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chiefhog44 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Guys, what if.. WHAT IF.. we signed Orton from Denver with Rex backing him up? That way no need to even draft a qb (unless you do it for the future) but at the same time we could use that pick for other needs.. your thoughts?

Ummm... how'd that work in Chitown?

Actually pretty well. He's a winner. He won games there...it wasn't pretty but he won. The guy is smart, has a good arm and is now proven.

Actually, Grossman took them to the SB, not Orton, so we don't really need another ex-Chicago QB.

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Guys, what if.. WHAT IF.. we signed Orton from Denver with Rex backing him up? That way no need to even draft a qb (unless you do it for the future) but at the same time we could use that pick for other needs.. your thoughts?

Ummm... how'd that work in Chitown?

Actually pretty well. He's a winner. He won games there...it wasn't pretty but he won. The guy is smart, has a good arm and is now proven.

Actually, Grossman took them to the SB, not Orton, so we don't really need another ex-Chicago QB.

Orton:
Chicago
05- 1,869 YDS/ 9 TDS/ 13 INTS
06- OUT FOR YEAR INJURY (YEAR REX WENT TO SB VS COLTS)
07- 478 YDS/ 3 TDS/ 2 INTS
08- 2,972 YDS/ 18 TDS/ 12 INTS
Denver
09- 3,802 YDS/ 21 TDS/ 12 INTS
10- 3,653 YDS/ 20 TDS/ 9 INTS

Not sure why the hate for Orton, he's been getting better since Chicago. Like I said though, just trying to show a way not to use the 1st pick on a QB this year.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Guys, what if.. WHAT IF.. we signed Orton from Denver with Rex backing him up? That way no need to even draft a qb (unless you do it for the future) but at the same time we could use that pick for other needs.. your thoughts?

Ummm... how'd that work in Chitown?

Actually pretty well. He's a winner. He won games there...it wasn't pretty but he won. The guy is smart, has a good arm and is now proven.

Actually, Grossman took them to the SB, not Orton, so we don't really need another ex-Chicago QB.

Orton:
Chicago
05- 1,869 YDS/ 9 TDS/ 13 INTS
06- OUT FOR YEAR INJURY (YEAR REX WENT TO SB VS COLTS)
07- 478 YDS/ 3 TDS/ 2 INTS
08- 2,972 YDS/ 18 TDS/ 12 INTS
Denver
09- 3,802 YDS/ 21 TDS/ 12 INTS
10- 3,653 YDS/ 20 TDS/ 9 INTS

Not sure why the hate for Orton, he's been getting better since Chicago. Like I said though, just trying to show a way not to use the 1st pick on a QB this year.

No hate, I just don't think he's that great a QB. Of course, I haven't really followed his career since he went to Denver. Those are pretty impressive stats, but Denver didn't make the playoffs either year, did they? And that is in a weak AFC West.

Deadskins wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Guys, what if.. WHAT IF.. we signed Orton from Denver with Rex backing him up? That way no need to even draft a qb (unless you do it for the future) but at the same time we could use that pick for other needs.. your thoughts?

Ummm... how'd that work in Chitown?

Actually pretty well. He's a winner. He won games there...it wasn't pretty but he won. The guy is smart, has a good arm and is now proven.

Actually, Grossman took them to the SB, not Orton, so we don't really need another ex-Chicago QB.

Orton:
Chicago
05- 1,869 YDS/ 9 TDS/ 13 INTS
06- OUT FOR YEAR INJURY (YEAR REX WENT TO SB VS COLTS)
07- 478 YDS/ 3 TDS/ 2 INTS
08- 2,972 YDS/ 18 TDS/ 12 INTS
Denver
09- 3,802 YDS/ 21 TDS/ 12 INTS
10- 3,653 YDS/ 20 TDS/ 9 INTS

Not sure why the hate for Orton, he's been getting better since Chicago. Like I said though, just trying to show a way not to use the 1st pick on a QB this year.

No hate, I just don't think he's that great a QB. Of course, I haven't really followed his career since he went to Denver. Those are pretty impressive stats, but Denver didn't make the playoffs either year, did they? And that is in a weak AFC West.

Orton also had some pretty decent receivers in Denver -- not so much in CHI. I do believe that Orton is an upgrade from Grossman, but personally, I don't think it would make that much of a difference. If we were to get a QB via FA, one of the MAJOR requirements would be that he is a driven leader. We need a vocal presence in the huddle and someone that can change the attitude of this team. Right now, this team has a losers mentality. I just don't see Orton as that guy. The closest person I see to doing this is Palmer (even though he has typically lost -- but personally, I think his W-L record is directly related to the ownership; CIN has the second worst ownership in the NFL, behind us, of course).

