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cowboykillerzRED wrote:Then u go and throw the smallest guy on the team under the bus? BB prolly seen the endzone more then a lot of the bums on our team- since they get called back due to other bums being awful at football BB is a bum? Str8 haterism player

I could care zero if whoever thinks i'm a hater, everyone here knows the extent my loyalty goes... newbie.

Hell for that matter, I'll take Banks over Hankerson too !!!!

hahahahhaha.. a bum replacing a bum.. GENIOUS!

Very glad we beefed up the WR corp to give RG3 someone to look for.

Irn-Bru wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I think Davis is taking over and not looking back. What we saw from ey even when he was relatively healthy during either of the last two seasons was not great. Personally I think the concussion has taken the wind out of his sails, something I can't blame him for. We'd probably have been best off trading him 2 years ago but it's obviously too late now. Worth keeping on the roster to see if he can revive his career, but again I have little expectation that he will.

The past two seasons, really? You must not remember that 2010 only two TEs caught more passes than he did and only three TEs had more yards than he did. And neither of them were Fred Davis.

I remember. And he also had several fumbles and a number of drops, and in general his completions gave us less bang for the buck than they had in previous years (measured in "success" plays like 1st downs and TDs). I do not rank his play as "great" in that year, and as I said I suspect his concussion in the previous year had a lot to do with it. He often looked lost on the field.

Sure Davis has a higher y/c, but he folks a different role than ey. Fred is a guy that wil always have a high y/c but will never be anywhere near the top of the receptions leader list.

Nonsense. He was on pace to be in the top 10 of the NFL for WR/TEs last year. Sure, his own stupid off-field mistake cost him the last four games, but to say he's not even capable of getting up there — with a quality QB throwing to him now — is certainly wrong.

And it looks like Fred is playing his last year for the Skins. The team only signed him to a one year deal and they are training his replacement (NP). I don't see anyone pn the roster that could take CC role.

Niles Paul to replace Fred Davis? I don't think the coaches are that stupid. In fact he looks more like ey's replacement to me.

Davis only signed a one-year deal because both the Redskins and Davis lacked an incentive to sign anything long-term. The Skins because he might very well get knocked out of the league for a year, and Davis because he stands to make much more money by putting his head down and having a great season. I hope he keeps himself clean and we resign him when the time comes.

You're right about ey having a few fumbles (3) but he only lost one of those and I have no idea how many drops he had 2010, but according to Pro football focus ey was the 9th best TE percentage wise for dropping coachable balls between 2008-2010. He dropped 13 out of 202 coachable balls. Davis during that time frame was one of the worst, he dropped the same number (13) as ey, but only had 85 catchable balls tossed his way in those three years, or he dropped about one out of every 6 to 7 catchable balls thrown to him.

ey didn't make many plays in 2010... He only had 40 first downs (or every other catch was a first), he only had 9 plays of 20 yards or more (or one out of every 8 or 9 catches) was a big play. Sure his TDs were down (only 3) but is that his fault our the result of play calling and poor QB play?

Davis was on place to have a top five season (or your average Chris ey healthy season) but he didn't. He should da, could da, would da if he hadn't voluntarily sat out the last four games. Yes, I said voluntarily. He failed what three or four drug test for a known banned substance. That is volunteering to sit out if you ask me. He was going to be suspended for a year if Bruce Allen and the NFLPA hadn't gotten one of the test thrown out.

One off field indiscretion my (round, hairy, upper leg area)!

riggofan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I hope he keeps himself clean and we resign him when the time comes.

This MUST happen. He's an elite talent that's been held back multiple factors, some of which are on him and others that aren't.

I'm a little worried that we didn't do something to resign him this summer. Obviously there is risk involved because of the possible suspension, but now we risk losing an elite player at the end of the season.

We can always franchise him again.

langleyparkjoe wrote:I truly hope Hankerson has a great season so we can trade him for some picks..

#thingsthatworkonlyinMADDEN

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:I truly hope Hankerson has a great season so we can trade him for some picks..

#thingsthatworkonlyinMADDEN

I couldn't get a #wishfulthinking ?

skinsfan#33 wrote:You're right about ey having a few fumbles (3) but he only lost one of those and I have no idea how many drops he had 2010, but according to Pro football focus ey was the 9th best TE percentage wise for dropping coachable balls between 2008-2010. He dropped 13 out of 202 coachable balls.

The number I saw with quick googling was 6 for 2010, but I'm not putting too much weight on that; I'm also going off my memory.

I don't think we are on the same page if you think that I'm arguing that ey from 2008-2010 wasn't good. I pinpointed where I thought things changed (the concussion, which if I recall correctly was in 2009) and noted that during the following two years ey was not great even when healthy.

