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The ace in the hole that Snyder has this time around ‘IF” Gruden gets fired is that he has a GM in place. It will be sold as (and may very well be) SM decisions. Gruden will work in the NFL again when he can (They’ll be a buyout so he could do so if he wants). In fact other coaches will congratulate him on “stealing Dan’s money”. I think SM can attract a decent HC if not there are 25 (guaranteed) million other incentives!! There’s only 32 of these jobs and most pay much less…who wouldn't take 25 mil for 5 years and only have to work 2

J-E-T-S...make it happen.

StorminMormon86 wrote:J-E-T-S...make it happen.

Seattle.

Scot has the connections with them, they have the offensive system, the stout defense, and - most importantly - Pete the diva whisperer.

hitmandm wrote:DS is right.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I'd like to see Griffin get traded but I just don't think it's happening - Griffin is not worth what it might 'cost' another franchise to make a trade and there's a strong possibility that he could be available soon anyway - the season has 9 games left and there are just so many different scenarios that still have to play out - everyone from the HC down is just trying to do what it takes to showcase what they can offer to either Scot or some other franchise

like DEHog said, there are only 32 HC jobs and someone will jump at the chance, even though it entails working for a dysfunctional owner

hitmandm wrote:I think many of you don't get the sarcasm in my original post and think it is the roller coaster of emotion. I cannot help you...

But here is something as well.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/media_gal ... e#slide-10

Add Pierce to that list. Add Suisham to that list.

LOL, that list just proves we haven't given away much talent. It's basically Ryan Clark, Carlos Rogers, and a bunch of marginal players. (No need to add Suisham to the list; he's already on there at #8.) Yes, we could add Pierce to that list. So we basically have two Snyder mistakes from 2005, an underperforming 1st round pick in Rogers, and no one else who is really worth mentioning.

Sounds about right for a team that's had little success in 20 years.

BTW, I was one of the few people on THN who defended Gano and was sad to see him go. But you know what, we might already have a better kicker than him in place now. (And both are better than Suisham, who has a comparatively weak leg.) So I don't really care that there are two former Skins kickers who are starting elsewhere in the league right now. Good for them.

hitmandm wrote:No NFL Owner turns his team over to a GM totally. And the ones that do to the greatest extent have had GMs in place for a very long time and have an understanding. Actually, no one that owns 2 Billion dollars of anything sits by and lets others do whatever they want without some personal oversight. Sure, day to day a GM has a lot of power, but the direction of the franchise and big decisions are made in tandem or at the express will of the majority owner. Scot has authority. But to think that DS or any other owner does not get deeply involved when big decisions are looming (who is QB. Who is HC) is pretty clueless.

DS feels like Gruden reversed course and DS is right. Gruden was hired by DS to execute DS's direction of the franchise and Gruden went off on his own showing very little regard to the owner's original premise. Gruden is history like he would be in any industry where you are hired to do a job and you do the opposite.

Yes- if DS fires JG at the end of the year he will look bad. But who cares. People will still come. Gruden is an idiot and is thought so by half (the insightful half) of the fanbase. He is no homegrown coach with ties here whatsoever. He has had no success here. He is a fat loser who lied his way into a contract and did not even attempt to deliver.

Well, I can tell you this -- if you are correct in that Danny boy is involved in football related decisions in any capacity this franchise will never consistently win. Never. Ever. We will continue to be the joke of the NFL. The only reason we aren't currently is because Scot has made decisions that have made us better.

Dan Snyder is the worst owner in all of professional sports. If you are correct, we will be perpetual losers until the day he dies or sells. Look forward to that.

That being said, I disagree with you analysis on owners and their involvement. For example, the DET coach fired his OC the day before a game without telling his owner. Most --- scratch that --- ALL owners (except Jones) are less hands on than Danny boy. It is a FACT that he is the #1 reason this franchise is in the gutter.

As far as the bold comment --- people will still come, but owners aren't concerned with that as they have a profit sharing agreement and are a monopoly. What owners are concerned with is HOW MUCH THEY WILL PAY --- and check stubhub, skins tickets are at all time lows.

markshark84 wrote:1. It's the GM's job
2. Our GM is not as stupid as Danny boy and wouldn't fire a coach midseason
3. At 3-4 Gruden doesn't deserve to be fired

YES. 21 teams in the league are at or below .500 right now including THE ENTIRE NFC EAST. People are insane.

4.5 hours to go - fingers crossed

SkinsJock wrote:4.5 hours to go - fingers crossed

hah! I forgot what this thread was originally about.

I heard somewhere that the Redskins have received zero phone calls regarding this possible trade.

