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StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:some of you guys are obviously not watching the same games I'm watching - that, or you have what I'd call selective 'vision'

I'm watching. I'd just like to see Kirk afforded the same "OPERATION PATIENCE" that was given to 10.

like I said - you're just not seeing what I'm seeing and your view is tainted - I just want the QB to play well and what I'm seeing is a QB getting preferential treatment despite the flaws

that's OK - keep him in there - we'll get rid of both of them soon enough - Scot is not putting up with this stuff next season

In SJs defense, I'm pretty sure another poster came up with Pick Cousins...

I'm starting to not like Kirk Grossman... Grossy seemed to flash more Sexy Rexy then Kirk does. Must be the injuries, even tho Crowder and RossDaBoss both ran faster 40s and are bigger targets then Djax....

*Djax is taller then Crowder.. both Ross the Crowder recorded sub 4.35 40s but the at the combine averaged higher. Neither are as good at the position, but I do think are capable of opening up the top of a D if we took shots, and delivered accurate passes. Djax is far superior, I'm still a little salty from the beat down we took.. meh

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:In SJs defense, I'm pretty sure another poster came up with Pick Cousins...

Who cares? Its freaking gay.

My point all along has been that Kirk Cousins should be given every opportunity to start as QB here but that he doesn't get to start for 16 games if he shows that he has not learned how to stop turning the ball over or if his mechanics don't improve - THAT"S IT - we've seen some improvement but he continues to show that he's not going to be able to stop turning the ball over - while B&GF sees a future Brett Farve or John Elway in this kid, I think that Cousins has shown that he's not going to be as good as many here think

all I'm asking is, why do we HAVE TO make Kirk Cousins start 16 games as the OP suggested?

I'm just trolling around and enjoying the reaction

SkinsJock wrote:I'm just trolling around and enjoying the reaction

Hadn't noticed.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:some of you guys are obviously not watching the same games I'm watching - that, or you have what I'd call selective 'vision'

I'm watching. I'd just like to see Kirk afforded the same "OPERATION PATIENCE" that was given to 10.

I think the difference is that Robert EARNED patience.. he put up a magical year in 2012, that was ended by a catastrophic injury... And followed up by another big injury. Since he has shown greatness, and wasn't 100%, he deserved a longer look.

While Kirk has shown us some very positive thing, he continues to turn in subpar performances, showing he has not improved on protecting the ball, and the grit needed to perform on the bigger stages..

I do think he will turn in some solid performances to buy him self some more time... Although, if he doesn't, moving on needs to strongly be considered

I think Kirk Cousins gets to keep playing even though he's obviously proving that he's not a very good QB - to some of us, at least
the problem is that it would seem that neither McCoy or Griffin have shown the coaches that they are ready to come in and play better

Cousins has a big opportunity this weekend - he may not get another ...

I certainly don't agree that Gruden's "Gotta Start Cousins 16 Times This Year..."

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I do think he will turn in some solid performances to buy him self some more time... Although, if he doesn't, moving on needs to strongly be considered

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:the qb carousel has never worked here, idk why people think it will now. Just imagine if every qb who ever threw 4 or 5 pics (which robert has not) in one game would have been benched.. sheli gets no rings!
The qb position here is an impossible role to fill when the oline is so porous. People will say thats an excuse, but while robert holds the ball to long, hes already getting hit before long enough- and missing TW our best lineman didn't help at all today

Odd that Kirk doesn't get the benefit of the doubt without TW.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I do think he will turn in some solid performances to buy him self some more time... Although, if he doesn't, moving on needs to strongly be considered

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:the qb carousel has never worked here, idk why people think it will now. Just imagine if every qb who ever threw 4 or 5 pics (which robert has not) in one game would have been benched.. sheli gets no rings!
The qb position here is an impossible role to fill when the oline is so porous. People will say thats an excuse, but while robert holds the ball to long, hes already getting hit before long enough- and missing TW our best lineman didn't help at all today

Odd that Kirk doesn't get the benefit of the doubt without TW.

The o-line only sucks when Griffin plays. Its a well documented phenomenon.

ah! One day we will all miss these spirited debates over Griffin v. Cousins. Or more likely we'll look back at realize it was all about as significant to the team as Becks v. Rex.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I do think he will turn in some solid performances to buy him self some more time... Although, if he doesn't, moving on needs to strongly be considered - the qb carousel has never worked here, idk why people think it will now. Just imagine if every qb who ever threw 4 or 5 pics (which robert has not) in one game would have been benched.. sheli gets no rings!
The qb position here is an impossible role to fill when the oline is so porous. People will say thats an excuse, but while robert holds the ball to long, he's already getting hit before long enough- and missing TW our best lineman didn't help at all today

Odd that Kirk doesn't get the benefit of the doubt without TW.