All of this nitpicking over Davis is a distraction, too, because I've never said Davis is already more accomplished than ey was. My position is that Davis has shown the skills and talent to merit the starting role, especially when one considers ey's relative decline. Obviously the main question mark is whether he can stay clean; with how much money is on the line, I believe he will.

Davis's best years are still in front of him; I doubt ey's are. There is a clear trend here that I think is unlikely to reverse. We might get a little more out of ey before he's done for good, but we could very well see dominance out of Davis over these next few seasons.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:I hear you, and I'm not holding it against the team. Personally I expect that Fred is going to play well this year and redeem himself. I would hate to lose him to another team at the end of the season. Although I guess we could tag him one more time if needed?

And you know what, if the Redskins gave him big money and screwed for it. You'd all be out here with pitchforks. They're darned if they do, darned if they don't. You can't please everyone.

True, no doubt. We should have one motivated TE on our team this season either way.

Irn-Bru wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:You're right about ey having a few fumbles (3) but he only lost one of those and I have no idea how many drops he had 2010, but according to Pro football focus ey was the 9th best TE percentage wise for dropping coachable balls between 2008-2010. He dropped 13 out of 202 coachable balls.

The number I saw with quick googling was 6 for 2010, but I'm not putting too much weight on that; I'm also going off my memory.

I don't think we are on the same page if you think that I'm arguing that ey from 2008-2010 wasn't good. I pinpointed where I thought things changed (the concussion, which if I recall correctly was in 2009) and noted that during the following two years ey was not great even when healthy.

All of this nitpicking over Davis is a distraction, too, because I've never said Davis is already more accomplished than ey was. My position is that Davis has shown the skills to merit the starting role, especially when one considers ey's relative decline. His best years are still in front of him; I doubt ey's are. There is a clear trend here that I think is unlikely to reverse. We might get a little more out of ey before he's done for good, but we could very well see dominance out of Davis over these next few seasons.

I thought ey's lack of explosive plays in 2010 (even though the stats say other wise) was more of a product of the fact that he hurt his knee in the first 2 or 3 games of 2010.

Sure he played through the pain in that season but he was obviuosly in pain for many of the games. ey say himself that the lockout hurt his rehab in the offseason bewteen 10 and 11. Now should he have taken himself to a Dr. and gotten all the physical therapy that he needed for rehab? Sure. So bad on him!

Now that is knee is healthy (or as healthy as a 30 year old NFL player's knee is going to be and he lost some weight I expect that he will again be the leading TE on the team. He will again finish among the top 10 in catches and yards.

You don't think he will and that is fine. I had a problem with you saying he wasn't a factor in 2010 when he rightfully should have been a probowler.

I don't trust Tokey Davis. He failed multiple drug test even though he knew he would be tested and has said that he doesn't need to change his lifestyle

Really?!

I wouldn't give him a long term deal if I had no other choice. Even if Paul doesn't prove that he can replace Davis (and that is who I think the coaches have in mind for him to replace) I don't think Davis will be back with the team in 2013. If he has a great season they won't be able to afford him (thanks to Mara and Godahell) and if he has a so, so season he will be gone too. I don't trust him and I don't think the Shannys do either.

Of course this is just my opinion like you have your opinion. I just had to point out that your opinion of his play in 2010 certainly wasn't backed up by the facts.

As far as the future at TE for the Skins, my opinion is it is neither, but if someone put a gun to my head and said you have to guess who will be here longer and your life depends on it I would have to go with ey. Because while I don't think it is a lock Chris is on the team opening day of 2012 I think it is an almost a given FD won't be on the roster come this time next year and ey might be.

skinsfan#33 wrote:I don't trust Tokey Davis. He failed multiple drug test even though he knew he would be tested and has said that he doesn't need to change his lifestyle

Really?!

Good post!!!!!!

That's like getting fired on your day off.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:I hear you, and I'm not holding it against the team. Personally I expect that Fred is going to play well this year and redeem himself. I would hate to lose him to another team at the end of the season. Although I guess we could tag him one more time if needed?

And you know what, if the Redskins gave him big money and screwed for it. You'd all be out here with pitchforks. They're darned if they do, darned if they don't. You can't please everyone.


They found a nice middle ground.

Tagging him in 2013 will $6,480,000 in cap space...

1niksder wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:I hear you, and I'm not holding it against the team. Personally I expect that Fred is going to play well this year and redeem himself. I would hate to lose him to another team at the end of the season. Although I guess we could tag him one more time if needed?

And you know what, if the Redskins gave him big money and screwed for it. You'd all be out here with pitchforks. They're darned if they do, darned if they don't. You can't please everyone.


They found a nice middle ground.

Tagging him in 2013 will $6,480,000 in cap space...

Can we sign him to a longer term deal during the season? Like in November?

Nope. Not until after the season is over.

