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skinsfan#33 wrote:This is same line of thinking that a lot of the current younger generation has. I have no idea how old you are, but a lot of young people would rather "look good losing, than look bad winning".

I'll be 37 in July. It's a slightly different philosophy than what you're suggesting. It's much more like the Samauri who would rather take his own life rather than dishonor himself or violate his code of honor.

skinsfan#33 wrote:You either throw a whole bunch of stars (read aging veterans) together and hope you win the championship in a year or two. Or you can build a young team full of mostly draft choices and build a team that can compete for almost a decade.....

.....If you can win with veterans, great, but the core of your team should be young players that are improving, not old players on the decline.

Actually the team should mostly be players in the middle. PROVEN VETERANS who are acquired either via trade or free agency near their prime. The problem is that a roster cannot be built that way in this day and age because of the Salary Cap. I have no faith or interest in rookies. Never have and never will.

skinsfan#33 wrote:I would rather win with whomever they need to sign to get us sustained competitive team. If they need to start 22 players that are all 25 years or younger to do it great! If they need to add in a few aging player; fine! But I'm done with them building OLD teams that only have a chance to make a SB run for one or two years!

I would rather win ONE Super Bowl the RIGHT WAY than to win A DOZEN of them the WRONG WAY.

skinsfan#33 wrote:But if you want to have your team of AARP players that are on a team as a reward for their past performances, rather than a team of hungry young players that get paid less, but will be around for longer then go right ahead and root for that.

I want no part of it!

Not AARP players. Proven Veterans in or around their prime. Generally guys at the end of their first or second NFL contract. Paid for what they have proven they can do. Emotion and Chemistry are seriously overrated.

As much as you want no part of veterans, I want no part of rookies.

Not me.. I'd rather win a dozen SBs ANY FLIPPIN WAY POSSIBLE.. good/bad/ugly/pretty/nasty/clean.. can care less as long as it says "REDSKINS SUPERBOWL ***** CHAMPS"

Some here are just old fashioned IMO - recently players coming out of college have been a lot more ready to contribute a lot quicker than they were able to 10 years ago - this is primarily because they are better prepared for the most part than they were


I think that a mix of youth and experience is good across the board

ANYWAY - I hope we get a good QB out of this draft - I believe that he might even be starting pretty quickly if Grossman is the starting QB here next September

langleyparkjoe wrote:Not me.. I'd rather win a dozen SBs ANY FLIPPIN WAY POSSIBLE.. good/bad/ugly/pretty/nasty/clean.. can care less as long as it says "REDSKINS SUPERBOWL ***** CHAMPS"

I agree. Just win. I can't think of a "wrong" way to win a Superbowl. Aside from videotaping the other teams practices that is.

SkinsJock wrote:Some here are just old fashioned IMO

That's not old fashioned. It's clinical madness. A samurai who prefers suicide to death rather then compromising his honor as a metaphor for demanding we win with proven veterans? Just ridiculous.

In any sport, everyone knows you build a core of young talent through the draft and use free agency to supplement that core. It's how every successful team operates no matter the sport.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Some here are just old fashioned IMO

That's not old fashioned. It's clinical madness. A samurai who prefers suicide to death rather then compromising his honor as a metaphor for demanding we win with proven veterans? Just ridiculous.

In any sport, everyone knows you build a core of young talent through the draft and use free agency to supplement that core. It's how every successful team operates no matter the sport.

Come on, SF55. Wasn't our MO the past decade to build the team through free agency/trades with established veterans, rather than build from the draft?

Just look at what wondrous results that brought! Count me in for another decade of that!

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I would rather win ONE Super Bowl the RIGHT WAY than to win A DOZEN of them the WRONG WAY.

What a ridiculous statement!

PulpExposure wrote:Just look at what wondrous results that brought! Count me in for another decade of that!

Well, if the NFL owners (or at least 8 of them) had the cahones to actually stand up for what's RIGHT during the negotiations rather than what is just MOST PROFITABLE for their teams, it would have been a winning formula.

Unfortunately, they instead have saddled us with a Salary Cap, Revenue Sharing, a Strong League - Weak Team system and the idea that "Any Team can Win on Any Given Sunday"-type Parity is a GOOD thing instead of the horror show that it truly is. Hopefully they'll fix that this time around, though I'm not holding my breath on it.

Thankfully until relatively recently our Owner has taken a valiant stand against those disgusting ideals and attempted to still build a GREAT Team rather than an Above-Average Team like the Patriots. I do fear that he has lost the fire for that, with the hiring of Shanahan and Allen. I hope not, but I am not very confident that he hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid as well now.

Deadskins wrote:What a ridiculous statement!

That probably doesn't even rank in the Top 50 or "ridiculous" statements I make on a regular basis. See, some of us actually believe in a concept called PRINCIPLES. They're ideals and philosophies that over-ride everything else in life. I know they're not popular these days, but some of us still follow them.

Deadskins wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I would rather win ONE Super Bowl the RIGHT WAY than to win A DOZEN of them the WRONG WAY.

What a ridiculous statement!

You have to admit it would be cool to win a Super Bowl without a kicker or a punter on your roster. I think to be totally fair you have to leave those spots open and not sign players at other positions as well or you're using it to an unfair advantage. You also should concede the game once you fail to score a touchdown on a play or give up a first down or a pass completion to the other team. And definitely you can't throw a pass, that's for sissies. Rushing is the only manly way to play. And you definitely shouldn't substitute players ever, including when switching between offense and defense or special teams. You have to admit, winning a Super Bowl with the rules the games should be played by would be unforgettable.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I would rather win ONE Super Bowl the RIGHT WAY than to win A DOZEN of them the WRONG WAY.

