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Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:24 pm**

Hey luva luva ur right but he cries to much about not playing nt we need somebody that will play no matter what dude you feel me.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:32 pm**

cowboykilla wrote:get rid of the over payed baby thats it.

I wish, no way he will be paid 21 mil and then cut. No team will be willing to take on the contract he has. He will be here, he will whine before the snap, wreak havoc, then start whining again after the play. It does not matter. This guy is a player, he will whine before and after the play but he will play.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:38 pm**

SKINFAN wrote:
cowboykilla wrote:get rid of the over payed baby thats it.

I wish, no way he will be paid 21 mil and then cut. No team will be willing to take on the contract he has. He will be here, he will whine before the snap, wreak havoc, then start whining again after the play. It does not matter. This guy is a player, he will whine before and after the play but he will play.

yes, he will play. 20-30% of the snaps, to be exact.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:44 pm**

brad7686 wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:
cowboykilla wrote:get rid of the over payed baby thats it.

I wish, no way he will be paid 21 mil and then cut. No team will be willing to take on the contract he has. He will be here, he will whine before the snap, wreak havoc, then start whining again after the play. It does not matter. This guy is a player, he will whine before and after the play but he will play.

yes, he will play. 20-30% of the snaps, to be exact.

even with 20 to 30 % he produces, or makes the guys around him more productive. Plus, we all need someone to make fun of in between plays. The way he flops around and look hurt LMAO, that's entertainment. A high priced one but hey, it is what it is. I'd rather have him on our team EVEN with baggage. =)

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:52 pm**

brad7686 wrote:yes, he will play. 20-30% of the snaps, to be exact.

Lorenzo Alexander and the rest of the world realizes that when you're 350lbs and taking on triple teams, you're going to get tired. More hyperbole from you I see...

Aside from that, he came here to play in a 4-3 and attack the QB. He's being to switch and absorb bodies. This is his career and life too, he is valid in being a bit unhappy. Hopefully a happy median will be achieved.

Sure we paid him 100 mil but he signed up for something totally different. We switched the game, not him.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:21 pm**

SKINFAN wrote:No team will be willing to take on the contract he has.

His contract now stands at 16 million for three years. Lots of teams would take that.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:23 pm**

cowboykilla wrote:Hey luva luva ur right but he cries to much about not playing nt we need somebody that will play no matter what dude you feel me.

Who cares how much he cries about it. Bottom line is he will play and play well.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:08 pm**

Deadskins wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:No team will be willing to take on the contract he has.

His contract now stands at 16 million for three years. Lots of teams would take that.

Sure they will, coz we already gave him 21mil roster bonus, unless I'm mistaken (happens a lot) Didn't we just pay him his due? If that is the case then it will be very very foolish to trade him now. At least let him "audition" this season for other teams while he plays for us.

If it is 16 mil for three years, then I still think we should hang on to him for 1 more year only to get some return on his signing bonus that we gave him last year. Either way we shouldn't let him out that easy.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:50 pm**

I'm still not sure that we are getting the right picture here - I think we are being given "reports" = I still think that Haynesworth is here for this season

lot's of rumors and innuendo flying around IMHO

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:26 am**

In my honest opinion Haynesworth should not play the NT. I am hoping the NT we picked up heals in time for the season. I prefer a 3-4 but do not want to see Haynesworth at the Nose.

If I were Haslett I would even consider Haynesworth at LDE/RDE even in rushing situations on the weakside OLB occasionally. Haynesworth has played defensive end in a 4-3 before on occasion with the Titans and from what I seen was good too.

I just hope cooler heads prevail. We need Haynesworth.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:10 am**

i could see that , we got fletcher to back that up, Albert may even be more valuble to the skins that way.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:24 am**

I'm thinking this is about, his cap hit after 2010. If we trade him, all of his unallocated bonus applies to 2010, the uncapped year. You keep him beyond this year and a new agreement is signed with a cap, our cap will be straddled with double digit millions for him for years...

A team getting him only deals with the very reasonable price of 16 mil for 3 years...that is a great deal. I believe we'll trade him and we'll get something good, but not of equal value, as teams know we want to dump the huge cap hit.

Once again, it just proves that Snyder and Vinnie didn't know their head from the butt.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:45 am**

Deadskins wrote:
cowboykilla wrote:Hey luva luva ur right but he cries to much about not playing nt we need somebody that will play no matter what dude you feel me.