Cousins is who ckRGiii was referencing

Cousins is going to continue to be the QB here - that is ONLY because he's the best option at QB here NOT because he's a good NFL QB, he's NOT - we all know (well, most of us) that we do not have a QB on the roster that is a better option at QB, at this time - HOWEVER .... it's my GUARANTEE - IF Cousins continues to turn the ball over, one of the other 2 QBs (hopefully McCoy) will be starting here - This franchise now rewards players for playing/practicing well - The QB position is a little different than the others because some continuity and familiarity with the other players around him is V important, BUT ... the single most important deal with the QB position is to not turn the ball over - taking sacks or not being effective is not near as CRITICALLY IMPORTANT as not turning the ball over - end of rant

IMO - Gruden decided to go with Cousins for 2 reasons, he seemed to have a better grasp of the offense that Gruden and McVay wanted to run and given that the O line was still coming together, having a QB that got rid of the ball quicker was an advantage

Gruden hoped that Cousins would have learned that it is CRITICAL to NOT turn the ball over - that, IMO is going to cost Gruden his job and it will also mean that Cousins will not be QB here much longer if he continues to do that

Gruden, McVay and Cousins can make all this BS go away with a really good showing against the Buccaneers this Sunday

SkinsJock wrote: Cousins is who ckRGiii was referencing

No it wasn't. That was from a post game thread in 2014, after looking absolutely pathetic against the Buccaneers. And guess who started at QB that game?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: Cousins is who ckRGiii was referencing

No it wasn't. That was from a post game thread in 2014, after looking absolutely pathetic against the Buccaneers. And guess who started at QB that game?

OK - the fact that TW was not playing last week against a better defense than when Griffin played so badly against a TB defense that was not so good and also without TW is a mute point - TW's absence was a bit of a factor in last Sunday's game but TW's absence did not force Cousins to not have good mechanics or to make 1 horrific decision and throw that INT

I could care less what Griffin did or did not do - I only care about Cousins propensity for turning the ball over

why do we have to go back and revisit all the bad plays these 2 QBs made before this season - let's get Cousins to stop throwing interceptions and make sure we don't have to put another QB on the field

Why does everyone say that Cousins is the better QB to start for this team? Because Gruden says it? The Jay Gruden whose teams get outscored like 46-3 in the third quarter? The Gruden who takes a Pro Bowl 1000+ yd rusher and turns him into a backup? Gruden is an idiot. Cousins has a worse Passer rating than RG3 if you take out RG3's 2012 year. Cousins has thrown like the same amount of ints in half the time. And all doing this while playing on a much better team than RG3 has ever had.

Gruden is an idiot who cannot adapt. The third quarter thing is his inability to adapt. And its not new. He had horrible 3q in Cincy as well.

Fire Code-Red Gruden. Put Cousins back on the bench. Addition by subtraction

Jay Gruden might be wrong, but he is the only one of us who will lose a job if he picks the wrong QB.

Gruden is in a better spot than we are to pick the best QB. My hunch is that switching to Colt McCoy will just replay last season. Hunch also says that Griffin will not get another start in Washington. Therefore, Gruden has three bad choices, three losing choices. The Redskins might as well stick with Cousins. Maybe he improves. Maybe the OL play improves and Cousins improves with it.

Painful, but no one seems to have a QB, a WR, and an OL hidden, just ready to spring on the second half of the season.

There have been worse Redskin teams. See: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... s/1960.htm

(Note the points scored, points allowed, differential: next to last in the NFL)

Kirk Cousins with a huge day. No doubt in my mind if you surround him with weapons and he can get it done, but consistency is the difference between him and guys like Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.

You have to give him all 16 games and see if he can improve his consistency.

Kirk is the MAN!!! His critics can crawl in a hole, grab their blankee and suck their thumbs for a week.

Hail to the Redskins and hail to Captain Kirk!

hitmandm wrote:Why does everyone say that Cousins is the better QB to start for this team?

Did you see the game?

Kirk had his best game as a Redskins to me. They finally opened the offense back up, was not predictable and put it on his shoulders and he took it in stride and won the game for us. I still don't give anyone a guaranteed 16 games unless he is earning it.

OldSchool wrote:Kirk is the MAN!!! His critics can crawl in a hole, grab their blankee and suck their thumbs for a week.

Hail to the Redskins and hail to Captain Kirk!

Before we start crowing can he please string together, I dunno, at least 2 good games in a row?

One good, one bad (which is his pattern) does not make a good quarterback.

PulpExposure wrote:Before we start crowing can he please string together, I dunno, at least 2 good games in a row?

Not when the 2nd game is against New England. You heard it here first.

The only good thing about this season is watching Redskins offense I don't think the Skins under Gruden need a big time playmaker at QB. Kirk Cousins has gotten the offense humming and that is with guys like Grant, Ross, Roberts, and Carrier getting too much playing time. The Redskins are one more receiver and offensive lineman from being pretty darn good everywhere but quarterback. A game manager could win some big games.

Again, Kirk Cousins needs all 16 to see if he can improve his consistency. We know what Colt McCoy is.

A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.

hitmandm wrote:A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.

Without arguing any of the above, does RGIII bring the team back from that deficit?

hitmandm wrote:A win is a win. But C'mon. We were at home, against the team with the top pick in the NFL draft last year because they were the worst team in the league. We had to come from behind against a team that destroyed themselves with penalties. And they have a rookie QB. And we had to come from behind and win in our own house. That's not good.

This game says nothing other than we are 1 pt at home better than the worst team in the league last year. Gruden is still over his head. Kirk is still a backup.

Enjoy the win, but don't over react and say this is Kirk progressing or Gruden becoming competent. We barely beat the worst team in the league last year with a rookie QB at the helm in our own house.

Oh evil dark spirit! You CANNOT Destroy my happy. BEGONE vile bad vibe thou'st dare propose.