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skinsfan#33 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote: but the cold, hard, facts are that the guy had an insane cap number, was due a lot of money this year, hasn't been healthy for a long time, was just awful last year.

HE WAS NOT AWFUL last year! You might say by the end of the season when he was hurt he wasn't playing well, but AWFUL. Wow!

His pass blocking was awful. He is still a good run blocker. I think Zorn wants JC to succeed. That's means he's going to favor a decent pass blocker over a decent run blocker who is poor at pass blocking.

I love JJ, he's a true redskin but do you really believe a player can be a team leader making huge dollars when his skills have declined to the point where he was being over paid for several years.

SkinsFreak wrote:

DEHog wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Jon will be missed by Redskins nation... no doubt. He's been a fan favorite and he will be truly missed.

However, I agree it was a good move by the FO. Some here have complained that we let him go too early. It would've been extremely selfish for the Skins FO to hold on to him if they knew he didn't have much of a chance to start. Jon deserved the opportunity to sign with another team before mini camps and training camp starts. Maybe Jon himself knew he didn't have much of a chance to start and requested to be released so he could sign elsewhere, which apparently has happened pretty quickly.

A few years back, I remember Parcells' saying in an interview that he thought Jon wasn't the player he once was. And unfortunately, far too many injuries over the past few years. Last year he lost to starting job to Heyer, only to get it back when Heyer got hurt. At that point, I think they let Jon keep it just for continuity purposes on the o-line. But we need youth up front and it's time for others to step up.

This move is good for both the Skins and Jon. Sad to see ya go, but it was time. Good luck in Detroit, Jon.

Very well put and I agree...

Thanks DEHog... any yeah, I think we're on the same page.

Players get cut in this league all the time, it's the nature of the game... any game for that matter. It just happens sooner or later and every team has to make those tough decisions. My friend who is an Eagles insider was pissed when the released Brian Dawkins, as well as Buckhalter, Thomas and Runyan... all in the same offseason. But there's always going to be a younger, fresher, stronger, faster and motivated player pushing to replace the aging vets. It happens in every sport... it's just the way it is.

I've always loved Jansen and will always be grateful for his contributions during his tenure with the team. But quite frankly, I believe the Skins have been very patient with Jansen over the past few years and gave him every opportunity to succeed. His age and injuries have just caught up with him.

I don't think there's anyone here that thought Jasen was going to be a starter this year. Many were hoping to draft his replacement just a few short weeks ago. Jansen has been looking at a #2 back-up spot, at best, for a while now. They gave Jansen a shot at playing center and guard, but it appears they weren't impressed and I'm sure Jansen didn't want to play there anyway, wanting a shot at starting for another team, if that's where it would happen.

They obviously want to move in a direction of youth, and as much as we've all loved and respected Jansen, I think we all agree we've needed youth up front for some time now. I'll miss the guy, but on this one, I back Zorn and Buges on this decision. We all knew it was going to happen sooner or later...

What you said.... ditto

PulpExposure wrote:

I agree that his level of play is not what it used to be. But -EVEN- his detriorated level of game was good enough to compete against Heyer for the starting job and Williams remains a long shot.

And if Heyer gets injured -again- this season ... oh! please do not get me there.

From all that I can tell, Jeremy Bridges looks like the starter at RT, and Heyer looks to be moved back to being Samuels backup at LT.

So, we are letting go at least a great backup (a potential starter) in the name of an experiment?

Are you kidding me? And people expect JC to have a better season now?

OMG!!!

Redskin in Canada wrote:So, we are letting go at least a great backup (a potential starter) in the name of an experiment?

Are you kidding me? And people expect JC to have a better season now?

OMG!!!

You really should stop...

1. If he was in a position to be a great backup no one would have approached him about being a backup at another spot.

2. He flat out refused to consider being a backup center last year, but realized he had to try to do it this year to hang on to his roster spot.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Let us -ASSUME- that all this is right.

I only have ONE question under that hypothesis:

Why did it take so long for the FO to make this decision into the offseason?

I agree that his level of play is not what it used to be. But -EVEN- his detriorated level of game was good enough to compete against Heyer for the starting job and Williams remains a long shot.

And if Heyer gets injured -again- this season ... oh! please do not get me there.

First off, you're ALWAYS there but that's just you, you went to the dark side a long time ago. That's OK, because I don't see you coming to the light anytime soon but I won't be surprised when I see you in that limit gray area that I hang out in

Zorn was ready to release JJ at the end of last season but was more than likely told that he was stuck with him because.

1.) Didn't have a ANY depth at the RT spot.

2.) Free Agency had to come and go. You, me and JZ all knew your boy ("the Danny") wasn't coming up off any cap space until he had did what he wanted to do once the market opened.

3.) They picked up Williams and Bridges and all of a sudden Jon was a "option" as a backup center.

4.) Heyer gave JJ a run for the RT spot the past few years even though he came out of college as a LT.

Redskin in Canada wrote:This is a stupid move both ways:

It is stupid if it was made too early to allow him to prove himself during the rest of the offseason and to provide depth.

If Bats didn't have wings, they would be Rats.

"If" tells us you really don't know what kind of move this is. So why not just say that you have questions about the move, or the timing of it, or the thinking that went into it.

What's too early, anyway
Teams do this all the time with aging/often injured player.

