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langleyparkjoe wrote:Deadskins wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:*side note*..
I like da avatar Mursilis.. congrats!
+1. Too bad you didn't get it seven or eight weeks ago, it might have gone far.
Oh dag was it that long ago? You gotta remember bro that I don't come in the public area too much. I'm usually cruisin in smack while gettin --->
CanesSkins26 wrote:Contrary to the belief of armchair fans like Ray, 2 1/2 year is not long enough to overhaul a roster and build a winning organization when we were as bad as we were. I expect to see progress this year, and I did. I expect to see more progress next year. If at the end of year four we're still 6-10 or so, then yeah, you're getting my attention. But advocating starting over now is just crazy.
If 2.5 years isnt enough, how do you explain the Colts' turnaround? Do you really think that they have more talent than the Redskins? A 2-14 team is now 5-3, and they are in year 1 of a switch to a 3-4 and playing better than our D in year 3. And all of this with their head coach away from the team fighting cancer.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:-Joe Gibbs couldn't overcome it. ( u can bring up his playoff appearances but they were flukish. they aren't sustainable, nor consistent. and they barely got in.)
fetus wrote:this is simply ridiculous,
if we fire every coach after 3 years then we will be in this position for the rest of the history of the NFL.
There is a reason that people laugh at us when we try to say anything positive about our team and the reason is our blatant over-reaction to every word spoken by players or coaches.
I am glad Shannahan said what he did, and I hope he meant it how everyone thinks he did, you have to put a fire under the whole organizations ass if you want to win games, and by him saying this, maybe it will encourage our team to not give up, maybe they will think "hmmm if i don't give it my all these last few games, I may no be here next year", and let's think about these players on our team... how many of them can actually go to another NFL team and start.... not a lot, so guess what, time to play and play hard, or you could be gone. That can also be directed toward the coaching staff.
Every team will have a bad game/season/lose to teams they shouldn't... didn't the rams beat the saints by like 40 points last year or so...
If Shanny and the coaching staff is gone after this year, then we will be signing $100 million fat pieces of *sh$t* again and we will have to live with 2-14 for the rest of our lives.
You have to give the staff a chance, although Haz can't coach high school d's and DeAngelo can't cover a baby with a blanket, you have to wait til all the pieces are in place and we actually have a team that can finish a game and play d and o.
Did you really expect our secondary to be good this year... who did we bring in, Cedric Griffin, Brandon Meriweather, Madipoo Williams.... wtf is that. To go with MeAngelo, Josh Wilson, Reed Doughty, and DeJon Mustard.... we have no one there!If we go through this coaching carousel, that we are all so used to, again, we are in the same boat we were 2.5 years ago, but we have a franchise QB.
If Shanny goes and we bring in a few secondary pieces, and go to the playoffs next year or when ever he is gone, and actually look good,
remember who drafted RG3 and made the deal possible and who rebuilt this team from almost scratch. Remember who found 2 decent and 1 damn good running backs way late in the draft.
If he goes credit who actually built this team when we become something
oneman56 wrote:fetus wrote:this is simply ridiculous,
if we fire every coach after 3 years then we will be in this position for the rest of the history of the NFL.
There is a reason that people laugh at us when we try to say anything positive about our team and the reason is our blatant over-reaction to every word spoken by players or coaches.
I am glad Shannahan said what he did, and I hope he meant it how everyone thinks he did, you have to put a fire under the whole organizations ass if you want to win games, and by him saying this, maybe it will encourage our team to not give up, maybe they will think "hmmm if i don't give it my all these last few games, I may no be here next year", and let's think about these players on our team... how many of them can actually go to another NFL team and start.... not a lot, so guess what, time to play and play hard, or you could be gone. That can also be directed toward the coaching staff.
Every team will have a bad game/season/lose to teams they shouldn't... didn't the rams beat the saints by like 40 points last year or so...
If Shanny and the coaching staff is gone after this year, then we will be signing $100 million fat pieces of *sh$t* again and we will have to live with 2-14 for the rest of our lives.
You have to give the staff a chance, although Haz can't coach high school d's and DeAngelo can't cover a baby with a blanket, you have to wait til all the pieces are in place and we actually have a team that can finish a game and play d and o.
Did you really expect our secondary to be good this year... who did we bring in, Cedric Griffin, Brandon Meriweather, Madipoo Williams.... wtf is that. To go with MeAngelo, Josh Wilson, Reed Doughty, and DeJon Mustard.... we have no one there!If we go through this coaching carousel, that we are all so used to, again, we are in the same boat we were 2.5 years ago, but we have a franchise QB.
If Shanny goes and we bring in a few secondary pieces, and go to the playoffs next year or when ever he is gone, and actually look good,
remember who drafted RG3 and made the deal possible and who rebuilt this team from almost scratch. Remember who found 2 decent and 1 damn good running backs way late in the draft.
If he goes credit who actually built this team when we become something
Who's responsible for these players being here ? The coaching staff is! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you want Shanny to stay fine, if you want him to go that's fine too. Both sides are making some valid statements that should be acknowledged. You can say it takes 5 years to right this ship and you may be correct but we could and should be further along than the same record at the same point in the year 3 years in a row losing to a 1-6 team at home. This secondary isn't any worse personnel wise than last years with Atogwe and Landry who were both injured yet it's performing worse (maybe Raheem is to blame, I don't know). I think it's fair to criticize the head coach at this point and if you want to defend him and say he should stay, don't point out the players being bad..the same players he drafted or signed in FA. You can argue cap hits, FA $ being spent on Garcon, etc but at the end of the day this is the team the coaching staff selected.