Who cares how much he cries about it. Bottom line is he will play and play well.

On a team of 53 hoping to build something more than 4-12, you gotta do more than play well. Especially when you've been payed 32M over 14 months for 12 games of work. :shock:

For that much money, And on a team with a new coach trying to instill proper team work and discipline, you have to show up for voluntary mini-camp with the rest of your lesser paid teammates. You've got to ACTUALLY TRY playing in the defense before stating that you won't play in it. Haynesworth has to be a professional, practice like a professional and play like a professional for 32M over 14 months. Is that too much to ask? So far, it seems it is too much to ask. Which is why his whiny attitude might be wasting away in Detroit in a few weeks.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:48 am**

SkinsJock wrote:I'm still not sure that we are getting the right picture here - I think we are being given "reports" = I still think that Haynesworth is here for this season

lot's of rumors and innuendo flying around IMHO

You might be right, but a couple reports say Detroit, Tenn and TB have all been making offers. I think shanahan is waiting to see if Al shows up from mini camp on the 16th. If not, trade talks will ramp up to get a deal done before the draft. Skins will probably get a 1st round pick+ and use it to add more youth and depth.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:54 am**

fredp45 wrote:I'm thinking this is about, his cap hit after 2010. If we trade him, all of his unallocated bonus applies to 2010, the uncapped year. You keep him beyond this year and a new agreement is signed with a cap, our cap will be straddled with double digit millions for him for years...

A team getting him only deals with the very reasonable price of 16 mil for 3 years...that is a great deal. I believe we'll trade him and we'll get something good, but not of equal value, as teams know we want to dump the huge cap hit.

Once again, it just proves that Snyder and Vinnie didn't know their head from the butt.

I argued against Haynesworth last year when Danny/Vinny was rumored to be interested. You don't invest more money than anyone else on your team in a guy, like Haynesworth, who is not known for work ethic or leadership. The top paid guy carries the mantle of leadership whether he deserves it or not. It was a bad signing.

I still hope Al can grow up and show up. But my money is not on it happening.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:59 am**

HEROHAMO wrote:In my honest opinion Haynesworth should not play the NT. I am hoping the NT we picked up heals in time for the season. I prefer a 3-4 but do not want to see Haynesworth at the Nose.

If I were Haslett I would even consider Haynesworth at LDE/RDE even in rushing situations on the weakside OLB occasionally. Haynesworth has played defensive end in a 3-4 before with the Titans and from what I seen was good too.

I just hope cooler heads prevail. We need Haynesworth.

This isn't the issue! In fact, there was talk of Haslett using him at end. But then Albert didn't show up for work outs and is reporting he won't show up for camp. Now you hear Shanahan saying Albert will play NT. It is a power play. Shanahan is asserting that he is the coach and Albert Will do whatever Shanahan tells him to. After 32M in pay, Haynesworth should be willing to play Special Teams if they ask him to.

I bet if he actually showed up and practiced with the team, he'd find out that ALL the coaches want is to put haynesworth in the best position to be successful. If that position is not NT, they'll have him at end within days, guarantee you.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:08 pm**

fleetus wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
cowboykilla wrote:Hey luva luva ur right but he cries to much about not playing nt we need somebody that will play no matter what dude you feel me.

Who cares how much he cries about it. Bottom line is he will play and play well.

On a team of 53 hoping to build something more than 4-12, you gotta do more than play well. Especially when you've been payed 32M over 14 months for 12 games of work.

For that much money, And on a team with a new coach trying to instill proper team work and discipline, you have to show up for voluntary mini-camp with the rest of your lesser paid teammates. You've got to ACTUALLY TRY playing in the defense before stating that you won't play in it. Haynesworth has to be a professional, practice like a professional and play like a professional for 32M over 14 months. Is that too much to ask? So far, it seems it is too much to ask. Which is why his whiny attitude might be wasting away in Detroit in a few weeks.

Just remember he takes himself out of the game a lot for no apparent reason you know. By the way I think we can use the pick we get for him for somebody that wants to play here you know.