I read a piece yesterday that basically said RG3 doesn't want to be traded this season and wouldn't renegotiate that contract for next year if there was an opportunity because its just not in his interests at this point and is more likely to hurt his future prospects. That makes complete sense. Going to the Texans or the Jets or whoever mid-season is basically a losing scenario for him. How likely would it be for him to go to one of those places at this point in the season and be successful? He's better off waiting it out and starting fresh in the offseason.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:4.5 hours to go - fingers crossed

hah! I forgot what this thread was originally about. I heard that the Redskins have received zero phone calls regarding this possible trade.

I read a piece yesterday that basically said RG3 doesn't want to be traded this season and wouldn't renegotiate that contract for next year if there was an opportunity because its just not in his interests at this point and is more likely to hurt his future prospects. That makes complete sense. Going to the Texans or the Jets or whoever mid-season is basically a losing scenario for him. How likely would it be for him to go to one of those places at this point in the season and be successful? He's better off waiting it out and starting fresh in the offseason.

wonder how the Griffin haters will feel about that - makes complete sense to me, but what do I know

I'm hopeful of seeing Griffin prove that he can be an effective NFL QB - here or elsewhere, that would be fantastic

riggofan wrote:I read a piece yesterday that basically said RG3 doesn't want to be traded this season and wouldn't renegotiate that contract for next year if there was an opportunity because its just not in his interests at this point and is more likely to hurt his future prospects. That makes complete sense. Going to the Texans or the Jets or whoever mid-season is basically a losing scenario for him. How likely would it be for him to go to one of those places at this point in the season and be successful? He's better off waiting it out and starting fresh in the offseason.

Absolutely. RGIII is Danny boy's little pet. RGIII was able to get a coach fired, along with the best OC in the NFL --- a group that did everything possible to make him succeed, well, until RGIII's injury and ego got in the way and ruined it for everyone. There aren't many places a guy KNOWS he'll get special treatment --- and RGIII knows he will with our idiotic owner. He also knows he won't be given the opportunities he will be in DC. Any other team in the NFL won't be as patient (and dumb) with him as Danny boy.

Going to HOU would be idiotic since he doesn't fit in their OFF and there is talk down in Houston that O'Brien may be on the hot seat. Honestly though, if the NYJs wanted him it would be dumb for him not to go. They are a decent team with a decent coach, a coach that appears to have staying power. They also have a good support system to help him transition into an NFL QB. Regardless, going anywhere as a QB is ridiculous mid-year. He apparenetly has had issues with playbooks after having entire offseasons; I doubt he (or really any QB in the NFL) could easily learn a playbook midyear and contribute that season.

If RGIII waits, he will most likely be cut at season end. He'll be able to wait and see who gets fired/hired and also see who has interest, then make a decision ---- one he can personally make opposed to Scot making it for him.

In most cases, he'll be a back-up QB candidate or at the very best in a position to "compete for the starting job" scenario. It is guaranteed that no team in the NFL will sign him as the "starter". And if Gruden were fired and Scot actually wanted RGIII back (which I don't think is the case) and Danny boy isn't involved (which I doubt), then they could sign RGIII back and have him "compete" here --- and RGIII knows he'll have "preference" since he is Danny's little pet. Not a bad scenario for him, but there are a ton of "ifs" that accompany it. If the season continues as it is now, I don't see Gruden being fired and I don't see Scot wanting RGIII back but as long as Danny boy is around, you can guarantee that insanely dumb things/decisions will be made.

riggofan wrote:I read a piece yesterday that basically said RG3 doesn't want to be traded this season and wouldn't renegotiate that contract for next year if there was an opportunity because its just not in his interests at this point and is more likely to hurt his future prospects. That makes complete sense. Going to the Texans or the Jets or whoever mid-season is basically a losing scenario for him. How likely would it be for him to go to one of those places at this point in the season and be successful? He's better off waiting it out and starting fresh in the offseason.

Yea..I think this is part of the reason he's been a good citizen this year!. By waiting and being released he can choose the best fit for him.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/ ... 5377545221

Zero interest in Griffin since August. Not surprising.

markshark84 wrote:.. RGIII is Danny boy's little pet. RGIII was able to get a coach fired, along with the best OC in the NFL --- a group that did everything possible to make him succeed, well, until RGIII's injury and ego got in the way and ruined it for everyone. There aren't many places a guy KNOWS he'll get special treatment --- and RGIII knows he will with our idiotic owner. He also knows he won't be given the opportunities he will be in DC. ...

you might be right about Dan Snyder and RG3 - I hadn't thought about that but it's a fair point - so, all RG3 needs to do is wait and let Dan Snyder and the Redskins sign him to a lucrative contract ...

good call

StorminMormon86 wrote:https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/661559995377545221

Zero interest in Griffin since August. Not surprising.