What a ridiculous statement!

You have to admit it would be cool to win a Super Bowl without a kicker or a punter on your roster. I think to be totally fair you have to leave those spots open and not sign players at other positions as well or you're using it to an unfair advantage. You also should concede the game once you fail to score a touchdown on a play or give up a first down or a pass completion to the other team. And definitely you can't throw a pass, that's for sissies. Rushing is the only manly way to play. And you definitely shouldn't substitute players ever, including when switching between offense and defense or special teams. You have to admit, winning a Super Bowl with the rules the games should be played by would be unforgettable.

Absolutely, but would you substitute that one for winning a dozen the regular old way?

Don't know... it was kind of cool winning one because we happened to have the RIGHT kicker...

No Mosely, no victory.

Countertrey wrote:Don't know... it was kind of cool winning one because we happened to have the RIGHT kicker...

No Mosely, no victory.

Draft Tyrod Taylor

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Deadskins wrote:What a ridiculous statement!

That probably doesn't even rank in the Top 50 or "ridiculous" statements I make on a regular basis. See, some of us actually believe in a concept called PRINCIPLES. They're ideals and philosophies that over-ride everything else in life. I know they're not popular these days, but some of us still follow them.

With your PRINCIPLES and oh so very reasonable nature, you must be a lot of fun around the dinner table...

PulpExposure wrote:With your PRINCIPLES and oh so very reasonable nature, you must be a lot of fun around the dinner table...

Fun is not a significant consideration in my life. Never has been. Probably never will be. Right and Wrong on the other hand are things I deal with ona daily basis.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:With your PRINCIPLES and oh so very reasonable nature, you must be a lot of fun around the dinner table...

Fun is not a significant consideration in my life. Never has been. Probably never will be. Right and Wrong on the other hand are things I deal with ona daily basis.

And you consider the salary cap to be a matter of right and wrong?

What about honoring your word, is that a matter of right and wrong? Like when you're "done?"

Easy now Kazzo, you can debate that stuff with him in smack..

The more I think about it the more I'd rather NOT draft a QB in the first round. There are only really 2 great college QBs this year while all the others are pretty good. Possibly we could take a pretty good QB that Shan likes and HOPEFULLY he'll have the attributes to run the offense according to Shan.

Every time I come back to this thread, I arrive at the same conclusions:

1. This is OFFSEASON talk prematurely arrived at due to an early recognition several weeks throughout the regular season that the Skins were out of contention of any playoff hopes.

2. A LOT is still to happen vis-a-vis the CBA. That will change all the rules and price limits.

3. A LOT of really good current players will become available.

4. Draft and mostly Free Agency has become one of the favourite and most enjoyable times for Redskins fans for a decade now. Offseason Champs no less !!!

5. Other than Hognostications and the Hogbowl, what is a skins fan in this board to do? Argue with self-centered, attention grabbing, self righteous, big-mouthed wannabe quitters that do not quit. No thanks.

I will discuss the Draft when the Draft matters. So, right now, if you excuse me, I will get back to this thread when it might be a bit more meaningful and learn what holes are still open and which ones have been filled PRIOR to the Draft already.

Is QB something that will sorted out in the Draft? Maybe one will get picked up but only as a future prospect to be groomed (hopefully fast) but not as a starter next season. Not in this town.

So, this discussion is much ado about nothing at this point.

So RiC: you just passed by to say that you aren't interested in this thread? Why did you say that in this thread? Shouldn't you start your own thread to discuss threads you aren't interested in?

Just curious

UK Skins Fan wrote:So RiC: you just passed by to say that you aren't interested in this thread? Why did you say that in this thread? Shouldn't you start your own thread to discuss threads you aren't interested in?

Just curious

1. The post addresses the topic of the thread

and

2. the untimely nature and irrelevance of the topic.

plus a few other goodies not real difficult to understand. Interestingly, the guy that I was trying to lure into smack did not respond. But if he does not and you have no better things to do, you are welcome to open up one for me there.

I entered because the level of the discussions has lowered considerably from better days in this board and things seem to be focused on difficult personalities and not really interesting NFL / Skins subjects.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Interestingly, the guy that I was trying to lure into smack did not respond.

LPJ, I think he's talking to you. You were the last to post before him.

I apologize in advance but I am starting to view the posts of Redskins_Fanatic as nothing more than masturbation.

I am going to try to ignore them. I am starting to become ashamed of my involvement. I don't want to devolve into a voyeur.

Again, sorry.

DarthMonk

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

skins2357 wrote:You would rather lose with vets then win with rookies????????????????? What? I would rather win with rookies or vets no matter

To me the PRINCIPLE of the matter is more important than the results are. I understand that's not a common viewpoint in any sports fandom, but it is where I come from, philosophically.

DarthMonk wrote:I am going to try to ignore them.

Now, here is a plan! +1

Redskin in Canada wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:So RiC: you just passed by to say that you aren't interested in this thread? Why did you say that in this thread? Shouldn't you start your own thread to discuss threads you aren't interested in?

Just curious

1. The post addresses the topic of the thread

and

2. the untimely nature and irrelevance of the topic.

plus a few other goodies not real difficult to understand. Interestingly, the guy that I was trying to lure into smack did not respond. But if he does not and you have no better things to do, you are welcome to open up one for me there.

I entered because the level of the discussions has lowered considerably from better days in this board and things seem to be focused on difficult personalities and not really interesting NFL / Skins subjects.

Erm, lighten up dude! One day, we will live in a world where the Redskins are successful, and this board only contains intelligent discourse between knowledgeable fans, and a total absence of self absorbed loons. But, until that day arrives, it's best just to rise above it all.