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:41 am**

fredp45 wrote:I'm thinking this is about, his cap hit after 2010. If we trade him, all of his unallocated bonus applies to 2010, the uncapped year. You keep him beyond this year and a new agreement is signed with a cap, our cap will be straddled with double digit millions for him for years...

A team getting him only deals with the very reasonable price of 16 mil for 3 years...that is a great deal. I believe we'll trade him and we'll get something good, but not of equal value, as teams know we want to dump the huge cap hit.

We've already paid the bonus. There is no huge cap hit looming. We are only dealing with that "very reasonable price of 16 mil for 3 years," too. Why trade him now?

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:11 am**

Deadskins wrote:
fredp45 wrote:I'm thinking this is about, his cap hit after 2010. If we trade him, all of his unallocated bonus applies to 2010, the uncapped year. You keep him beyond this year and a new agreement is signed with a cap, our cap will be straddled with double digit millions for him for years...

A team getting him only deals with the very reasonable price of 16 mil for 3 years...that is a great deal. I believe we'll trade him and we'll get something good, but not of equal value, as teams know we want to dump the huge cap hit.

We've already paid the bonus. There is no huge cap hit looming. We are only dealing with that "very reasonable price of 16 mil for 3 years," too. Why trade him now?

Because he doesn't want to be here. He's not a leader. He's not a team player. He takes plays off. he's hurt 4 games every season. we could move on with some decent draft picks. He isn't willling to try the 3-4. The wussified, no discipline ways of zorn are gone and we have an ACTUAL head coach who will not make exceptions for Haynesworth or anyone else. Is that enough reasons?

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:55 am**

I think Mike and Bruce will get together with Bruce and look at this and make a decision based on what is best for the team not what is the best for Haynesworth or what the media thinks Haynesworth feels about the defense here

I understand how things have been portrayed and I also heard an interview that IMO did not sound great BUT at the end of the day nothing really counts except Allen & Shanahan continuing to rebuild and remake this franchise and trying to put a consistently competitive product on the field

That all being said I think Haynesworth is here this year simply because we are not going to be able to get a team to give us a trade that makes this franchise better than if we kept Haynesworth while we rebuild and reshape this franchise

No player that was here last season will be here this season if we can make a trade that will help this franchise's long term plan

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:45 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:I think Mike and Bruce will get together with Bruce and look at this and make a decision based on what is best for the team not what is the best for Haynesworth or what the media thinks Haynesworth feels about the defense here

I understand how things have been portrayed and I also heard an interview that IMO did not sound great BUT at the end of the day nothing really counts except Allen & Shanahan continuing to rebuild and remake this franchise and trying to put a consistently competitive product on the field

That all being said I think Haynesworth is here this year simply because we are not going to be able to get a team to give us a trade that makes this franchise better than if we kept Haynesworth while we rebuild and reshape this franchise

No player that was here last season will be here this season if we can make a trade that will help this franchise's long term plan

Yeah, you have a point there. The media stirs up the hornets nest, stirs up the fans and we overblow things some. It wouldn't be shocked if Haynesworth stays. But to stay, I think he will have to submit to Shanahan's will. The other players will see it and Haynesworth will no longer be the petulant child who doesn't want to do his homework. :lol:

The sad thing is, if Haynesworth would have either reported to the voluntary work outs or at least announced he has plans to attend the upcoming mini-camp, all this could have been avoided.

If he would just try the defensive scheme Haslett is designing, he might find it puts him a great position to succeed.

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:02 pm**

fleetus wrote:Yeah, you have a point there. The media stirs up the hornets nest, stirs up the fans and we overblow things some

Yes, we really don't know what's going on. Fat Albert is a force though and now that his contract is cap friendly the next three years I have a hard time believing Shanahan will give him away for low compensation much less cut him. You just let him pout and sulk and go in for half the plays and be a wrecking ball. One thing that those who argue he's only half effective if he plays half the plays are wrong about though is that the half he's in wear down the O. Sure it'd be nice to have him in all the time, but the guy is a beast no matter how much he pouts and sulks. It's just part of who he is. Maybe it motivates him somehow. But we clearly do not know that he's not going to do what we want him to do just because the lazy media reports it the way they do.