Deadskins wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:Deadskins wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:*side note*..
I like da avatar Mursilis.. congrats!
+1. Too bad you didn't get it seven or eight weeks ago, it might have gone far.
Oh dag was it that long ago? You gotta remember bro that I don't come in the public area too much. I'm usually cruisin in smack while gettin --->
No, I'm saying Mursilis' shiny new avatar might have gone far in the playoffs.
DaSkinz Baby wrote:They have tape on him now and all of a sudden our receivers can't catch AIDS with a dirty needle??
Deadskins wrote:DaSkinz Baby wrote:They have tape on him now and all of a sudden our receivers can't catch AIDS with a dirty needle??
So, you're saying our receivers' drops the last two games are because other teams have tape on RGIII now?
Deadskins wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Contrary to the belief of armchair fans like Ray, 2 1/2 year is not long enough to overhaul a roster and build a winning organization when we were as bad as we were. I expect to see progress this year, and I did. I expect to see more progress next year. If at the end of year four we're still 6-10 or so, then yeah, you're getting my attention. But advocating starting over now is just crazy.
If 2.5 years isnt enough, how do you explain the Colts' turnaround? Do you really think that they have more talent than the Redskins? A 2-14 team is now 5-3, and they are in year 1 of a switch to a 3-4 and playing better than our D in year 3. And all of this with their head coach away from the team fighting cancer.
When did the Colts start playing in the NFC East again?
KazooSkinsFan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:The Colts were a good team? They gutted their roster this offseason. They released or lost 15 players, including Manning (obviously), Addai, Gary Brackett, Dallas Clarck, Garçon, Melvin Bullitt, Anthony Gonzalez, and Jeff Saturday. Here is their final 53 man roster from the offseason...
[url]rapidreports/20009421/indianapolis-colts-final-53man-roster[/url]
That roster has less overall talent than ours does and they have suffered some big injuries on defense like we have. Yet in year one, with their coach away from the team, and in the first year of a switch to a 3-4 (which in Redskins land takes at least 3 years to implement apparently) they are farther along in their rebuild than we are. You can make all the excuses that you want (practice bubble, really?), but we should be seeing more tangible results in year 3 than we are currently seeing.
You identified one team that turned around in less then 2.5 years, therefore we should fire Shannahan. Wow, you convinced me.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Deadskins wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Contrary to the belief of armchair fans like Ray, 2 1/2 year is not long enough to overhaul a roster and build a winning organization when we were as bad as we were. I expect to see progress this year, and I did. I expect to see more progress next year. If at the end of year four we're still 6-10 or so, then yeah, you're getting my attention. But advocating starting over now is just crazy.
If 2.5 years isnt enough, how do you explain the Colts' turnaround? Do you really think that they have more talent than the Redskins? A 2-14 team is now 5-3, and they are in year 1 of a switch to a 3-4 and playing better than our D in year 3. And all of this with their head coach away from the team fighting cancer.
When did the Colts start playing in the NFC East again?
The NFC East has become a joke. Right up there with the AFC West as the worst division in the NFL. You have the Giants and....3 sorry teams with losing records. It's time to stop pretending that the NFC East is a top division.
CanesSkins26 wrote:The NFC East has become a joke. Right up there with the AFC West as the worst division in the NFL. You have the Giants and....3 sorry teams with losing records. It's time to stop pretending that the NFC East is a top division.
CanesSkins26 wrote:I didn't say we should fire Shanahan. In fact if you READ, I said earlier in this thread I think Shanahan should get one more season.
CanesSkins26 wrote:This isn't surprising for you, however, since you like to put words in other people's mouths and make things up to fit your agenda.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:You're a fair weather fan anyway, whatever.
langleyparkjoe wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:You're a fair weather fan anyway, whatever.
Proof????
langleyparkjoe wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:You're a fair weather fan anyway, whatever.
Proof????
CanesSkins26 wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:You're a fair weather fan anyway, whatever.
Proof????
Since when does Kazoo offer proof for anything that he says?
It's easy to bash the team when we lost three in a row. Too easy. Pointlessly easy. But you want to do that then whine about me? How dare I defend the Redskins on ... The Hogs ...
This is football, I advocate my team. And defend them against people who hate on them.
I don't care if I'm wrong. I advocate in politics freedom from government. I am not on a side, I advocate whoever supports that.
HEROHAMO wrote:We have to remember the cap ramifications from the off season.
here comes this guy with common sense.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Contrary to the belief of armchair fans like Ray, 2 1/2 year is not long enough to overhaul a roster and build a winning organization when we were as bad as we were. I expect to see progress this year, and I did. I expect to see more progress next year. If at the end of year four we're still 6-10 or so, then yeah, you're getting my attention. But advocating starting over now is just crazy.
If 2.5 years isnt enough, how do you explain the Colts' turnaround? Do you really think that they have more talent than the Redskins? A 2-14 team is now 5-3, and they are in year 1 of a switch to a 3-4 and playing better than our D in year 3. And all of this with their head coach away from the team fighting cancer.
I always love the "Tom Brady" argument. I actually don't need to "explain" anyone who turned around in less than 2.5 years to argue that it's not normal. There are 32 teams, many of them bad and most of them stay that way more than 2.5 years. And you didn't even support the Colts were as bad as all around bad as our Jim Zorn team was, you just pointed to a one year record.
CanesSkins26 wrote:I don't care if I'm wrong. I advocate in politics freedom from government. I am not on a side, I advocate whoever supports that.
Thanks for the laugh I needed that.
