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Re: Kirk Cousins trade - real possibility?
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:21 pm
by riggofan
KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not clear how you got out of my saying that for a #2 he's gone and for a #3 he stays that I think we'll get a #2 for him.
There isn't a person in this entire seven page thread who has said that the getting a #2 pick for Cousins this year is likely. But that hasn't stopped SkinsJock from disagreeing with all none of them. lol.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - real possibility?
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:49 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not clear how you got out of my saying that for a #2 he's gone and for a #3 he stays that I think we'll get a #2 for him.
There isn't a person in this entire seven page thread who has said that the getting a #2 pick for Cousins this year is likely. But that hasn't stopped SkinsJock from disagreeing with all none of them.
this thread was started on the premise that a trade for Cousins seemed like a "real possibility" on Feb 4 to someone
I did think it's possible but I doubted that the FO was going to trade him unless they got more than most thought he's worth - that's it ... that still has not happened
I did not think that there's a "real possibility" of a trade given that he's worth more to us than a 3rd round pick - it's that simple
maybe the FO was making a deal but it's been over 2 months - that's not a "real possibility" in anyone's estimation
you know what - maybe there's a real possibility we'll trade Cousins this season ... or maybe not
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - real possibility?
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:35 pm
by Kilmer72
In other words it might happen or it might not
The end!!!!
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - real possibility?
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:51 am
by KazooSkinsFan
SkinsJock wrote:riggofan wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not clear how you got out of my saying that for a #2 he's gone and for a #3 he stays that I think we'll get a #2 for him.
There isn't a person in this entire seven page thread who has said that the getting a #2 pick for Cousins this year is likely. But that hasn't stopped SkinsJock from disagreeing with all none of them.
this thread was started on the premise that a trade for Cousins seemed like a "real possibility" on Feb 4 to someone
I did think it's possible but I doubted that the FO was going to trade him unless they got more than most thought he's worth - that's it ... that still has not happened
I did not think that there's a "real possibility" of a trade given that he's worth more to us than a 3rd round pick - it's that simple
maybe the FO was making a deal but it's been over 2 months - that's not a "real possibility" in anyone's estimation
you know what - maybe there's a real possibility we'll trade Cousins this season ... or maybe not
Just so you know, when you use quotation marks, that means you are using the actual words of the person you are quoting. The phrase "real possibility" is not a quote, it's your paraphrase of what they said. They asked it as a question, but the way you interpreted it is not unreasonable. I'm just letting you know you don't put quote marks around paraphrases.
As for the content of your post, I think our only objection is that you're accusing anyone who discusses it with you of thinking we'll get a second round pick for him. That is not an accurate paraphrase, none of us said that.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:08 pm
by riggofan
I started the thread, so I know what I meant by "real possibility". If you continue to interpret "real possibility" as "likely possibility" that's just your own hang up. I've changed the thread title, so you can untwist your panties.
The thread was supposed to be a discussion of whether or not the rumors around the Browns had any truth to them. Did it make sense, could their interest in Cousins be real, could they be a legitimate trade partner, why or why not, etc;
If your entire contribution is just "THIS FO WILL NOT TRADE COUSINS UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES A GOOD TRADE OFFER", then ok, we get it. Brilliant bit of insight. In other news, the front office will not draft Jadeveon Clowney if another teams drafts him first.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:38 pm
by DarthMonk
riggofan wrote:I started the thread, so I know what I meant by "real possibility". If you continue to interpret "real possibility" as "likely possibility" that's just your own hang up. I've changed the thread title, so you can untwist your panties.
The thread was supposed to be a discussion of whether or not the rumors around the Browns had any truth to them. Did it make sense, could their interest in Cousins be real, could they be a legitimate trade partner, why or why not, etc;
If your entire contribution is just "THIS FO WILL NOT TRADE COUSINS UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES A GOOD TRADE OFFER", then ok, we get it. Brilliant bit of insight. In other news, the front office will not draft Jadeveon Clowney if another teams drafts him first.
Also, doesn't the title of the thread end with a "?" ... you know ... as opposed to a period or an "!"
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:41 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:I started the thread, so I know what I meant by "real possibility". If you continue to interpret "real possibility" as "likely possibility" that's just your own hang up. I've changed the thread title, so you can untwist your panties.
The thread was supposed to be a discussion of whether or not the rumors around the Browns had any truth to them. Did it make sense, could their interest in Cousins be real, could they be a legitimate trade partner, why or why not, etc;
If your entire contribution is just "THIS FO WILL NOT TRADE COUSINS UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES A GOOD TRADE OFFER", then ok, we get it. Brilliant bit of insight. In other news, the front office will not draft Jadeveon Clowney if another teams drafts him first.
gotcha!
it's STILL not a real possibility that we'll trade Cousins - we might, but ....
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:08 am
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:it's STILL not a real possibility that we'll trade Cousins - we might, but ....
Actually, by definition, it is. I suggest you invest in a dictionary.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:09 pm
by Countertrey
Wondering to self...
is quibbling the official sport of ozzie ex-pats?
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:26 pm
by riggofan
I see the Browns are kicking the tires on Vince Young right now. I predict Cousins value is about to rise...
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:41 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
riggofan wrote:I see the Browns are kicking the tires on Vince Young right now. I predict Cousins value is about to rise...
Making this real possibility a likely possibility if the terms are right for both parties..
Here SJ-
If it's possible, AND is within reasons then its a real possibility... me winning he lottery is just possible- Cousins to the browns is a real possibility.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:46 pm
by SkinsJock
it's a real possibility that's taking months to happen
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:06 pm
by SkinsJock
Countertrey wrote:Wondering to self... is quibbling the official sport of ozzie ex-pats?