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:19 pm**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
fleetus wrote:Yeah, you have a point there. The media stirs up the hornets nest, stirs up the fans and we overblow things some

Yes, we really don't know what's going on. Fat Albert is a force though and now that his contract is cap friendly the next three years I have a hard time believing Shanahan will give him away for low compensation much less cut him. You just let him pout and sulk and go in for half the plays and be a wrecking ball. One thing that those who argue he's only half effective if he plays half the plays are wrong about though is that the half he's in wear down the O. Sure it'd be nice to have him in all the time, but the guy is a beast no matter how much he pouts and sulks. It's just part of who he is. Maybe it motivates him somehow. But we clearly do not know that he's not going to do what we want him to do just because the lazy media reports it the way they do.

The question is, is it possible he eventually sees enough of Haslett's scheme to win him over? Could he ever put his pride aside and buy into the program? If yes, then we should keep him and hopefully the coaches show him he is to be the center piece of the defense, whether you call it a 3-4 or a 4-3 or a Hybrid. (and by center piece, I don't mean NT necessarily. I wouldn't play him at NT and I've said that since the very first Shanny 3-4 conversations on this board)

If Haynesworth is always going to be pouty and complain in the locker room and the media, then, I say, let's get value for him now. His value will be higher now, then if he struggles to accept his role in the 3-4. We don't want to be trading him next year, when he is a year older, has one less year on his existing contract and is one more year removed from showing his dominance on the field. In this case, his value is highest right now. We should trade him and get as many new players into camp so Shanahan can begin molding this team with players that want to be here.

Making the distinction between which Haynesworth will show up is a very fine line. Jeff Fisher had some issues with him, but for the most part they seemed to co-exist well. But he was drafted by the Titans and wasn't expected to be a leader in the early days. Now he's a veteran with a huge salary and bonuses and as such is expected to set an example. He may not ever be a guy who can live up to that expectation.

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:09 pm**

fleetus wrote: If he would just try the defensive scheme Haslett is designing, he might find it puts him a great position to succeed.

Here's something you may not have heard before:

“I think it’s going to be exciting. He’s a very experienced coach, he knows how to win and he knows how to build a team. I’m excited about it. I’m glad he’s our coach. He was definitely the best one out there. I’m just ready to get back to work and see what he brings to the table.”

Shanahan is not the only new coach Haynesworth will be working with next season with the Redskins. Jim Haslett has been named the new defensive coordinator of the team and Haynesworth explained why he had such difficulties last season and how having Haslett will help him dramatically.

“When I started saying that stuff, back in the early hours of the first day free agency, they were saying ‘We’re going to do this, were going to be just like the Titans. We just want to let you lose, just dominate, you know, just go.’ Well, we get to the season and it’s just like he basically wasn’t doing that. When you put me in a structured defense, where I just have to sit there the whole time getting double and triple teamed, it made it very hard for me to succeed. I thought you were going to be creative and move me around. They didn’t really do that so that’s why my frustrations came out towards the end of the season. I talked to Jim Haslett and he plans on using me like they did with the Titans. He’s talked to a couple of Titans coaches and former Titans coaches and that’s what he said he’s planning on doing. Just kind of letting me loose and letting me play the game.”

Of course, with new coordinators come new changes in how the game is played and Haslett is no different. The type of defense Haslett employs is a 3-4 defense, a defense Haynesworth is not familiar with at all, yet he is open to it looks forward to playing it.

“At first I was a little iffy to it because I’ve never played in the 3-4. I don’t have a clue to how it’s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I’ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we’re doing that and I’m not just at one position, I’m fine, I’m fine with it.”

With these coaching changes, Haynesworth now believes his team is more ready than ever to become a contender for postseason dreams in the NFL.

“The players, I think we have the pieces there. We just need a puzzle master to put it together. I don’t think we need a whole lot more changes. Maybe a couple more tweaks here and there. Right now I’m satisfied with the talent that we have.”

That doesn't sound like the 3-4 is a issue with Mr Haslet and Mr Haynesworth

Posted: **Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:29 am**

fleetus wrote:The question is, is it possible he eventually sees enough of Haslett's scheme to win him over? Could he ever put his pride aside and buy into the program? If yes, then we should keep him

fleetus wrote:If Haynesworth is always going to be pouty and complain in the locker room and the media, then, I say, let's get value for him now

The choices are that both happen or only the second one does. If the quote per Nik works out, what are you going to do since they are both going to happen and you are saying we both keep and dump him?

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