Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I don't want to give another stiff three years.
I don't either. That's why I'm going to trust GMSM and Gruden.
It's being reported he will sign the franchise tender tomorrow, so he'll be in OTA's and training camp. Now it's all on Scot McGloughan to come up with a deal he can stomach and Bruce Allen to come up with one we can stomach. Not that Cousins has to take one. He could have enough confidence in his game to negotiate at the end of the season if he thinks he will be worth even more next year.
this could be fun
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I don't want to give another stiff three years.
I don't either. That's why I'm going to trust GMSM and Gruden.
It's being reported he will sign the franchise tender tomorrow, so he'll be in OTA's and training camp. Now it's all on Scot McGloughan to come up with a deal he can stomach and Bruce Allen to come up with one we can stomach.
Right you are.
Seems like this whole process has played out amicably, and I thought it was really smart that Cousins signed the tender right away without talking to other teams.
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riggofan wrote:Seems like this whole process has played out amicably, and I thought it was really smart that Cousins signed the tender right away without talking to other teams.
As much as I want the team to err on the side of caution here, I also recognize Kirk Cousins really wants to be the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins for a long time.
If Cousins were negotiating the deal himself he'd cut off his nose to spite his face to play for this team for the next decade. That's why they have agents.
I really hope Cousins proves he is worth more than Sam Bradford but it's easy to understand why a fan might be, shall we say, gunshy, from Redskins history of signing not only quarterbacks, but also players in general to huge contracts only to have them bite the team in the ass for years.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
riggofan wrote:Seems like this whole process has played out amicably, and I thought it was really smart that Cousins signed the tender right away without talking to other teams.
As much as I want the team to err on the side of caution here, I also recognize Kirk Cousins really wants to be the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins for a long time.
Agree 100%. Obviously it was a smart business move to sign right away, but not letting drama escalate and showing he wants to get to work here in OTAs was a great leadership move too.
I saw Keim wrote this morning that the two sides are something like $4m/yr apart in contract negotiations. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
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riggofan wrote:Seems like this whole process has played out amicably, and I thought it was really smart that Cousins signed the tender right away without talking to other teams.
As much as I want the team to err on the side of caution here, I also recognize Kirk Cousins really wants to be the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins for a long time.
Agree 100%. Obviously it was a smart business move to sign right away, but not letting drama escalate and showing he wants to get to work here in OTAs was a great leadership move too.
I saw Keim wrote this morning that the two sides are something like $4m/yr apart in contract negotiations. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
$4MM a year? Ouch. Could be $14MM/$18MM (reasonable, Kirk's probably worth $18MM) or could be $16MM/$20MM (unreasonable, Kirk's not a top tier QB, at least not yet).
Scot I trust, Bruce, not so much. Unfortunately, Bruce is the one who negotiates the contracts.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:$4MM a year? Ouch. Could be $14MM/$18MM (reasonable, Kirk's probably worth $18MM) or could be $16MM/$20MM (unreasonable, Kirk's not a top tier QB, at least not yet).
Scot I trust, Bruce, not so much. Unfortunately, Bruce is the one who negotiates the contracts.
I actually thought contracts was the one area Allen has been an improvement. He's gotten the team out of some really bad practices since he's been here. Scouting, drafting... not really.
My point on the $4m/yr though was just that it seems like a number that could be reasonably negotiated. If they were something like $8-$10m apart, I'd be a lot more concerned.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:$4MM a year? Ouch. Could be $14MM/$18MM (reasonable, Kirk's probably worth $18MM) or could be $16MM/$20MM (unreasonable, Kirk's not a top tier QB, at least not yet).
Scot I trust, Bruce, not so much. Unfortunately, Bruce is the one who negotiates the contracts.
I actually thought contracts was the one area Allen has been an improvement. He's gotten the team out of some really bad practices since he's been here. Scouting, drafting... not really.
