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tribeofjudah wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:I think we should draft Landon Collins.

While I believe our first priority is to fix our Oline and Dline. We already have a pro Bowl left tackle and I dont believe in drafting a right tackle or guard in the first round especially in the top five picks.

Top ten picks should go to true game changers and future hall of famers or potential hall of famers.

Williams out of USC would be my first choice but most likely gone by the time we pick. So it makes sense for us to add a big playmaker in our weak secondary. Shane Ray looks like a force too but we have good linebackers already. So to me it makes sense to get Collins.

The free agent market is also loaded with quality guards and some defense nose tackle options as well. So its looking more and more like we probably will take Collins with the no. 5 pick.

hmmm, I don't think Collins will be TBA at #5 (though I like his play)
I think we pull the trigger on an Olineman or DE/LB

riggofan wrote:If we pick at #5, I just want a BEAST. If that is Scherff at tackle or Collins or Randy Gregory, I want that guy who is going to be a difference maker.

I hate this comment btw: "Shane Ray looks like a force too but we have good linebackers already." It strikes as exactly the wrong approach (no offense intended). If Shane Ray is the best guy at that pick, then TAKE HIM.

But just because it’s a big need that doesn’t mean that you necessarily address it first or put most of your resources into it this year (that’s how I’m interpreting “mainly focus”) if you are building through the draft. You don’t have any control over who is on the board when your pick comes up. If you’re “focusing” on the line, you’re going to reach and not take the best graded player available.

And that’s what Scot McCloughan is going to do. It should be noted that need does factor into the grades so there will be something of a bias towards players in positions of need. But if there are a lot of highly graded secondary players on the board when the Redskins draft, McCloughan could well go in that direction.

The object in rebuilding through the draft is not to build up one area and then move on to other areas. The idea is to get the best players you can, no matter where they play.

In the short term you might end up with some units that are too thin and some others that have great depth. But if you stick with the process as teams like McCloughan’s past employers, the Packers, Seahawks, and 49ers have you can end up with a pretty good team. If you reach in the draft in the hope of shoring up one particular area of the team you will end up not fixing anything at all.

tribeofjudah wrote:who's the next JJ Watts?

6'5"............ 289 lbs and fast, big motor. Talk about a beast..!!!

McCLOUGHAN: “Well, first and foremost, like I said for the next two weeks I will be at all-star games and then getting back here and getting to know this roster – going through the whole ’14 season, meeting with the coaches as much as possible and just seeing what we think have and don’t have. Now, when we approach this draft, you know right now we have the fifth pick. Again, I’m never under the assumption that you draft for need. You draft the best available football player on the board."

McCLOUGHAN: "You know people say, ‘Well, if you have this and this, why would you do that?’ Because, you know, in the long run, they are the ones who will help you win the most games.”

McCLOUGHAN: “I honestly think the draft is the lifeline of your organization, but also you’ve got to understand with free agency that’s a tool that you can use and you can use it in a positive manner. You know, you start dabbling too much in free agency sometimes, you’re getting older guys; you’re getting medical history. The thing I liked about what we did in San Fran, what we did in Seattle, we drafted our own, molded our own and re-signed the ones we wanted to re-sign. So all of a sudden now, you train them how you want to train them. See, in Washington, we’re going to draft these guys and we are going to draft them and mold them as Redskins. We’re not going to have to go out to other organizations and bring in 32 and 33 year olds who have different plans. I think the best case scenario is you draft and mold your own and re-sign your own. But free agency is still there to be used to make your roster stronger too. You can’t lose sight of that.”

SkinsJock wrote:Free Agency is March 10th and the NFL Draft is March 30th ...

SkinsJock wrote:Free Agency is March 10th and the NFL Draft is March 30th ...

sorry DM - the draft is April 30th ... point is it's after free agency

tribeofjudah wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:I think we should draft Landon Collins.

While I believe our first priority is to fix our Oline and Dline. We already have a pro Bowl left tackle and I dont believe in drafting a right tackle or guard in the first round especially in the top five picks.

Top ten picks should go to true game changers and future hall of famers or potential hall of famers.

Williams out of USC would be my first choice but most likely gone by the time we pick. So it makes sense for us to add a big playmaker in our weak secondary. Shane Ray looks like a force too but we have good linebackers already. So to me it makes sense to get Collins.

The free agent market is also loaded with quality guards and some defense nose tackle options as well. So its looking more and more like we probably will take Collins with the no. 5 pick.

hmmm, I don't think Collins will be TBA at #5 (though I like his play)
I think we pull the trigger on an Olineman or DE/LB

DarthMonk wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Free Agency is March 10th and the NFL Draft is March 30th ...

sorry DM - the draft is April 30th ... point is it's after free agency

I remember it being the other way and then switching (I think) the year we got hit with the cap penalty. Thought it went back.

I definitely remember people griping about having FA being first being kinda backwards ... or was it the other way around?

Then again, maybe I'm cust jonfused.

Oh well.

#shrug

fredp45 wrote:Sean was not a strong safety.

riggofan wrote:Sounds like Chip Kelly may really want to move up to get Mariota:

Report: Chip Kelly already plotting to move up for Marcus Mariota
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-mariota/

Assuming the trade value was right, would you trade down with the Eagles and let him get his man?

Countertrey wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds like Chip Kelly may really want to move up to get Mariota:

Report: Chip Kelly already plotting to move up for Marcus Mariota
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-mariota/

Assuming the trade value was right, would you trade down with the Eagles and let him get his man?

I would work hard to find another team that wanted him and was willing to deal..failing that, I'd deal with Philly only if they seriously over-pay.

Countertrey wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds like Chip Kelly may really want to move up to get Mariota:

Report: Chip Kelly already plotting to move up for Marcus Mariota
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-mariota/

Assuming the trade value was right, would you trade down with the Eagles and let him get his man?

I would work hard to find another team that wanted him and was willing to deal..failing that, I'd deal with Philly only if they seriously over-pay.

SkinsJock wrote:if Mariota is still available at 5 we can name our price

I just don't see Mariota being available at 5

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:if Mariota is still available at 5 we can name our price

I just don't see Mariota being available at 5

Its hard for me to see it either, but he's been dropping in a lot of mock drafts lately where just a few weeks ago he was presumed to be the #1 guy. NFL.com has him dropping all the way to #18!
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-draf ... oks/215607

A lot of questions about whether he can be good outside of the Oregon system.

DarthMonk wrote:I wonder where he is on Scott's board. If he's in Scot's top three and he's there when we pick ... brace yourselves.