We need a QB that will make sure players are held accountable for their play and someone they will get behind and support. We need a vocal leader at QB. We haven't had one in quite some time. I would like to see use our first rounder on the OL or DL (but I wouldn't be surprised due to our history to see us waste it on a WR, RB, or DB) and not on a QB -- but, if the franchise guy is there, then we may just need to take him. All in all, the only 2 QBs I would draft would probably be Gabbert or Dalton, but Dalton is probably a 3rd round guy.

Right now, I'm not convinced that ANY of the quarterbacks in this year's draft would be worthy of the #10 pick, even if they were all available when the Redskins get on the clock.

I'll say this though: the more I read about them all, the further Jake Locker falls down my own rankings, whilst Newton has probably moved up a little (but not much, yet). Question marks surround them all in one way or another.

Pick a QB that high in the draft, and you'd better be sold 100% on the guy. If it goes wrong, then you've hitched your whole NFL trailer to one rusty old truck.

UK Skins Fan wrote:Right now, I'm not convinced that ANY of the quarterbacks in this year's draft would be worthy of the #10 pick, even if they were all available when the Redskins get on the clock.

I'll say this though: the more I read about them all, the further Jake Locker falls down my own rankings, whilst Newton has probably moved up a little (but not much, yet). Question marks surround them all in one way or another.

Pick a QB that high in the draft, and you'd better be sold 100% on the guy. If it goes wrong, then you've hitched your whole NFL trailer to one rusty old truck.

I'm with you UK. We have so many needs and none of the QB's look like a certainty to even be a starter much less good. Several look possible. But we have so many needs and we should get a good player with the #10 pick if we pick wisely. I hate to use it on a crap shoot QB.

I'll agree with you both as well - the fact is we have many needs and we need to start getting players in here that can both help and have a lot of desire to be very good players - we also really need to re-assemble both the lines


we will be OK for a year or 2 and somewhere down the road we're going to find a great QB - let's not use this #10 pick in the hopes that one of these guys can be THE guy - they all don't look like they can be really good - it's way to important a pick and the QBs available don't look that great

UK Skins Fan wrote:Right now, I'm not convinced that ANY of the quarterbacks in this year's draft would be worthy of the #10 pick, even if they were all available when the Redskins get on the clock.

I'll say this though: the more I read about them all, the further Jake Locker falls down my own rankings, whilst Newton has probably moved up a little (but not much, yet). Question marks surround them all in one way or another.

Pick a QB that high in the draft, and you'd better be sold 100% on the guy. If it goes wrong, then you've hitched your whole NFL trailer to one rusty old truck.

Both Locker and Newton are wasted draft picks. Unless Locker possesses certain qualities that I haven't seen, he is not an NFL QB. Newton also does not possess the needed qualities (especially accuracy) to be an NFL QB in the traditional sense. If there was a way to alter the way the QB position was played, then sure, but there is no way he will be successful playing the QB position the way that Brady, Manning, Brees, Rothlesburger, Rodgers, Rivers, Ryan or the others have.

markshark84 wrote:Both Locker and Newton are wasted draft picks. Unless Locker possesses certain qualities that I haven't seen, he is not an NFL QB. Newton also does not possess the needed qualities (especially accuracy) to be an NFL QB in the traditional sense. If there was a way to alter the way the QB position was played, then sure, but there is no way he will be successful playing the QB position the way that Brady, Manning, Brees, Rothlesburger, Rodgers, Rivers, Ryan or the others have.

If I had to pick between them I'd pick Newton. But I'm with you my vote at #10 is none of the above

I'd take Gabbert if he's available.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I'd take Gabbert if he's available.

Yeah, I have come to believe that he is the best QB available (although I really haven't seem him play much) -- but I am not sure he will be there. There are a couple teams that need a QB ahead of us in this years draft. We'll see though.

markshark84 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I'd take Gabbert if he's available.

Yeah, I have come to believe that he is the best QB available (although I really haven't seem him play much) -- but I am not sure he will be there. There are a couple teams that need a QB ahead of us in this years draft. We'll see though.

I'm a Mizzou fan, and drafting Gabbert would be a huge mistake.He is a bad decision maker that forces way too many throws. He also battled ankle injuries during both years as a starter that hampered his game even more. Once he gets knocked down a few times by defenders, his bad decision making goes from bad to worse and you get forced throws into traffic mixed with passes ether too short or high for receivers to hold onto. He has a huge arm and very good mechanics, but throws a terrible deep ball.

Imagine Jason Campbell with a quicker release but far less accurate.

Sir_Monk wrote:Imagine Jason Campbell with a quicker release but far less accurate.