Mike Shanahan - Bruce Allen Bandwagon

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:48 am

I'm up for anything that could turn this sorry bunch of clowns into a real team!

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:01 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:Until it gets on the field, it ain't progress, and we haven't put it on the field.

I'd agree until we put it on the field it's not proof we're headed in the right direction, but to say it's not "progress" is such a passive, just please me I'm not invested attitude. Why would ANYONE come here when they take over a 4-12 team with an egomaniac as our most talented player, a completely ineffective QB, our rock LT suddenly retired, a D that can't get a turnover, a sack or a key stop in cap hell when they get handed the blame for our mess the first year they get here and just start to try to change things? You can do better then that.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:02 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:Until it gets on the field, it ain't progress, and we haven't put it on the field.

I agree that the progress has not translated into much as far as the product on the field is concerned, but there has been improvement - I agree that it is frustrating but we need to give these guys time to undo the mess we were in - many here had unrealistic expectations - I understand that we're just fans but the reality is that we need to give these guys the time to get things in place

hopefully, this coming off season, these guys can find some draft picks and some free agents to go along with the guys here that have shown they can and really want to contribute

I do think that there are a lot of players around the NFL that now have a different idea of what is involved here - we're no longer just throwing money at players for all the wrong reasons like we used to, that's for sure and we no longer have Snyder sticking his nose where it doesn't belong

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:06 am

SkinsJock wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:Until it gets on the field, it ain't progress, and we haven't put it on the field.

while the progress has not translated into much as far as the product on the field is concerned, IMO there has been improvement - I agree that it is frustrating but we need to give these guys time to undo the mess we were in

No, they get no time. I was supporting us while we were losing all these years. I don't care it wasn't them, I demand a winning team that dominates their opposition and I demand it now. This whole mess, our entire roster and ineffective team is their personal fault because they didn't fix this. They had an entire off season for God's sake. Fire them now. Today. I want to be pleased.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:24 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:Until it gets on the field, it ain't progress, and we haven't put it on the field.

while the progress has not translated into much as far as the product on the field is concerned, IMO there has been improvement - I agree that it is frustrating but we need to give these guys time to undo the mess we were in

No, they get no time. I was supporting us while we were losing all these years. I don't care it wasn't them, I demand a winning team that dominates their opposition and I demand it now. This whole mess, our entire roster and ineffective team is their personal fault because they didn't fix this. They had an entire off season for God's sake. Fire them now. Today. I want to be pleased.

I haven't given up on ShanAllen experiment, but all this intangible 'progress' does't do it for me. The product on the field isn't much, if any, better than last year and 1 win (which looking at the schedule and the way we've played the 2nd 1/2 of this year) better than last year, to me, is treading water, not getting better.

I was just talkin to a friend this morning about this. This off-season and next season will really make or break it for me. I'm not expecting Super Bowl or even playoffs, but consistant on the field tangible progress is what I'm looking for. "I feel" and "played with heart" don't give me a warm and fuzzy. Wins give me a warm and fuzzy. And we ain't producing them.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:30 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:I was just talkin to a friend this morning about this. This off-season and next season will really make or break it for me. I'm not expecting Super Bowl or even playoffs, but consistant on the field tangible progress is what I'm looking for. "I feel" and "played with heart" don't give me a warm and fuzzy. Wins give me a warm and fuzzy. And we ain't producing them.

I don't agree with you we didn't show improvement this year in many critical areas, including results. We won more and were competitive in many more games and most of our addition was by replacement and subtraction. But I do agree with you improvement should be clearer next year.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:35 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:I was just talkin to a friend this morning about this. This off-season and next season will really make or break it for me. I'm not expecting Super Bowl or even playoffs, but consistant on the field tangible progress is what I'm looking for. "I feel" and "played with heart" don't give me a warm and fuzzy. Wins give me a warm and fuzzy. And we ain't producing them.

I don't agree with you we didn't show improvement this year in many critical areas, including results. We won more and were competitive in many more games and most of our addition was by replacement and subtraction. But I do agree with you improvement should be clearer next year.

We were close last year in 1/2 the games we lost (I think it was 6 games 7 pts or less). So to try to infer that we had 12 blowouts and 4 squeakers last year ain't workin on me. And you really, honestly believe that 1 more win (which we have 3 tough games including 2 divisional games) is progress? It's in the gray area, and grasping at possibilities. I want decisive examples, and that isn't it IMO.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:42 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:I want decisive examples

That's what you're looking for that's wrong the first year. Our team was so broken last year and when you add undoing cap hell, replacing our career rock LT, fixing a D that while statistically high wasn't producing turnovers, sacks or key stops and needing a youth movement, you're looking for decisive, immediate examples in a multi year process. It's not going to happen, sorry.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:44 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:I want decisive examples

That's what you're looking for that's wrong the first year. Our team was so broken last year and when you add undoing cap hell, replacing our career rock LT, fixing a D that while statistically high wasn't producing turnovers, sacks or key stops and needing a youth movement, you're looking for decisive, immediate examples in a multi year process. It's not going to happen, sorry.

So you can't have decisive examples of progress in the first year? I call BS.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:45 am

<~~~~~Wishful Thnker.

The big difference between this year and last year:

Hope. Simple, as can be, Hope.

We have a starting quality QB. With Dmac at the helm, we make big plays. If we can somehow do it consistently, we'd win a few more games.

