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The Raiders are on their bye week and then ....

@ Steelers = LOSS
Dolphins
@ Chargers = LOSS
@ Jaguars
Broncos
Colts = LOSS
@ Chiefs = LOSS

I just don't think that Campbell is still starting after the next 4 games because he's not good enough

IMO Campbell new start with the Raiders was not good. Campbell's time here was not Great. His main problem was his "medium" ways, and lack to inspire. I think that has been said. In his defense, it's really hard to change that with the same team, teammates, and lockeroom. He would appear Dr. Jekyll. It can be done, its just hard to do so. The new start in Oakland, he still had trouble trusting himself, and hesitated on most throws. That said, I think after his benching, he's been going for it more often.

My point is, JC is different right now, than he was when he played for the skins.

That really don't mean he would have made that throw for the win if he were still here.

SkinsJock wrote:The Raiders are on their bye week and then ....

@ Steelers = LOSS
Dolphins
@ Chargers = LOSS
@ Jaguars
Broncos
Colts = LOSS
@ Chiefs = LOSS

I just don't think that Campbell is still starting after the next 4 games because he's not good enough

I can see Steelers and colts.. the other games you have pegged as losses could easily be wins. Oaklands DST is NICE.. that has nothing to do with JC but I'm just saying.

JC isn't better than Mcnugget so lets please stop the nonsense and I've looked at the raiders games (like two games) and he's just lobbing it up in the air and the WRs are making the catches, he's not making super accurate passes... he's still doing the same stuff.

SkinsJock wrote:The Raiders are on their bye week and then ....

@ Steelers = LOSS
Dolphins
@ Chargers = LOSS
@ Jaguars
Broncos
Colts = LOSS
@ Chiefs = LOSS

I just don't think that Campbell is still starting after the next 4 games because he's not good enough

To be honest, we could potentially be in the same situation if we were playing those games. Campbell has some WRs with speed. They are not good route runners, good at recognizing coverage or good at adjusting routes. They are very young, and are going to make Campbell look terrible sometimes.

The Raiders have a much higher rated passing team this year than last year. The Redskins have a lower rated passing team than last year. The Redskins have improved personnel and coaching. The Raiders have a slightly improved group.

Shabutie wrote:To be honest, we could potentially be in the same situation if we were playing those games.

so what - we are discussing Campbell and McNabb

The Raiders have a much higher rated passing team this year than last year. The Redskins have a lower rated passing team than last year. The Redskins have improved personnel and coaching. The Raiders have a slightly improved group.

I'm sure that Campbell has helped - that is not my point - I don't think that he's going to help this team get into the playoffs because this guy's just not a winning QB and when the going gets tough we have all seen what he's going to do - now the Raiders will get to see it too

I am happy that we have McNabb and not Campbell at QB because McNabb is just a better fit for us and Campbell is not going to help any offense - he's not capable because he's just a QB

Shabutie wrote:My point is, he cannot say that they won DESPITE Campbell, but then give credit to McNabb on terrible performances. Especially when Campbell made a big play in OT.

But they wouldn't have even made it to OT if his receiver hadn't bailed him out on the poor throw (sure INT) on the game tying drive in the 4th quarter.

Anyway, I gave Cambell credit for having the second 4th quarter come-from-behind game of his career. But when you compare that to McNabb's many such games, it's pretty obvious who's the better QB in the clutch.

Deadskins wrote:

Shabutie wrote:My point is, he cannot say that they won DESPITE Campbell, but then give credit to McNabb on terrible performances. Especially when Campbell made a big play in OT.

But they wouldn't have even made it to OT if his receiver hadn't bailed him out on the poor throw (sure INT) on the game tying drive in the 4th quarter.

Anyway, I gave Cambell credit for having the second 4th quarter come-from-behind game of his career. But when you compare that to McNabb's many such games, it's pretty obvious who's the better QB in the clutch.

McNabb has been in the league twice as long, and his poor throw was picked off. DM has more picks than TDs and JC has more TDs than picks.

BnGhog wrote:IMO Campbell new start with the Raiders was not good. Campbell's time here was not Great. His main problem was his "medium" ways, and lack to inspire. I think that has been said. In his defense, it's really hard to change that with the same team, teammates, and lockeroom. He would appear Dr. Jekyll. It can be done, its just hard to do so. The new start in Oakland, he still had trouble trusting himself, and hesitated on most throws. That said, I think after his benching, he's been going for it more often.

