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SkinsJock wrote:good to see that avatar again TC - welcome back

IMO - Haynesworth is being 'handled' properly and fairly by the coach - end of story

IMO - things are just fine on the defensive side, it's the offense that concerns me a little


hopefully this guy can be a huge factor for our defense this season

hopefully we get a great deal when his sorry big ass is shipped out of here

100% Agreed with everything you said SJ

I keep asking myself why I feel sorry for the big guy sometimes, but I do...especially when I see them using a garbage can to represent an offensive lineman for his drills. I don't know Shanahan from Gilligan, but I've had bosses just like him and stuff gets done...albeit via Stockholm Syndrome.

1: It is NOT a punitive measure... it is an announced consequence of failing to take part in the team sponsored conditioning program... that is why numerous players were warned that they were approaching to point that they would need to take this test.

2: Haynesworth knew that this was going to be administered, and that he would have to pass it, before practicing with the team. He knew exactly what his team mates knew, and chose to "test out" by electing to workout on his own.

If he had passed it on the first try, would anyone be questioning the coach's motivation at this point?

Yes, Shanahan should just stop letting his ego get in the way and cave to the ego's of the players; I'm sure that will work well.

We can have optional everything.

Optional mini-camps, optional OTAs, option training camp, optional preseason games, and optional regular season games. I'd say optional post-season, but c'mon, optional everything has never gotten a team into the post-season.

We'll just play whoever is good enough to take time out of their busy schedules to make it to the field. We don't want to push these guys, they're grown men. I'm sure4 they'll fulfill their contracts in spirit.

We just replaced a coach that was considered "player friendly" after his amazing season of 4-12. Coddling these players worked wonders...

Point of fact; Haynesworth was called selfish by his teammates during the off-season. You really think his teammates wouldn't have an issue with Haynesworth being welcomed back like the prodigal son?

If you let Haynesworth slide on it this year, how many players do you figure will skip OTAs and mini-camp next year?

Point of fact; If player D-line is not very stressful on Cardio, than why does Haynesworth take a knee after every play? Why is he always coming out to hit the oxygen? Shanahan will break him of this.

Haynesworth may be in the best shape of his career, Shanahan will get him in the best shape of his life.

Point of fact; Haynesworth was under contract and the OTAs and minicamps were manditory. Haynesworth decided to put his own self intrests ahead of his obligations. What does that say about his ego? His character?

He talks about how he never had to do these conditioning tests the three times he went to the pro-bowl (which is an idividual achievement) but makes no mention of what kinds of tests he needed to do when he went to the Super Bowl (which is a team achievment that Haynesworth hasn't accomplished).

Heh the more I read, the more comical it gets. Now Shanahan is saying it's a simple test...but the players all seem to say it's difficult, but doable. That's a bit of a difference.

Mike Shanahan::

This test, it's a very minimal test, and we've used it as part of our workout program for a long time."

What do the players say?

Philip Daniels::

"I tell you that test is not an easy test for a guy that's 330-some pounds," defensive end Phillip Daniels said. "At the same time, you've got to train for that test."
Daniels and several other teammates agreed that the test is difficult but fair, and requires specific cardio training.

And:

Former Redskins offensive lineman Ross Tucker called the 300-yard shuttle test "the toughest" of those used regularly by coaches to determine whether players are in shape.

And:

Shanahan said Friday he is confident Haynesworth will pass the test eventually and join his teammates. "Most people can do this test in their sleep," he said. "It's not as big as it may sound."

None of Haynesworth's teammates characterized the task facing Haynesworth in such casual terms. "If he wants to play, obviously he'll get it done," fullback Mike Sellers said. "It might take some time. It is a hard test. I will admit, it's a hard test to take, no matter what."

I like this theory:

One former NFL executive said the Redskins have "made it impossible" for Haynesworth to pass the test, but speculated that Shanahan may be trying to do Haynesworth a favor.

"All of his teammates are mad at the guy," said the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to be seen as prying into the Redskins' business. "But now they look at this and think it's unfair, and there's some sympathy for him in the locker room.

But, really, all that matters is:

Haynesworth has met with Shanahan following each of the two failed tests and apparently isn't thrilled about the process. "I know it's the best thing for him," Shanahan said. "He may not know that at this time."

