems like they might want to bring that up in their next CBA.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Kind of wondering why we have not made Pettine an offer he can't refuse.

Because he can refuse any offer. It's the '17 Skins, man, not the '85 Bears.

Did I really need to put CAN'T REFUSE in quotes?



I'm thinking ...

Why would he interview if he weren't interested?

He is so freaking excellent so make the freaking offer.


So the only reasons I'm coming up with are ...

We didn't make an offer ( )

We low-balled him ( )


I'm thinking Jay is too involved.

DarthMonk wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Kind of wondering why we have not made Pettine an offer he can't refuse.

Because he can refuse any offer. It's the '17 Skins, man, not the '85 Bears.

Did I really need to put CAN'T REFUSE in quotes?



I'm thinking ...

Why would he interview if he weren't interested?

He is so freaking excellent so make the freaking offer.


So the only reasons I'm coming up with are ...

We didn't make an offer ( )

We low-balled him ( )


I'm thinking Jay is too involved.

I knew what you meant. I think someone in the front office left the gun and took the cannoli.

Bradley to the Chargers!

DEHog wrote:Bradley to the Chargers!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foot ... db89e65034

DEHog wrote:Bradley to the Chargers!

Manusky to the Redskins, since he'll be the only option left when they stop playing *f$ck* around and offer someone the job.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:Bradley to the Chargers!

Manusky to the Redskins, since he'll be the only option ...

not that that's a bad choice at all ... The known list of DC interviewees for the Redskins is as follows:
John Pagano
Mike Pettine
Gus Bradley
Rob Ryan
Greg Manusky
Jason Tarver
Dennis Thurman

apart from Gus Bradley, all are currently available ...

I wonder who is making the decision? Gruden will have input but is it Scotts' decision or does Gruden have the final say on coaching decisions?

Redskins have promoted OLB coach Greg Manusky to D.C. two sources confirm. First reported by NFL network.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Redskins have promoted OLB coach Greg Manusky to D.C. two sources confirm. First reported by NFL network.

Looks like we winners still don't want to come here. Our coaches leave for greener pastures and we can't replace them, so we promote mediocre replacements from within. It doesn't look good.

Promoting from within can work for a successful unit. I'm less inclined to think it works for units like our D

Hooligan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Redskins have promoted OLB coach Greg Manusky to D.C. two sources confirm. First reported by NFL network.

Looks like we winners still don't want to come here. Our coaches leave for greener pastures and we can't replace them, so we promote mediocre replacements from within. It doesn't look good.

It could be worse. Manusky is respected, has actually played defense for the Skins, and will probably go back to a 4-3.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... usky-as-dc

I'm kind of disappointed. I wanted Bradley, but we were slow on the punch. I don't know how this will drastically improve the defensive coaching. Hopefully there are better players for him to have, when probably using the similar schemes to Berry. We are staying 3-4. Yes I know we played 4-3 with nickle more than 3-4, but still. I do think this will help Su'a though!

With Gruden making the decision. I think he didn't want to hire a threat to take his HC position. And Bradley wants to be a HC.

EA7649 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000777317/article/redskins-promoting-greg-manusky-as-dc
I'm kind of disappointed. I wanted Bradley, but we were slow on the punch. I don't know how this will drastically improve the defensive coaching. Hopefully there are better players for him to have, when probably using the similar schemes to Berry. We are staying 3-4.
With Gruden making the decision. I think he didn't want to hire a threat to take his HC position. And Bradley wants to be a HC.

If that's true, then Jay Gruden should not be the HC

SkinsJock wrote:

EA7649 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... usky-as-dc
I'm kind of disappointed. I wanted Bradley, but we were slow on the punch. I don't know how this will drastically improve the defensive coaching. Hopefully there are better players for him to have, when probably using the similar schemes to Berry. We are staying 3-4.
With Gruden making the decision. I think he didn't want to hire a threat to take his HC position. And Bradley wants to be a HC.

If that's true, then Jay Gruden should not be the HC

I believe I heard it on csnmidatlantic that Jay will make the decision, but the front office will also help decide. When McVay went to the Rams I felt his replacement wasn't going to be a threat to take his job (Like McVay was). I wasn't sure what he was going to do with DC though. But clearly he's doing the same thing. Not a threat. Also we have to remember the defense is rebuilding and is unstable, so its not that attractive.

I just looked real quick online and found this website that kind of says that Jay will make the decision. http://pilotonline.com/sports/football/ ... 77940.html

No matter who Gruden chooses, the Redskins need to add talent to the defense. There are giant holes at linebacker, defensive line and safety. But the coordinator Gruden chooses needs to get the most out of the talent GM Scot McCloughan assembles.

I'll hold judgement for now... but consider... Manusky broke into the NFL as a player under the tutelage of Richie Pettibone, just like Todd Bowles... Not a bad start.

DEHog wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:I would imagine that a new DC would want a head coach that has a contract lasting more than this year. I think a QB signing a long term deal would want the same. Both lead me to believe Gruden will be extended soon.

This is the reason I think the Skins would look at Manusky.

Kinda thought we were heaed this way...

Countertrey wrote:I'll hold judgement for now... but consider... Manusky broke into the NFL as a player under the tutelage of Richie Pettibone, just like Todd Bowles... Not a bad start.

+! - can we now get Russ Grimm?

EA7649 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000777317/article/redskins-promoting-greg-manusky-as-dc

I'm kind of disappointed. I wanted Bradley, but we were slow on the punch. I don't know how this will drastically improve the defensive coaching. Hopefully there are better players for him to have, when probably using the similar schemes to Berry. We are staying 3-4. Yes I know we played 4-3 with nickle more than 3-4, but still. I do think this will help Su'a though!

With Gruden making the decision. I think he didn't want to hire a threat to take his HC position. And Bradley wants to be a HC.

I don't think we missed on Bradley because we were "slow on the punch" --- I actually think he was our #1 choice but he didn't want to come to DC (like Wade). And honestly, I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to come here as we have one of the 2 worst owners in all the NFL.

I agree that I think Gruden doesn't want to hire someone that would threaten his position as HC (which is why Wade was a perfect fit) --- however, I don't think that's the reason Bradley didn't come because: (1) Gruden has a relationship with Bradley AND (2) a good DEF and signing Cousins would basically guarantee Gruden's job as long as those 2 things lasted.

There is a growing trend of DCs that don't want our DC job --- and that is because, IMHO, of the talent we have defensively. Wade (the person I was VERY disappointed we didn't get) said as much and Bradley basically said that through his actions. And I can guarantee you we didn't "lowball" Bradley (I recall reading that from another poster as a possibility). Historically, we have offered coaches VERY VERY VERY competitive salaries. I wouldn't have been surprised if our offer was make Bradley the highest paid DC in the game.

It baffles me that Gruden isn't approaching/selling the DC hire similarly to how McVay did it ---- by saying that "as DC, you will be in total control of the defensive side of the ball; I will take care of offense and special teams and we will work together in determining ST personnel". Then again, I'm not sure that would even help as our personnel is the problem.

chiefhog44 wrote:I would imagine that a new DC would want a head coach that has a contract lasting more than this year. I think a QB signing a long term deal would want the same. Both lead me to believe Gruden will be extended soon.

Not to pat myself on the back, but, I figured a contract extension was needed to get a long term commitment for Cousins. It's also needed if we end up trading him away.