I can see it being taken that way - I was trying to point out that Cousins is valuable as the back up QB - IMO the FO will only trade him if another franchise were to make a great offer - I do not see that as being very likely to happen - most media & NFL people have indicated that Cousins is "worth" a 3rd round pick - IMO he's worth a lot more
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:29 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
SkinsJock wrote::lol: it's a real possibility that's taking months to happen
Distinguishing what's possible is always arguable.. the wright brothers knew that flight was possible, anything Ian possible after all, and made it a real possibility through trial and error.
The tiresome back and forth by adding "real", "realistic", and "likely" in front of bball possible doesnt change the fact that anything is possible. Any fan with some sense would see that the McCoy signing gave this front office the luxury of shopping Cousins. We can go know and on about what we personally feel Cousins worth is.. fact remains he was a fourth rounder, has shown some grit vs Baltimore and the Brown's his rookie year, then probably lost some value playing mediocre vs some pretty crummy teams in year two. Depending on how bad a team needs a guy, and if cousin's even fits into the mold of what their guy looks like; Cousins value changes just from gm to gm just like on this board.
It's likely that Cousins is traded to a qb needy team if another team reaches and takes the guy they were targeting... I for one see Cousins and McCoy as one and the same.. back up qbs who are serviceable. McCoy having more game time experience would be more suited for the roll.. where as Cousins can be groomed and POSSIBLY a starter for a team that can't get anyone better.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:43 am
by Deadskins
Countertrey wrote:Wondering to self...
is quibbling the official sport of ozzie ex-pats?
Yeah, I should have said an Ozzie to English dictionary.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:32 am
by KazooSkinsFan
SkinsJock wrote:Countertrey wrote:Wondering to self... is quibbling the official sport of ozzie ex-pats?
I can see it being taken that way - I was trying to point out that Cousins is valuable as the back up QB - IMO the FO will only trade him if another franchise were to make a great offer - I do not see that as being very likely to happen - most media & NFL people have indicated that Cousins is "worth" a 3rd round pick - IMO he's worth a lot more
There's liquidation value and replacement cost. In liquidation value, he's worth a third round pick. The problem with liquidating him is he's our backup, it's not worth a third round pick to not have a competent backup.
Just so you know, that point does not mean I think we'll get a second round pick for him...
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:36 am
by KazooSkinsFan
Deadskins wrote:Countertrey wrote:Wondering to self...
is quibbling the official sport of ozzie ex-pats?
Yeah, I should have said an Ozzie to English dictionary.
Then we'll get a Brit to explain it to us?
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:29 am
by riggofan
I love the word "quibbling". lol.
I'm sure I wrote this before. My interest in the Browns rumor was not how likely they were to pull the trigger on this trade. It was that the Browns look to me like the first team that might be a REAL, legitimate trade partner.
They have:
1) Several extra draft picks.
2) A glaring need at QB
3) An OC who just happens to be Kyle Shanahan
I would also add that they're not a terrible team, personnel wise. If they had a better QB, I would think they could improve quite a bit from last year. I'm not sure you can say that same thing if they trot out a rookie QB on day one.
For all that IMHO its not unrealistic to think Cousins might be worth a second round pick to THE CLEVELAND BROWNS.
Who cares what other teams in the NFL and the media see Cousins value at? Its not like we're going to agree to trade Cousins for a third rounder because Skip Bayless says that is what he is worth. The team has said they want a second rounder for him.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:57 am
by emoses14
We wouldn't need a consensus that Kirk is worth a 2nd round pick, we'd only need one team to think so.
/Cpt. Obvious, out.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:18 pm
by crazyhorse1
Unfortunately, I think Cousins' performance last year has drastically reduced his value. He was an ordinary player who threw too many interceptions.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:24 pm
by SkinsJock
crazyhorse1 wrote:Unfortunately, I think Cousins' performance last year has drastically reduced his value. He was an ordinary player who threw too many interceptions.
well, to those of us that would rather have Cousins stay as #2 behind Robert, that's certainly a relief
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:11 pm
by SkinsJock
KazooSkinsFan wrote:There's liquidation value and replacement cost.
In liquidation value, he's worth a third round pick. The problem with liquidating him is he's our backup, it's not worth a third round pick to not have a competent backup.
Just so you know, that point does not mean I think we'll get a second round pick for him...
thanks - I really do get it - I'd also like to get a 2nd round pick for Cousins - I'd be happier to have him as the back up for this year ...
AND
I'm glad they picked up McCoy - I hope he'll push Cousins to try and be a better QB - I just think he's gone after TC
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:05 pm
by DarthMonk
Kirk Cousins - QB - Redskins
An NFL executive told ESPN Redskins reporter John Keim that Kirk Cousins "at most" is worth a third-round pick.
Speculation of a Cousins-to-Cleveland trade hasn't gone away deep into the pre-draft process, and may continue into Thursday based on Cousins' history with new Browns OC Kyle Shanahan. The most likely outcome remains Cousins toting the clipboard for at least one more year behind Robert Griffin III in D.C. There are increasing signs pointing to the Browns drafting a quarterback high.
Related: Browns
Source: ESPN.com May 4 - 2:22 PM
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:48 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Pretty much the consensus.
His value is really in the eye of the beholder tho.. in sure his value is low to a team with a franchise qb and viable option at back up..
Now to a team who is sitting in the second round watching their guy get drafted by another tteam and has a qb they arent confiden in moving fwd, Cousins will have a lot more value.
Re: Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 6:19 pm
by fredp45
If we think he's a NFL starter, keep him and trade him later. Don't "give" him away...
A team like Arizona (Palmer) or Oakland (Shaub) might give us a good player or pick if their starters get hurt or play crappy early on.
Again, don't give him away...