Mike is old school, and definitely hard core, but...he's earned the credibility. I understand the public humiliation of the first day, and perhaps the second day, but in my experience, extended public humiliation just doesn't work well as a motivational tactic for many grown men.

I just hope that he gets Albert motivated to play so we can extract 21 million worth of performance out of him (or as close as we can). Because what all of us shouldn't lose sight of, is that this guy is a dominant defensive player, and quite likely the best player on our team. There's no question in my mind that a motivated Haynesworth will translate to success for our defense. And...the flip side is that the big baby decides to mope about this, and we ended up paying him all of that money for minimal or no performance (i.e., a phantom injury). And we end up with a defensive line that's basically populated by cast-off, unproven, or injury-ridden players. Shanahan tried that before in Denver and blew up in his face.

Countertrey wrote:1: It is NOT a punitive measure... it is an announced consequence of failing to take part in the team sponsored conditioning program... that is why numerous players were warned that they were approaching to point that they would need to take this test.

2: Haynesworth knew that this was going to be administered, and that he would have to pass it, before practicing with the team. He knew exactly what his team mates knew, and chose to "test out" by electing to workout on his own.

If he had passed it on the first try, would anyone be questioning the coach's motivation at this point?

Trey...it's tantamount to a public flogging. I don't disagree with it, or question the ultimate motivation of the coach. I think that AH is paying the price of going incommunicado with the team and skipping all the camps. I think that anybody else who does things his way should have to go through the same thing.

It's only humiliating because he keeps failing it and he swore that he was going to be in better shape than if he had trained with the team.

frankcal20 wrote:It's only humiliating because he keeps failing it and he swore that he was going to be in better shape than if he had trained with the team.

I absolutely agree with that.

frankcal20 wrote:It's only humiliating because he keeps failing it and he swore that he was going to be in better shape than if he had trained with the team.

Just because he failed the test doesn't mean he isn't in better shape than if he trained with the team.

He is the only player that has had to take this test, let alone pass it! I doubt half of the DL could pass it!

That said, now that MS has started down this path he has keep on it until AH passes the test.

Actually most of the players have done this as part of the offseason training program. The only difference is that they were not timed.

But honestly - WHO CARES. AH is the only one on this team who singled himself out knowing what the consequences were. Every other player committed to this team this offseason except AH. Any way you cut it, had he have trained with the team, we wouldn't be doing this right now. And we're only talking about training 50% of the time.

Lastly, Phillip Daniels said the Dline could pass with no problems.

I tried it today with my 22 year old son. He finished in 67 and 66 seconds. He's 6'2" and 200 lbs, seriously ripped up.

I couldn't do it, ran the first one in 72 seconds. I'm nearly 53 years old, 5'10" 180lbs, with an extra 5-10 lbs now. I do lift and do cardio 3-4 times a week. Unfortunately, I don't do sprints, I do 30 mins on the treadmill or ARC trainer at a pretty good constant pace. I now realize I need to mix my cardio up. After missing by 2 lousy seconds, my son lectured me on that, of course.

We marked off a 25 yard straight course in my backyard. When I ran it, I was on pace with a little over 11 seconds for each 50 yards. At the end of the 5 lap, 250 yards, I was okay. Unfortunately, I ran out of gas and did the last 50 in 14-15 seconds. I'll be doing it again tomorrow, just like Albert!

I'd like to see Mike Shanahan do it!!!! Anybody else willing to try it?

fredp45 wrote:I'd like to see Mike Shanahan do it!!!! Anybody else willing to try it?

I would, but I got all these trees in the way. I'd wind up like Sonny Bono.

frankcal20 wrote:Actually most of the players have done this as part of the offseason training program. The only difference is that they were not timed.

Which is a huge difference. Apparently, he failed yesterday because he did the first leg in 71 seconds. Untimed, he would have passed. Because it's timed, he didn't.

fredp45 wrote:I tried it today with my 22 year old son. He finished in 67 and 66 seconds. He's 6'2" and 200 lbs, seriously ripped up.

