Cousins Showing Progress Griffin Didn't Make

[SkinsJock]

^^ thanks - me too

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Markshark.. I have been cheering Kirk along, and not once claimed that RGiii is the best option.

5 tds to what 6 ints? Is NOT mediocre, it's crappy.

I have him props for showing grit last week and even this week for the fg drive.

Missing wide open targets was as big if not a bigger problem last week.

If coach rolls with Kirk till the wheels fall off cool... But the play from the qb has been poor, and I just wonder if Colt can improve that any.

Are we arguing that Kirk is not doodoo? Or if the guys behind him are worse doodoo?

Maybe if I changed my avatar you "pro Kirk" fellas would actually read my posts.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

* Co0ley also pointed out on the last play that Kirk should've recognized the D and changed the blocking to pick up the lb who was barreling down on him untouched...
Funny thing is he crucified Robert for the same thing, but shrugs it off for Kirk like no biggie. I guess that's what Erks me about the Kirk fan boys. It's a double standard, cuss Robert for missing wide open targets, but give Kirk a pass... Pick six to lose the game? Oh, but last week he made a good throw. WTF?

I used to get bashed for pointing out things like fumbles and drops in support of Roberts play, and the hypocritical excuses for Kirk just make me lmao. Ok guys, Kirk can do no evil, gotchya

[PulpExposure]

I love SkinsJock.

HAHA indeed - but we did not lose because of Captain Kirk's play or because he threw another interception - Captain Kirk is playing well

Earlier today. Same thread!

I think Captain Kirk is playing better than I thought he could ... but, he's still not playing very well

Your opinion flipped in just a few hours?

[SkinsJock]

^^ Gotta give it to him ckRGiii is going to stick with his QB - I feel the same - I don't want Captain Kirk to play bad as do many of the kissing Cousins group & I certainly am not looking for Griffin to come in right now - the coaches will know better when or if that's likely to happen there are a lot of so called fans here that just cannot stand Griffin & will not tolerate any criticism of their boy - even when some of it is deserved

I hope Captain Kirk plays well while he's the QB here but I just want the QB that's wearing B&G on Sunday to be the best he can be

[SkinsJock]

I think Captain Kirk is playing well and better than I thought he could but he's not playing very well or at a very high level

Captain Kirk is getting it done thankfully for the rest of the offense but he's the only option right now because if there were anyone else available to play QB here they would be getting a look at some playing time soon if Captain Kirk does not continue to play above himself and reverts to that other QB we have seen

[markshark84]

Markshark.. I have been cheering Kirk along, and not once claimed that RGiii is the best option.

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?%20...%2092#p655892

and...

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?%20...%2066#p657066

rrriiiigggghhhhttt................

[markshark84]

I have him props for showing grit last week and even this week for the fg drive.

You literally made two posts between the end of the Philly game and beginning of ATL and it didn't have to do with Cousins.....

http://thehogs.net/forum/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=10295&start=30

[markshark84]

Maybe if I changed my avatar you "pro Kirk" fellas would actually read my posts.

If your posts were actually factually accurate; even semi-accurate and/or unbiased --- people would pay closer attention to them.

And I am not "pro-Kirk" at all. That is your issue. To you --- if you aren't "pro and completely RGIII biased" and think Cousins is dog crap then you are "pro-Kirk".

At this point no one can help your RGIII bias. It has gotten out of hand.

Oh and thanks for actually replying to the points of my previous post....... Instead you just choose not to respond directly and in reply come up with different inaccuracies......

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Markshark.. I have been cheering Kirk along, and not once claimed that RGiii is the best option.

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?%20...%2092#p655892

and...

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?%20...%2066#p657066

rrriiiigggghhhhttt................

those links didn't work bro... Do u hang out in the game day threads? Re-read the Philly game brah.. and how many posts I made means what? The entire forum was moving at a snail pace, and I was crewing for a balloon at the international balloon fiesta- not that I have any reason to defend my lack of praise for Kirk, it's all there in the game day threads patna

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Maybe if I changed my avatar you "pro Kirk" fellas would actually read my posts.