My point on the $4m/yr though was just that it seems like a number that could be reasonably negotiated. If they were something like $8-$10m apart, I'd be a lot more concerned.
I think if I were managing the franchise, and you can all be thankful I'm not, I would offer Cousins no more than two guaranteed years at a higher price ($18MM sounds about right) with a team option on a third and be looking to draft his replacement ASAP in the case or event he's not what we hope he is. The problem is A) this draft has jack in the way of obvious potential franchise quarterbacks and B) there are too many other needs to fill to waste a pick on a 3rd string quarterback.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: .. Could be $14MM/$18MM (reasonable, Kirk's probably worth $18MM) or could be $16MM/$20MM (unreasonable, Kirk's not a top tier QB, at least not yet). Scot I trust, Bruce, not so much. Unfortunately, Bruce is the one who negotiates the contracts.
good point - I'd think that Scot and his guys have a pretty good grasp on what Cousins salary should be and will 'help' Bruce ...
also agree that Cousins is not a top tier QB yet but if he can get there these guys will pay him accordingly
Cousins guys are trying to get more than he's worth (all players do this) - they're finding out that this franchise doesn't overpay for anyone any more - on the other hand, this franchise is quickly building a reputation for knowing what they're doing and paying their players fairly
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Bruce has a good rep for 'structuring' deals - I think that Scot and the FO guys will help with the 'value' and let Bruce work his magic
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:$4MM a year? Ouch. Could be $14MM/$18MM (reasonable, Kirk's probably worth $18MM) or could be $16MM/$20MM (unreasonable, Kirk's not a top tier QB, at least not yet).
Scot I trust, Bruce, not so much. Unfortunately, Bruce is the one who negotiates the contracts.
I actually thought contracts was the one area Allen has been an improvement. He's gotten the team out of some really bad practices since he's been here. Scouting, drafting... not really.
My point on the $4m/yr though was just that it seems like a number that could be reasonably negotiated. If they were something like $8-$10m apart, I'd be a lot more concerned.
I trust Bruce too. If that rumor is correct my guess would be that it's a $17M/$21M difference of opinion. The Skins think Cousins has proven himself as a second-tier player (i.e., on the order of Stafford, Cutler, Dalton) and his agent is arguing that he's the next Brees, Rivers, or Roethlisberger.
To keep Cousins long-term, the team will have to pay more than most fans will think is OK. Unfortunately, it's a sellers market in QBs right now; there's hardly anyone in the world who can do it really well, not even enough people to staff 20 NFL teams. And the teams know it, too: look at what the Ravens just paid Flacco.
Cousins will get a great deal for a year or 2 but the franchise is not over paying him like the Ravens did with Flacco
AND
the FO will have protections against his not playing up to the standard that his agents think he is going to
I have no issue with Cousins getting a lot of money as long as that money does not hinder our paying other players
I am very confident that the FO will not do that and I don't think that Cousins is that stupid either - he knows the fans will not like that at all
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
DarthMonk wrote:I heard the 'Skins maxed out at $16 M per year before going with the tag.
That sounds about right to me. I wouldn't want to see us go much higher than that. Maybe $17 million a year, and in a kind of worst case scenario $18 million a year.
If Cousins decides to play under the tag to earn $20/yr, then so be it, I guess. Seems like he's taking on a lot of risk in that scenario, whereas the Redskins aren't really.
DarthMonk wrote:I heard the 'Skins maxed out at $16 M per year before going with the tag.
That sounds about right to me. I wouldn't want to see us go much higher than that. Maybe $17 million a year, and in a kind of worst case scenario $18 million a year. If Cousins decides to play under the tag to earn $20/yr, then so be it, I guess. Seems like he's taking on a lot of risk in that scenario, whereas the Redskins aren't really.
BINGO - IF Cousins improves we're good to go ... IF Cousins is not the elite QB his camp thinks he is, we're trying to find one ... Win/Win
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