I'm really interested to see how much interest there is for him in the off-season?

hopefully there is a bunch of interest because if no franchise wants him, he'll be back here with his buddy, the owner

1 hour to go

Robert and his agent need to look for an opportunity with a franchise that has a interest in his skill set. Another poster he says Robert's concerns about his legs are distracting him, maybe there is a franchise that will run the read option, roll him out, and other things to help him be productive as he learns how to read defenses better. I wish him well with another team. I hope some college free agent with some pocket and WCO offense takes the 3rd string spot next year and Cousins and McCoy get extensions.

OldSchool wrote:Robert and his agent need to look for an opportunity with a franchise that has a interest in his skill set. Another poster he says Robert's concerns about his legs are distracting him, maybe there is a franchise that will run the read option, roll him out, and other things to help him be productive as he learns how to read defenses better. I wish him well with another team.

I thought you were sure that RG3 could not play QB in the NFL

btw - I notice your other team is getting ready to play Manziel ..

SkinsJock wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Robert and his agent need to look for an opportunity with a franchise that has a interest in his skill set. Another poster he says Robert's concerns about his legs are distracting him, maybe there is a franchise that will run the read option, roll him out, and other things to help him be productive as he learns how to read defenses better. I wish him well with another team.

I thought you were sure that RG3 could not play QB in the NFL

btw - I notice your other team is getting ready to play Manziel ..

First, I am very skeptical about Griffin's ability to be useful in the NFL. Maybe he'll surprise me and Griffin affectionados will be able to enjoy seeing him flourish with another team, I hope so. Second, I am not a Brown's fan. I briefly got interested in them as a potential "second team" to follow when Kyle Shananhan took over but it quickly became apparent that their owner was even worse than Snyder so I stopped following by the midpoint or so of 2104. Do you remember the texting issue?

DEHog wrote:

riggofan wrote:I read a piece yesterday that basically said RG3 doesn't want to be traded this season and wouldn't renegotiate that contract for next year if there was an opportunity because its just not in his interests at this point and is more likely to hurt his future prospects. That makes complete sense. Going to the Texans or the Jets or whoever mid-season is basically a losing scenario for him. How likely would it be for him to go to one of those places at this point in the season and be successful? He's better off waiting it out and starting fresh in the offseason.

Yea..I think this is part of the reason he's been a good citizen this year!. By waiting and being released he can choose the best fit for him.

He looks like a complete ass. Every team in the league sees him making no effort to facilitate a trade. He's all about him. Don't let the door to the CFL hit you in the ass on the way in, Bob.

OldSchool wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Robert and his agent need to look for an opportunity with a franchise that has a interest in his skill set. Another poster he says Robert's concerns about his legs are distracting him, maybe there is a franchise that will run the read option, roll him out, and other things to help him be productive as he learns how to read defenses better. I wish him well with another team.

I thought you were sure that RG3 could not play QB in the NFL

btw - I notice your other team is getting ready to play Manziel ..

First, I am very skeptical about Griffin's ability to be useful in the NFL. Maybe he'll surprise me and Griffin affectionados will be able to enjoy seeing him flourish with another team, I hope so. Second, I am not a Brown's fan. I briefly got interested in them as a potential "second team" to follow when Kyle Shananhan took over but it quickly became apparent that their owner was even worse than Snyder so I stopped following by the midpoint or so of 2104. Do you remember the texting issue?

But who can really take your posts seriously when you paraphrase what I said as "Robert's concerns about his legs are distracting him?"

SkinsJock wrote:

markshark84 wrote:.. RGIII is Danny boy's little pet. RGIII was able to get a coach fired, along with the best OC in the NFL --- a group that did everything possible to make him succeed, well, until RGIII's injury and ego got in the way and ruined it for everyone. There aren't many places a guy KNOWS he'll get special treatment --- and RGIII knows he will with our idiotic owner. He also knows he won't be given the opportunities he will be in DC. ...

you might be right about Dan Snyder and RG3 - I hadn't thought about that but it's a fair point - so, all RG3 needs to do is wait and let Dan Snyder and the Redskins sign him to a lucrative contract ...

good call

Ouch!

Hopefully Scot has some pull. And perhaps Gruden, that is, if he's still around.

so the trade deadline has passed and what do you know, RG3 is still here - that's a good thing because it really pisses off a lot os fans here

we all need to just let this play out - RG3 is not near the disaster that some here think anymore than he's ready to come back and be a super QB

Hopefully Scot and the FO will have the authority to decide who is going to be coaching and playing here - that may or may not include Griffin, Gruden and Cousins

we have 9 games to go and hopefully all 3 are here for all of them - as the man once said ... "LET'S ROLL"