My point is, JC is different right now, than he was when he played for the skins.

That really don't mean he would have made that throw for the win if he were still here.

I think you are right on the button. Sometimes you need a new start. I hope JC makes it in Oakland, although I've been a big DMac supporter for years.

We don't have to be like a lot of the golfers in my area. There are 2 good courses. If you belong to one, you don't have to dislike the other. I like them both, and I wish both QB's the best.

1niksder wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Shabutie wrote:My point is, he cannot say that they won DESPITE Campbell, but then give credit to McNabb on terrible performances. Especially when Campbell made a big play in OT.

But they wouldn't have even made it to OT if his receiver hadn't bailed him out on the poor throw (sure INT) on the game tying drive in the 4th quarter.

Anyway, I gave Cambell credit for having the second 4th quarter come-from-behind game of his career. But when you compare that to McNabb's many such games, it's pretty obvious who's the better QB in the clutch.

McNabb has been in the league twice as long, and his poor throw was picked off. DM has more picks than TDs and JC has more TDs than picks.

So which QB would you rather have under center for the Redskins?

Deadskins wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Shabutie wrote:My point is, he cannot say that they won DESPITE Campbell, but then give credit to McNabb on terrible performances. Especially when Campbell made a big play in OT.

But they wouldn't have even made it to OT if his receiver hadn't bailed him out on the poor throw (sure INT) on the game tying drive in the 4th quarter.

Anyway, I gave Cambell credit for having the second 4th quarter come-from-behind game of his career. But when you compare that to McNabb's many such games, it's pretty obvious who's the better QB in the clutch.

McNabb has been in the league twice as long, and his poor throw was picked off. DM has more picks than TDs and JC has more TDs than picks.

So which QB would you rather have under center for the Redskins?

I preferred Jason for years now it's DM.... It's always the one we have. JC is playing better but he's wearing something other than B&G. Overall McNabb is the better QB but when he was in Philly he wasn't my preferrence

I rewatched the Oak vs KC game, and JC had a very impressive drive in the 4th. And he got it done in OT. I am very curious to see what he can do when he's not eating dirt 75% of his time on the field.

SkinsJock wrote:

Shabutie wrote:To be honest, we could potentially be in the same situation if we were playing those games.

so what - we are discussing Campbell and McNabb

The Raiders have a much higher rated passing team this year than last year. The Redskins have a lower rated passing team than last year. The Redskins have improved personnel and coaching. The Raiders have a slightly improved group.

I'm sure that Campbell has helped - that is not my point - I don't think that he's going to help this team get into the playoffs because this guy's just not a winning QB and when the going gets tough we have all seen what he's going to do - now the Raiders will get to see it too

I am happy that we have McNabb and not Campbell at QB because McNabb is just a better fit for us and Campbell is not going to help any offense - he's not capable because he's just a QB

You are saying that the Raiders may a lot of their upcoming games with that schedule. I was saying that we could very easily be in the same position if we had that remaining schedule.

Because this guy is, "just not a winning QB." Again, it has nothing to do with the teammates or coaches changing every year. The worst OL in the NFL, a coach on the way out, Antwaan Randle El as a second receiver, ey out for the year and the most overrated running back in the NFL behind him. He is not a "winner" for playing with squads like that and similar to that. Never got to properly judge him. McNabb is a QB who has won half of his games, outside of him being even decent in those games. We have won despite his poor level of play 3 times and we can label him a "winner" for this franchise.

Your last stanza makes no sense.

this is really simple -

we are not only better off with McNabb (than Campbell) as our QB we are also better off with McNabb (than Campbell) as the leader of this franchise on the field

I could care less what sort of offensive players OR offensive play callers he had while he was here - he simply did not get it done BECAUSE he's not good enough AND he did not try hard enough to be better on the field

great guy reportedly - it's a fact that he's not a good QB

I think he's playing very well right now and I wish him well - he's never shown anything and I anticipate that he will end up not helping the Raiders because despite what he's done recently, I have little faith in him as a QB and as a leader

we shall see