I couldn't do it, ran the first one in 72 seconds. I'm nearly 53 years old, 5'10" 180lbs, with an extra 5-10 lbs now. I do lift and do cardio 3-4 times a week. Unfortunately, I don't do sprints, I do 30 mins on the treadmill or ARC trainer at a pretty good constant pace. I now realize I need to mix my cardio up. After missing by 2 lousy seconds, my son lectured me on that, of course.

We marked off a 25 yard straight course in my backyard. When I ran it, I was on pace with a little over 11 seconds for each 50 yards. At the end of the 5 lap, 250 yards, I was okay. Unfortunately, I ran out of gas and did the last 50 in 14-15 seconds. I'll be doing it again tomorrow, just like Albert!

I'd like to see Mike Shanahan do it!!!! Anybody else willing to try it?

Well, according to Shanahan:

Shanahan said Friday he is confident Haynesworth will pass the test eventually and join his teammates. "Most people can do this test in their sleep," he said. "It's not as big as it may sound."

You slacker

tcwest10 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:1: It is NOT a punitive measure... it is an announced consequence of failing to take part in the team sponsored conditioning program... that is why numerous players were warned that they were approaching to point that they would need to take this test.

2: Haynesworth knew that this was going to be administered, and that he would have to pass it, before practicing with the team. He knew exactly what his team mates knew, and chose to "test out" by electing to workout on his own.

If he had passed it on the first try, would anyone be questioning the coach's motivation at this point?

Trey...it's tantamount to a public flogging. I don't disagree with it, or question the ultimate motivation of the coach. I think that AH is paying the price of going incommunicado with the team and skipping all the camps. I think that anybody else who does things his way should have to go through the same thing.

Once in a great while, a player deserves a public "flogging"...usually if they behave like Haynesworth this off-season and the team can't just cut them.

Shanahan is a different sort of coach than Zorn. Tip-off: a few years ago, players said, happily, that Norv Turner was a relief after Gibbs - Petibon. That was not a good sign.

Agreed. There's even the off-chance that AH responds well to being taken down a notch or two and allows himself to be coached. I keep hearing about how CP is in great shape and has a new attitude, so Shanahan has instant credibility with me. (It'll also be interesting to see how many players do their airing-out of laundry via media, and what the repercussions will be. Zorn acted hurt; what will the new guy do?)

Fisher: Test Haynesworth failed twice with Redskins is the same one Titans use

The Redskins have come under scrutiny this week because of the conditioning test Pro Bowler Albert Haynesworth has been required to pass in order to participate in practice. Haynesworth has failed in two attempts to complete two timed 300-yard shuttle runs, and Coach Mike Shanahan has remained firm.

Some in the media have suggested Shanahan simply is making an example of Haynesworth, who skipped all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason program. But the Tennessee Titans, Haynesworth's former employer, handle things similarly for players who fail to participate enough in their workouts.

"That's the test we do - the 300-yard shuttle with a recovery time and then another one," Titans Coach Jeff Fisher told reporters. "What we do is ... if you've made a minimum number of offseason workouts, then the test is modified.

"Those that have been here for at least eight offseason workouts, it's a 300-yard shuttle, [but] they will run 50-yard increments instead of 25-yard shuttles, so it's a little bit easier. The 25-yard, 300-yard shuttle is an appropriate test for what kind of shape you're in."

He should be used to this since they do it in Tenn. Just plain out of shape.

frankcal20 wrote:

Fisher: Test Haynesworth failed twice with Redskins is the same one Titans use

The Redskins have come under scrutiny this week because of the conditioning test Pro Bowler Albert Haynesworth has been required to pass in order to participate in practice. Haynesworth has failed in two attempts to complete two timed 300-yard shuttle runs, and Coach Mike Shanahan has remained firm.

Some in the media have suggested Shanahan simply is making an example of Haynesworth, who skipped all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason program. But the Tennessee Titans, Haynesworth's former employer, handle things similarly for players who fail to participate enough in their workouts.

"That's the test we do - the 300-yard shuttle with a recovery time and then another one," Titans Coach Jeff Fisher told reporters. "What we do is ... if you've made a minimum number of offseason workouts, then the test is modified.