If Davis has a good year he'll want to stay and we'll want him to stay - that's really easy to understand

ey will earn his spot on the roster

Hankerson will show why Mike is so high on his potential

it's all good

skinsfan#33 wrote:I thought ey's lack of explosive plays in 2010 (even though the stats say other wise) was more of a product of the fact that he hurt his knee in the first 2 or 3 games of 2010.

Whatever reason you choose is fine with me. The way he walked to the sidelines and looked on the field, it seemed to me that he was often in a daze. That and other reports I've read here and there have given me my suspicion that he had never fully recovered from the concussion a year before.

Now that is knee is healthy (or as healthy as a 30 year old NFL player's knee is going to be and he lost some weight I expect that he will again be the leading TE on the team. He will again finish among the top 10 in catches and yards.

I'll take the other side of that bet.

You don't think he will and that is fine. I had a problem with you saying he wasn't a factor in 2010 when he rightfully should have been a probowler.

"Not a factor," eh? The fact that you have to exaggerate what I said and misquote me in order to make your point tells me all I need to know. Peace.

Redskins waive Chase Minnifield, sign David Jones
The chips have started to fall into place.

More in the next few days, perhaps by the end of next week. Just sayin'

Redskin in Canada wrote:Redskins waive Chase Minnifield, sign David Jones
The chips have started to fall into place.

More in the next few days, perhaps by the end of next week. Just sayin'

Your source kept that one from you.

Irn-Bru wrote:The way he walked to the sidelines and looked on the field, it seemed to me that he was often in a daze. That and other reports I've read here and there have given me my suspicion that he had never fully recovered from the concussion a year before.

He did seem to be in slow motion at times, but I don't believe it's possible to still be suffering from the concussion to that extent that long after the injury. He wouldn't have been allowed to play if the effects of head trauma were that obvious.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Redskins waive Chase Minnifield, sign David Jones
The chips have started to fall into place.

What are we missing.....

What are we missing?

This looks like they are moving Minnifield off the roster and adding David Jones... that's moving a undrafted from the PUP off the 90 man roster and adding a 5 year vet.

Redskin in Canada wrote:More in the next few days, perhaps by the end of next week. Just sayin'

The only more there can be is Chase clears waivers and goes on IR where he can rehab and learn the scheme with out taking up a roster spot. While the spot he would have been taking up will be filled by a guy that will actually be able to pratice.

Just saying

Man, I hope that nobody snatches him up.

1niksder wrote:What are we missing.....

What are we missing?

This looks like they are moving Minnifield off the roster and adding David Jones... that's moving a undrafted from the PUP off the 90 man roster and adding a 5 year vet.

I did not say that it was a stupid move. It was a necessary move. What I stressed was the fact that the timing of the announcement could have been made earlier. In this context, I do not feel that we should be surprised if other announcements are made in the next week or two.

Did you REALLY know about the recent second surgery? Because if you did, you kept it from all of us in the board, brother.

A five year veteran ... Is that a statement designed to impress anybody???

Because if it is, I am sure that the top receivers in the NFC East are now shaking in their boots with fear about it.

Look bro, the sky is NOT falling but there are serious question marks about our secondary and I have no doubt that additional roster moves would have been made to strengthen several positions if we had had the cap room, which was taken away by the NFL. I will address this issue in the other thread too.

SkinsJock wrote:If Davis has a good year he'll want to stay and we'll want him to stay - that's really easy to understand

Easy to understand? I don't know about that. That sounds like kind of naive to me.

Sure maybe Davis will want to stay here next year, but what if the Giants or the Eagles offer him a better deal? I'd say his priority will be to get the most money he can get from whatever team is prepared to open their wallet. And rightly so.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:If Davis has a good year he'll want to stay and we'll want him to stay - that's really easy to understand

Easy to understand? I don't know about that. That sounds like kind of naive to me.

Sure maybe Davis will want to stay here next year, but what if the Giants or the Eagles offer him a better deal? I'd say his priority will be to get the most money he can get from whatever team is prepared to open their wallet. And rightly so.

Well, if it were me, I'd only want to play for the Skins, even if it meant taking a slightly less lucrative deal. And I could never play for another NFC East team. I'm actually surprised more pro athletes don't reject playing for certain teams.

I think there's more players from the rest of the east that wouldn't mind coming to DC then current players we have having any desire to play for any of them, especially ttit

ey is done.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:If Davis has a good year he'll want to stay and we'll want him to stay - that's really easy to understand

Easy to understand? I don't know about that. That sounds like kind of naive to me.

Sure maybe Davis will want to stay here next year, but what if the Giants or the Eagles offer him a better deal? I'd say his priority will be to get the most money he can get from whatever team is prepared to open their wallet. And rightly so.

Well, if it were me, I'd only want to play for the Skins, even if it meant taking a slightly less lucrative deal. And I could never play for another NFC East team. I'm actually surprised more pro athletes don't reject playing for certain teams.

The NFL is a business.