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SkinsJock wrote:I think this sums it up ... "the idea that Griffin would, or should, sit until the bye week a month into the season isn't grounded in reality"

I don't know much about this game but I do know that when you have a "weapon" like this kid and there is ZERO reason not to use it - you play him

Yeah I'm pretty sure that was Shanahan's thinking last December. lol.

And don't get your panties all twisted up. I pretty much agree with what you're saying. Although I am kind of laughing that you're breaking out Jason LaCanfora to back up your point. That dude has less credibility around here than Skip Bayless!

^^ - good point I cannot stand that idiot LaCanfora (or Bayless) either ...

I'm not sure what Mike was thinking the last few games - I am sure that he knows that he (and others) made some really stupid decisions and he's learned a lot from all that ..
IMHO as soon as Mike knew there was a good chance RG3 would be able to play, he started muddying the water - Mike is as devious as they come & will try anything to get an edge

I think, most of us are on the same page here - Mike will have RG3 at QB ONLY when he is sure that the knee can take a hit


my 'issue' about possibly holding him out is that I feel, granted, nobody knows for sure, that the knee is a lot 'better' than most realize because of the use of stem cells + the incredible athlete that is RG3 ...

I understand that some think that he needs more time - no worries - I agree, we'd possibly be OK with Cousins ..

BECAUSE the Dr, Mike (and RG3) are not worried about the knee taking a hit, he should be playing ...
we're a better offense with RG3 and I do not think that he's risking anything by playing - any more than playing in the NFL, that is

SkinsJock wrote:^^ - good point I cannot stand that idiot LaCanfora (or Bayless) either ...

I'm not sure what Mike was thinking the last few games - I am sure that he knows that he (and others) made some really stupid decisions and he's learned a lot from all that ..

I'll just say personally I can't blame Coach on that one, even if it turned out to be the wrong decision in hindsight.

I'm sure you remember a lot of debate on here last December during those last few games when RGIII was just gimpy. Should he play him or not. I'll fully admit I was one of the guys saying, "You gotta play your best players." A lot of folks on here were saying, "Bench him, protect your franchise QB for the future."

I just know from my own coaching experience, I have definitely stuck with my more talented "injured" players in big games over healthier kids. It can be really difficult to be thinking long term, big picture at times when you have a chance to win NOW.

I agree with that - everyone involved, Mike, Kyle, Dr Andrews and RG3 were all not being really honest with each other and all were wanting to believe what they were being 'told', while not believing what they (and we) were 'seeing'

I really believe that all those involved, really learned from what happened and they are all (and we the fans too) are incredibly fortunate that Dr Andrews was able to do what he did ..

anything can happen in this game but I think that this kid will be an even better QB than he was last season - he will definitely be a better leader and better team player than he was

I'd say you're 100% right about that, SJ, if the handling of RGIII so far this offseason has been any indication.

I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Not really. It would have been different if it was just RGIII who was struggling that game, but we had problems across the board. I'm not sure I ever felt like that game would turn right around if we just put Cousins in. lol.

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Is Cousins even still injured? He wasn't inactive, and had RGIII been hurt, would have been in the game. Better RGIII get the rust off now, than later, IMHO.

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Ummm.... no.

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Ummm.... no.

X 2 - the thought never occured to me either

RG3 was not great - we had many other issues than that ...

RG3 gives this offense a much better chance at success than either Kirk or Rex

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Yes. Glad I wasn't the only, either. I fully expected Griffin to score 55 points in the second half and was wondering who would come in to relieve him during mop up duty late in the fourth.

Ok I have a question, would this discussion even be going on if RG3 had 5 touch downs no INT's and 400 passing yards?? I mean you guys have to give him a break, when was the last time he was in an actual real game? It was even said that he barely got any snaps during TC if any at all plus no playing time in the preseason.
The guy is human, regardless of how he's portrayed in the media and it's going to take time for him to shake the rust off and by the 3rd quarter against the Eagles he was almost back to his old self, well as close to his old self as he can possibly get with a reconstructed knee.

Ok I have a question, would this discussion even be going on if RG3 had 5 touch downs no INT's and 400 passing yards?? I mean you guys have to give him a break, when was the last time he was in an actual real game? It was even said that he barely got any snaps during TC if any at all plus no playing time in the preseason.
The guy is human, regardless of how he's portrayed in the media and it's going to take time for him to shake the rust off and by the 3rd quarter against the Eagles he was almost back to his old self, well as close to his old self as he can possibly get with a reconstructed knee.

luvrofthegame wrote:Ok I have a question, would this discussion even be going on if RG3 had 5 touch downs no INT's and 400 passing yards?? I mean you guys have to give him a break, when was the last time he was in an actual real game? It was even said that he barely got any snaps during TC if any at all plus no playing time in the preseason.
The guy is human, regardless of how he's portrayed in the media and it's going to take time for him to shake the rust off and by the 3rd quarter against the Eagles he was almost back to his old self, well as close to his old self as he can possibly get with a reconstructed knee.

+1

Deadskins wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Is Cousins even still injured? He wasn't inactive, and had RGIII been hurt, would have been in the game. Better RGIII get the rust off now, than later, IMHO.

Cousins not still injured but did not play several quarters he otherwise would have in preseason due to injury.

Cousins was active.

I was worried about Griff on a few hits. There was one where he got flipped over and looked stressed just before the flip when contact made him plant very hard on the leg and, by extension, the knee. Then he went into the "on all fours" pose and that's when I started to worry a bit and that's when the thought crossed my mind. Cuz Cousins getting hurt a few weeks ago put more pressure on Mike (IMO) to start Griff week one.

This thought was all about possiblly waiting until the bye and how Cousins' foot injury may have affected that decision, not about Kirk's ability to come in as a sub aganst the Eags.

This gif is the play I'm mentioning. It starts a fraction late, just after the maximum hard plant of the right leg.



Ddi anyone else at least hold their breath on this one or a few others?

DarthMonk wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I know Griff had to knock off the rust eventually but did anyone else find themselves thinking something like "it's too bad cousins hurt his foot" during the game??

Is Cousins even still injured? He wasn't inactive, and had RGIII been hurt, would have been in the game. Better RGIII get the rust off now, than later, IMHO.

Cousins not still injured but did not play several quarters he otherwise would have in preseason due to injury.

Cousins was active.

I was worried about Griff on a few hits. There was one where he got flipped over and looked stressed just before the flip when contact made him plant very hard on the leg and, by extension, the knee. Then he went into the "on all fours" pose and that's when I started to worry a bit and that's when the thought crossed my mind. Cuz Cousins getting hurt a few weeks ago put more pressure on Mike (IMO) to start Griff week one.

This thought was all about possiblly waiting until the bye and how Cousins' foot injury may have affected that decision, not about Kirk's ability to come in as a sub aganst the Eags.

This gif is the play I'm mentioning. It starts a fraction late, just after the maximum hard plant of the right leg.



Ddi anyone else at least hold their breath on this one or a few others?

Thanks for posting this! This was what I was referring to in my last comment.

luvrofthegame wrote:Ok I have a question, would this discussion even be going on if RG3 had 5 touch downs no INT's and 400 passing yards??

Of course not. We'd all be grinning from ear to ear and smack talking all the Eagle fans we work with.