"Those that have been here for at least eight offseason workouts, it's a 300-yard shuttle, [but] they will run 50-yard increments instead of 25-yard shuttles, so it's a little bit easier. The 25-yard, 300-yard shuttle is an appropriate test for what kind of shape you're in."

He should be used to this since they do it in Tenn. Just plain out of shape.

Thank you for this. I respect Fisher a hell of a lot, and for him to come out and back Shanny is awesome.

bobby54401 wrote:BIG shocker........Let the drama begin. As reported by FoxSports.com

His knees hurt dah...he should try the Glidecycle and recover faster

fredp45 wrote:I'd like to see Mike Shanahan do it!

I'm not sure why any player or coach that did all that was asked of them should have to do this EXCEPT the sorry fat ass that decided he knew a better way to get in football shape - now he made this bed so he gets to do the test

why is this situation even a question for some here?

Haynesworth needs to do what he said he could do - end of story







THEN, hopefully he shows he's the greatest defensive lineman to EVER play in the NFL & we trade his stupid, dumb, selfish ass

frankcal20 wrote:He should be used to this since they do it in Tenn. Just plain out of shape.

I don't think he's that out of shape. He passed the first leg the first time and only missed it by one second the next time.

frankcal20 wrote:

Fisher: Test Haynesworth failed twice with Redskins is the same one Titans use

The Redskins have come under scrutiny this week because of the conditioning test Pro Bowler Albert Haynesworth has been required to pass in order to participate in practice. Haynesworth has failed in two attempts to complete two timed 300-yard shuttle runs, and Coach Mike Shanahan has remained firm.

Some in the media have suggested Shanahan simply is making an example of Haynesworth, who skipped all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason program. But the Tennessee Titans, Haynesworth's former employer, handle things similarly for players who fail to participate enough in their workouts.

"That's the test we do - the 300-yard shuttle with a recovery time and then another one," Titans Coach Jeff Fisher told reporters. "What we do is ... if you've made a minimum number of offseason workouts, then the test is modified.

"Those that have been here for at least eight offseason workouts, it's a 300-yard shuttle, [but] they will run 50-yard increments instead of 25-yard shuttles, so it's a little bit easier. The 25-yard, 300-yard shuttle is an appropriate test for what kind of shape you're in."

He should be used to this since they do it in Tenn. Just plain out of shape.

I note that nowhere in there does Fisher say that they time the test in TN. Just talks about distance.

PulpExposure wrote:I note that nowhere in there does Fisher say that they time the test in TN. Just talks about distance.

Yes but is 70 seconds unreasonable? Even I could do 600 yards of wind sprints right now . . . provided that I wasn't timed.

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:I note that nowhere in there does Fisher say that they time the test in TN. Just talks about distance.

Yes but is 70 seconds unreasonable? Even I could do 600 yards of wind sprints right now . . . provided that I wasn't timed.

ANYONE can do it if not timed.

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:I note that nowhere in there does Fisher say that they time the test in TN. Just talks about distance.

Yes but is 70 seconds unreasonable? Even I could do 600 yards of wind sprints right now . . . provided that I wasn't timed.

Heh exactly. That's the rub; everyone else on the team ran it untimed.

This is kind of funny. Two reporters trying it; one failed, one did it. That being said, the guy who passed it certainly isn't the size of Haynesworth (4000 pounds).

PulpExposure wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:I note that nowhere in there does Fisher say that they time the test in TN. Just talks about distance.

Yes but is 70 seconds unreasonable? Even I could do 600 yards of wind sprints right now . . . provided that I wasn't timed.

Heh exactly. That's the rub; everyone else on the team ran it untimed.

This is kind of funny. Two reporters trying it; one failed, one did it. That being said, the guy who passed it certainly isn't the size of Haynesworth (4000 pounds).

Everyone else also participated in off-season conditioning... point? Everyone... including Haynesworth... were warned that this was the price of conditioning on your own. Haynesworth made himself different from all of his team mates. He made his own bed... so, I'm just not getting this "no one else had to do it" argument. He did this to himself, under the SAME rules that the WHOLE TEAM had to deal with.

Darnell Dockett... did it in 57seconds per rep???