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Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:24 pm
by Irn-Bru
riggofan wrote:There is no number. Snyder could fire the Shanahans today, and I would argue that they have already done plenty of good for the franchise.
Me too. I also hope they don't get fired today.
1) Got Vinny Cerrato the hell out of here. Pushed Snyder out of football ops.
2) Cleaned up our terrible salary cap practices. Take a look at the amount of dead money on our books now compared to other teams. We only have something like $100K of dead money on the books. Compare that to the Cowboys who have $11M.
3) Four years of quality draft picks. Compare his picks with Cerrato.
4) Brought in Pierre Garcon.
6) Unexpectedly took us to a playoff game last year with a rookie QB.
7) This one is debatable but IMO drafted the player who should be our franchise QB for the next 5-7 years at least.
Agreed on all these points.
5) Finally found a REAL KICKER. Anybody want to take a look at our history of kickers the past 20 years. Its the only thing worse than our history of QBs the past two decades.
But I part ways with you here. I really wish Kai Forbath was a keeper, because we will never get another kicker with as cool a nickname. But . . . he just doesn't have the leg to be a long-term solution. And I suspect he really is maxing out his production on kickoffs with us, what with the undersized shoe and all that. We need someone who can boot the ball out of the endzone half the time and force touchbacks another 25% of the time. Forbath rarely gets it into the endzone. Despite his nice run on FGs last year, I also don't see him as a clutch, game-winning kicker either.
I've said this many times before, but if this is what we got from Shanahan the past four years, I am satisfied. Finally getting rid of Vinny was the best thing to happen to this franchise in a decade. Even St. Joe didn't do that for us.
If Shanahan gets another year to see what he can do with this team, I'm ok with it. If not, I think he's fixed a lot of issues and put down a foundation that the next coaching staff has something legit to work with.
Agreed.
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:09 pm
by riggofan
Irn-Bru wrote:But I part ways with you here. I really wish Kai Forbath was a keeper, because we will never get another kicker with as cool a nickname. But . . . he just doesn't have the leg to be a long-term solution. And I suspect he really is maxing out his production on kickoffs with us, what with the undersized shoe and all that. We need someone who can boot the ball out of the endzone half the time and force touchbacks another 25% of the time. Forbath rarely gets it into the endzone. Despite his nice run on FGs last year, I also don't see him as a clutch, game-winning kicker either.
lol. I'll buy that argument and definitely agree the kickoffs have been disappointing. That position has just been SUCH a killer for so long. 19 kickers since 1994. The NFL average in that time is 8. And we haven't just had a lot of turnover, we've had bad kicker after bad kicker. I can't help but feel like Kai has been an improvement.
The Redskins kickers, listed in order of field-goal attempts since 1994: Suisham, Gano, Conway, Hall, Blanton, Murray, Lohmiller, Blanchard, Novak, Tuthill, Cundiff, Kimrin, Cortez, Husted, Chandler, Heppner, Akers, Bentley.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... g-changes/
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:10 pm
by riggofan
Hooligan wrote:I'll make a prediction now: the next HC of this franchise will credit Shanahan for the foundation he and Allen set in place.
Yep. Bookmark this.
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:53 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
riggofan wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:But I part ways with you here. I really wish Kai Forbath was a keeper, because we will never get another kicker with as cool a nickname. But . . . he just doesn't have the leg to be a long-term solution. And I suspect he really is maxing out his production on kickoffs with us, what with the undersized shoe and all that. We need someone who can boot the ball out of the endzone half the time and force touchbacks another 25% of the time. Forbath rarely gets it into the endzone. Despite his nice run on FGs last year, I also don't see him as a clutch, game-winning kicker either.
lol. I'll buy that argument and definitely agree the kickoffs have been disappointing. That position has just been SUCH a killer for so long. 19 kickers since 1994. The NFL average in that time is 8. And we haven't just had a lot of turnover, we've had bad kicker after bad kicker. I can't help but feel like Kai has been an improvement.
The Redskins kickers, listed in order of field-goal attempts since 1994: Suisham, Gano, Conway, Hall, Blanton, Murray, Lohmiller, Blanchard, Novak, Tuthill, Cundiff, Kimrin, Cortez, Husted, Chandler, Heppner, Akers, Bentley.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... g-changes/
Just to stir the pot.. how many of them were bad kickers and how many had bad special teams? Gano? most blocked ever (jus sayin, don't look it up) has the skins record and has had a stellar year.... on a different team. Cundwhiff is still employed, as is suisham. Our fg line is just as pourus as our o line... Akers? What a a kicker he turned out to be! For someone else of course... Smh
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:23 am
by SkinsJock
Forbath's a pretty good FG kicker but he does not have a 'leg' like Gano - that boy is going to be kicking in the NFL for a while
we're not going to see Forbath here for much longer unless he figures out how to get the ball deep on kick offs
Kicking is a concern but it's not a big deal - we need to play as well as we are capable
I will say this - I am starting to think that there may be something going on between Kyle and Robert …
I hope this is not the case but if it is it could be a major problem …
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:13 am
by HTTRRG3ALMO
WOW...shocked on the lack of love for Forbath here.
But I understand as well; I'd rather us sign Potter for cheap as our kick off specialist. Shoot, teach him how to punt while you're at it.
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:24 am
by Irn-Bru
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:WOW...shocked on the lack of love for Forbath here.
But I understand as well; I'd rather us sign Potter for cheap as our kick off specialist. Shoot, teach him how to punt while you're at it.
A punter/kickoff specialist would be amazing.
Re: How do you fix this?
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:27 pm
by Kilmer72
Irn-Bru wrote:HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:WOW...shocked on the lack of love for Forbath here.
But I understand as well; I'd rather us sign Potter for cheap as our kick off specialist. Shoot, teach him how to punt while you're at it.
A punter/kickoff specialist would be amazing.
Last great Redskin Kicker IMO
Moseley’s MVP campaign got off to an inauspicious start. To begin with, he was almost replaced. Washington coach Joe Gibbs’ staff told Moseley to not even bother showing up for training camp. His job belonged to Dan Miller, drafted by the Redskins that offseason. Moseley came anyway and was named a starter after Miller imploded in the preseason. He also didn’t handle kickoffs during season. Gibbs worried Moseley might aggravate a muscle pull, so Jeff Hayes kicked off.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... y-in-weirdhttp://www.bohnbooks.com/2011/12/31/mar ... n-kickers/http://veteranpresence.com/FPOTM/moseley.html