We have a coach. A real one, one who will not flinch at high paid cry babies.

It feels like for me that we have a better upside with what we have now, than what we had last year. This year the culture at Ashburn has been changed. We are setting the base, the foundation, making players WANT to play instead of expecting to play because we paid them to. The past few years, we have seen 'Tana get open but not get the ball, we have seen him give up on routes out of frustration, we have not seen that this year. So yah, I think it is Hope, hope that next year or the year after we can field a team that we can watch the whole way thru w/o saying WTF (out loud.)

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:46 am

SKINFAN wrote:<~~~~~Wishful Thnker.

The big difference between this year and last year:

Hope. Simple, as can be, Hope.

We have a starting quality QB. With Dmac at the helm, we make big plays. If we can somehow do it consistently, we'd win a few more games.

We have a coach. A real one, one who will not flinch at high paid cry babies.

It feels like for me that we have a better upside with what we have now, than what we had last year. This year the culture at Ashburn has been changed. We are setting the base, the foundation, making players WANT to play instead of expecting to play because we paid them to. The past few years, we have seen 'Tana get open but not get the ball, we have seen him give up on routes out of frustration, we have not seen that this year. So yah, I think it is Hope, hope that next year or the year after we can field a team that we can watch the whole way thru w/o saying WTF (out loud.)

Devin Thomas had upside, too. Where did that get him?

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:52 am

Let's see, Thomas couldn't crack the starting lineup. Dmac has won how many playoff games? Shanny has created marquee RB's out of no namers because of his O line. Give it time, let it marinate.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:54 am

SKINFAN wrote:Let's see, Thomas couldn't crack the starting lineup. Dmac has won how many playoff games? Shanny has created marquee RB's out of no namers because of his O line. Give it time, let it marinate.

By the time it marinates, McNabb will be done.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:05 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:Let's see, Thomas couldn't crack the starting lineup. Dmac has won how many playoff games? Shanny has created marquee RB's out of no namers because of his O line. Give it time, let it marinate.

By the time it marinates, McNabb will be done.

so what's you recommendation, doom and gloom?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:20 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:By the time it marinates, McNabb will be done.

Join us brother. It is just a suggestion. We gain nothing if you do or not.

But if we are fans, it is a lot more interesting if we support ANY progress that we see or feel is being made.

Do not think for a second that I did not give a bit of thought whether I was in this bandwagon or not. I did. It took a while. The basic question is:

Are we better off with Bruce and Mike than we were with Danny and Vinny???

If the answer is YES, there you have your TANGIBLE progress. This was a mess and, trust me, it would have been a lot simpler for me to dismiss any and everything that Daniel Snyder has done and will EVER do in relation to this franchise.

It would have been VERY SIMPLE to say:

As long as Daniel Snyder owns this team, we will never amount to anything. He is a curse, a terrible owner, a greedy businessman, a dislikable person, and a disgraceful manager. He will NEVER EVER have a true winner.

But while I believe that he rightfully deserves all of those adjectives and more, I feel that we are better off with this management than we were before. Am I a fan of the Skins? I will always be win or lose, regardless of the Preston Marshals or Daniel Snyders who hurt this team.

It is MY team, not theirs.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:23 pm

I read the title but not your responses. I'm guessing but I think more than half of you have jumped off the bandwagon?

NOT ME!!!!.. hahahahaaaa... I just dug in deeper!!! You wana know why, cause that's who we have and I'm supporting um! Kinda like dumb presidents we've had since I can remember but I'm still a supporter of the bigger picture!!! GO USA and GO SKINS!!!

<--- I nominate myself for the dumbest fan ALIVE!!!

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:26 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:<--- I nominate myself for the dumbest fan ALIVE!!!

I nominate you as one of the most hardcore among the hardcore fans of the Washington Redskins, brother.

Nothing dumb about that. Only heart and mind.

HTTR

TeeterSalad · Post by **TeeterSalad** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:47 pm

That's right...I'm bumping the Shanawagon thread.

I'm still here. :wink:

Here's another unpopular and very questionable move, but I'm still trying to have faith in the coaches decisions to make this a winning football team.

Bye McNoober!

HTTR

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:32 pm

I just jumped off. McNabb benching makes no sense

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:34 pm

From back on page 3:

Deadskins wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:You are in or you are not.

Well, I guess I'm out right now. I'll have to catch the next bus.

I support them, because I support the Skins. That doesn't mean I have to like every decision they make. Kinda like you support the Skins but not The Danny.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:41 pm

skins2357 wrote:I just jumped off. McNabb benching makes no sense

You didn't see that coming?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:54 pm

TeeterSalad wrote:That's right...I'm bumping the Shanawagon thread.

I'm still here.

You are not alone, my friend...

TCIYM · Post by **TCIYM** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:09 pm

The horse has broken reins, the wheels have fallen off, the canopy has dry rotted ... at what point do some get off the bandwagon?

TeeterSalad · Post by **TeeterSalad** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:11 pm

TCIYM wrote:The horse has broken reins, the wheels have fallen off, the canopy has dry rotted ... at what point do some get off the bandwagon?

...ummm maybe sometime after the first season? :wink:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:14 pm

TCIYM wrote:The horse has broken reins, the wheels have fallen off, the canopy has dry rotted ... at what point do some get off the bandwagon?

If it's rolling, We riding.