If your posts were actually factually accurate; even semi-accurate and/or unbiased --- people would pay closer attention to them.

And I am not "pro-Kirk" at all. That is your issue. To you --- if you aren't "pro and completely RGIII biased" and think Cousins is dog crap then you are "pro-Kirk".

At this point no one can help your RGIII bias. It has gotten out of hand.

Oh and thanks for actually replying to the points of my previous post....... Instead you just choose not to respond directly and in reply come up with different inaccuracies......

You're so silly marky Mark.. you need attention?
Kirk sucks.
Robert sucks.
Colt sucks.

Only Kirk has had the pleasure of losing games this season tho, ok?

Y'all paint me as some kind of rgiii homer, but routinely bring him up when no one else does.

Facts... Ok facts. Like the turnover machine Kirk is? Or does that not count?

Rgiii gave us wins homey, that's ALL I GIVE A *f$ck* ABOUT. Dear Kirk, give me wins (and less ints) and I'll be your fanboy.

What's wrong with that? Do I have to make excuses, like the wide out fell, when clearly he fell trying to get back to an outside ball that MUST be thrown in?? Gtfoh, you pretend you're "unbiased" but routinely pick apart my posts trying to find pro Griffin statements to paint me as some RG homer... When in fact I root for every guy behind center, and get equally pist when the suck.


If u hate my posts so much, then tell me why you are fanatically on Deez NUTS?

I don't like losing Mark. I HATE losing games we should've won. I REALLY hate people not giving Kirk his share of blame, after "unbiasedly" blaming Robert for everything from wide out drops to the crops not yielding enough produce. Hypocritical. Biased. Homer. If the shoe fits...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Gutsy drive by captain Kirk... Good *sh$t*!!!

!!!

Rooting him on... Does that mean I can't be butt hurt about a pick six losing the game? Gtfoh man.. He is Rexy 2.0, good Kirk bad Kirk...

Cheers to more good then bad Kirk next week. Sorry if my dissatisfaction in the outcome of the ATL game came across as rooting for the third string qb. I'm a fan not a coach, and take this *sh$t* to seriously; I'll be the first to admit it.

[Deadskins]

I think Captain Kirk is playing well and better than I thought he could but he's not playing very well or at a very high level

In the same sentence that time!

[riggofan]

I think Captain Kirk is playing well and better than I thought he could but he's not playing very well or at a very high level

In the same sentence that time!

Good grief.

[SkinsJock]

sorry - Captain Kirk is not hurting the offense but he's not exactly an inspiring player or leader - he's just OK

[riggofan]

sorry - Captain Kirk is not hurting the offense but he's not exactly an inspiring player or leader

Good point. Probably need a guy with inspiring socks and more of a twitter presence.

Seriously, did anyone else see Cousins' comments after the loss Sunday? How he took responsibility for it and refused to throw Grant under the bus? I couldn't help but compare that to some of Griffin's post game comments.

“It takes 11 men," Griffin said. "It doesn’t take one guy, and that’s proven. If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don’t play well if their guys don’t play well. They don’t."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... .html?nf=1
RG3 throws Redskins teammates under bus after his own bad game

I have a different idea of leadership.

[DEHog]

sorry - Captain Kirk is not hurting the offense but he's not exactly an inspiring player or leader

Good point. Probably need a guy with inspiring socks and more of a twitter presence.

Seriously, did anyone else see Cousins' comments after the loss Sunday? How he took responsibility for it and refused to throw Grant under the bus? I couldn't help but compare that to some of Griffin's post game comments.

“It takes 11 men," Griffin said. "It doesn’t take one guy, and that’s proven. If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don’t play well if their guys don’t play well. They don’t."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... .html?nf=1
RG3 throws Redskins teammates under bus after his own bad game

I have a different idea of leadership.

Last time I checked Peyton wasn't playing well...aren't they 5-0?

[markshark84]

Markshark.. I have been cheering Kirk along, and not once claimed that RGiii is the best option.

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?%20...%2092#p655892

and...

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?%20...%2066#p657066

rrriiiigggghhhhttt................

those links didn't work bro... Do u hang out in the game day threads? Re-read the Philly game brah.. and how many posts I made means what? The entire forum was moving at a snail pace, and I was crewing for a balloon at the international balloon fiesta- not that I have any reason to defend my lack of praise for Kirk, it's all there in the game day threads patna

Man, you are correct. Not sure WTF happened there. Pretty cool about the hot air ballon fiesta thing. The wife has been bothering me to do that and while I'm not afraid of heights, I'm not about to....

You don't have to like Kirk, I don't even. But you have double standards when it comes to RGIII and Cousins and haven't been accurate in your posts.
Hopefully these work: They do when I "preview" the post....

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=41056&p=657066#p657066

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41015&p=655892#p655892

As far as reading stuff. I don't hang out in the game day threads. I find it gets in the way of analyzing things. Regardless, saying a couple backhanded nice things doesn't make up for the 100s you say to the exact opposite. And the lack of praise shows your true feelings. This is clear. No one is fooled.

[markshark84]

You're so silly marky Mark.. you need attention?
Kirk sucks.
Robert sucks.
Colt sucks.

Only Kirk has had the pleasure of losing games this season tho, ok?

Y'all paint me as some kind of rgiii homer, but routinely bring him up when no one else does.

Facts... Ok facts. Like the turnover machine Kirk is? Or does that not count?

Rgiii gave us wins homey, that's ALL I GIVE A *f$ck* ABOUT. Dear Kirk, give me wins (and less ints) and I'll be your fanboy.

What's wrong with that? Do I have to make excuses, like the wide out fell, when clearly he fell trying to get back to an outside ball that MUST be thrown in?? Gtfoh, you pretend you're "unbiased" but routinely pick apart my posts trying to find pro Griffin statements to paint me as some RG homer... When in fact I root for every guy behind center, and get equally pist when the suck.


If u hate my posts so much, then tell me why you are fanatically on Deez NUTS?

I don't like losing Mark. I HATE losing games we should've won. I REALLY hate people not giving Kirk his share of blame, after "unbiasedly" blaming Robert for everything from wide out drops to the crops not yielding enough produce. Hypocritical. Biased. Homer. If the shoe fits...

Not sure what you mean by the Kirk having the pleasure of losing games. Generally you lose games as a team. Our offense has been poor this year in that they average 3 less ppg than they should.

You ARE an RGIII homer. I don't think that is disputable. You have even admitted to that!!!! So now you aren't???? What changed?? I never bring him up initially. The guy doesn't even suit up. I only comment on what others say.

So you gave me one arbitrary fact. One.

RGIII is 4-16 as a starter post injury. What wins are you talking about homey? The ones from 2012? In football years, that was a LONG time ago when RGIII was a different player.

I am unbiased. I have proven that. And it isn't hard to pick apart posts that are inaccurate or exaggerated or biased. While you may "root" for everyone behind center --- you just root for them DIFFERENTLY, which is bias.... I don't question your fanhood in any respect ---- I just think that you are an even bigger RGIII fan, which it what irks me....

When you say DEEZ nuts --- do mean the presidential candidate? That dude is the man. I don't hate your posts. I actually love breaking them down.... But that was real mature.

I didn't see the ATL game as one we "should have won". More like a game we "could" have won. When we went into OT, my opinion was we were going to lose --- even without the Cousins INT.

I blamed RGIII for what he actually did wrong or not well. I don't recall ever blaming him for drops or for crops not producing.......at all. My critizisms of RGIII are the same ones most other posters and the actual coaching staff had with him. And Cousins should totally be given his share of the blame this year. No question. He is a game manager that throws too many INTs. But the fact is we are playing FAR better than we were last year. So, when you say that Cousins is "garbage" and not even "semi competent" ---- that is a completel lie; he is mediocre --- and playing better than any other QB we've had last year or the year prior. And the fact you think I (or the many other posters) am a Kirk homer for literally stating the obvious is just another example of bias and/or your inability to truly see what is going on at the QB position.

And I don't think anyone on the planet enjoys losing.

[markshark84]

Sorry, multiple posts. Deleted

[SkinsJock]

First of all - get out of here with the references to Griffin ... he's not the QB here - Captain Kirk is - that's childish behavior

Captain Kirk is OK - he's not great - he's helping the offense but he's not taking control or getting on the offensive players when they don't do the right thing - Captain Kirk is just doing his job but he's not showing that he's going to be a Brett Favre or John Elway as one poster here thinks

I'm fine with Captain Kirk but I'm not excited about how he plays QB or inspired by how he's leading this offense

He should take responsibility for stuff that he did wrong but he's also not the sole reason we lost that game

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

For the sake of moving on... You supply links to posts I made directly after Kirk making a bonehead play, and/or a game losing play.

5tds 6 ints and only one pass of 40 yards or more... Is barely competent.. if at all. Imho of course

He's our guy, and I truly hope he plays better and gets over the hump. He doesn't need to be elite, but I don't think he is even at the "decent" level yet

[StorminMormon86]

Garcon drops the pass in the Lions preseason game, the excuses come out of the woodwork. Garcon gifts the Falcons a ball thrown by Kirk, "OMG KIRK IS A POS!!! REX GROSSMAN JR!!!!"

I don't understand why ANYONE who claims to be a Skins fan would not be on the "Kirk Cousins bandwagon". He is our last hope of having a competent QB for the next few years. It's ridiculous that people would want to hang him out to dry and hope he fails.

And yes, the people who want Kirk to fail are blind Griffin homers. Just a fact. They want Kirk to fail so Gruden can get fired and Snyder will hire another coach to "fix" Griffin or give him another shot.

[SkinsJock]

There is no 'reasoning' or point in having a dialogue with many here that are so biased ...

I'm done here - I will only add that the team, players and coaches did a hell of a job last Sunday in giving the players a chance to pull out a win against a pretty good team

we went to friggin' overtime and some here want to get defensive about a QB that has an interception problem - he's our QB for crying out loud - Griffin is not even being considered as an option as far as I know and the kissing Cousins crowd are all up in arms

I feel that the whole team should be looked at as having had a very good game that just didn't finish the way we wanted

so far this season, this group has put on a pretty good show and who knows what is in store - one things for sure, Scot is getting a pretty good idea of who he can count on - if this season is going to continue to give us some great plays like we've already seen, we're very lucky


holding the Falcons to 19 points over 60 minutes was just fantastic & finding a way to get to OT was fun - how long since we could say that



get over yourselves - Cousins is not a great QB but he's doing fine - he's certainly surprised me - hopefully he can keep it up

[PulpExposure]

Garcon drops the pass in the Lions preseason game, the excuses come out of the woodwork. Garcon gifts the Falcons a ball thrown by Kirk, "OMG KIRK IS A POS!!! REX GROSSMAN JR!!!!"

I don't understand why ANYONE who claims to be a Skins fan would not be on the "Kirk Cousins bandwagon". He is our last hope of having a competent QB for the next few years. It's ridiculous that people would want to hang him out to dry and hope he fails.

And yes, the people who want Kirk to fail are blind Griffin homers. Just a fact. They want Kirk to fail so Gruden can get fired and Snyder will hire another coach to "fix" Griffin or give him another shot.

Wow. There's a middle ground here, too, SM.

I don't want RG3 to ever put on a Redskins uniform again. And I'm with Cousins for the whole year, because he needs a shot to succeed, but I also am 99% sure he's not a solution either. He throws interceptions (that's inarguable, whether it's by bad luck or whatever, he does turn the ball over), and his ball placement is poor (e.g., the INT Garcon gifted to Atlanta was thrown behind him). Those are problematic downsides in a QB.

I don't see how he's our last chance for the next few years. There's the draft, and there are other options.

Hey maybe Jay Cutler will be available! (I joke, but his career int% is almost a full percentage point lower than Kirk's, with a career TD% almost a full percentage point higher....)