IF they had waited to release him they ran the risk of him getting injured and truely paying him to do nothing. (ref: P Dainels 2008 stats vs his 2008 pay). I'm sure Jansen will see plenty of playing time now that he has gone back home (it couldn't have worked any better for him).

IMO what happen was perfect... not the cutting of a guy that bleed B&G and gave 100% whenever he took the field part, but the timing of it all part.

Like I said it happens all the time, Del-Rio gave Fred a call one weekend and pretty much had the same conversation that Zorn had with Jansen. "the Danny" flew him in and did it face to face.

Redskin in Canada wrote:It is a stupid decision if it was a foregone conclusion arrived way back when we SHOULD have addressed needs at the OL during the Draft and FA.

There you go with If again... I've had the same Sig for about three years, now I have to come up with something else .
IF you look at what happened, and how things have taken place in "the Danny's" world, you can tell this was a classy move (it's "the Danny's" world but he can't get a lot of credit for it, as it was more of a Zorn move than a front office move). The timing and the events that lead up to this shows that they took "If" into consideration way before you considered using it as a bases for calling it stupid.

IF they cut him at the end of last year or prior to March 1st a lot of things that happened this off season (things some of you refuse to or just won't admit were good moves), would not have.

Everyone says they needed to replace the aging members of the O-line, some of them specifically wanted those that took up a lot of cap space or were often injured out ASAP).

Waiting did more than make the offensive line younger or let the team have the cap space to sign a $100M DT and re-sign a CB like Hall.

Doesn't bringing back DD kind of put that whole "we SHOULD have addressed needs at the OL during the Draft and FA." to bed considering he does play OL and he was a free agent. But because we are now into beating dead horses around here let me ask you this question.
Wasn't Williams a former high draft pick selected as a OL and a 2009 free agent pick up?
Before you jump all over that, didn't they get some guy with the same last name who plays right in the middle of the OL , I was told he was picked up in April when the league got together and look at a bunch of kids that were finished with college football. Not to mentioned some guy named Bridges (that might be the 2009 starting RT) was free to sign with any team this off-season was somehow trick because Vinny C. got his name on a contract while not addressing the O-line this off season.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I agree with TC and SkinsJock. This move, never mind how anybody wishes to sugar coat it, does not represent proof of vision and a long term plan.

Sooner or later you'll stop pissing on every move and there won't be a need for sugar coaters. I must refer to Blow it Up
back in February I blogged that they needed to do it right away, but thought the heavy lifting was at lease a year away. It was well thought out but with no more info than anyone else with a IP address could get. The FO that you disapprove of so much (for mostly things they did in the past) has even more detailed info (I was off on what both AH and JJ would cost), yet they seem to be following a few of the paths that I laid out. Call it what you want, I call it them being a few steps ahead of us and it would be stupid to say they don't have a plan.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Jon Jansen I thank you for your work with us. You should hold your head high!

Hold his head high That would be stupid IF you're competing to be the protector of the #1 pick in the NFL draft and doing it in your home state. You hold your head high if you take the Redskins option and retire a Redskin (or the most wanted media personality in the DC metro area quicker than it took to get that Lions deal). He'll be competing against guys like LT Ephraim Salaam (currently a right tackle option in Detroit). If nothing else Matthew Stafford slept better last night, knowing JJ would be there Monday.

Redskin in Canada wrote:How many more great careers will not be taken full advantage of in this team due to the erratic behaviour of this FO?

If you can provide me the names of the great careers that haven't been taken advantage of and I'll give it a shot.

This isn't an attempt to defend the move or the F.O.

This wasn't a stupid move.

The Lions were going to get him regardless of how many teams put in waiver claims, because they were the only team to post a donut last year.

Cutting him after camps open would have given Jon a shot at being somebodies back up at best, would not have been stupid but would have been even harder on Jansen. He might be the starter in Detroit although the Skins didn't feel he could win a backup spot here (at more that one spot).

Cutting him after taking a look at where he will fit in the scheme of things, then trying to find a place for him to fit, wasn't stupid for reasons I've already stated.

Fred Taylor is in the top 15 in yards for running backs in the history of the NFL, he entire football history is rooted in sunny Florida. He got a phone call and ended up with a one year deal in NE. That's not how you treat a player that has done so much for your team. That's not how Jansen was treated, that would have been stupid. That's how the front office use to do it.


RiC I'm sure this want change your opinion of how Vinny and "the Danny" runs this team although there is almost nothing left to that horse, but I'll writing a blog in the near future detailing my issues with the little general and his lap dog. No sugar coating will help in this case, and there really isn't much to dispute what has caused so many gray hairs. More important for you is the fact that I haven't actually wrote this blog yet because the horse I'm riding while gathering my facts looks like he's got a week to ten days left in him, so as soon as he is on his last leg I'll drop him off to you. After you read the blog most won't blame you for beating it to death.

You might even leave the dark side and hang out in the gray area. I saw Chris here the other day, but I think he was headed to your place

From all that I can tell, Jeremy Bridges looks like the starter at RT, and Heyer looks to be moved back to being Samuels backup at LT.

Unfortunately you are probably right about Bridges being the starter. It's just hard to believe that the after the awful play of the oline last season, particularly in pass protection, that the only changes that we made were bringing in Dockery, Williams, and Bridges.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

From all that I can tell, Jeremy Bridges looks like the starter at RT, and Heyer looks to be moved back to being Samuels backup at LT.

Unfortunately you are probably right about Bridges being the starter. It's just hard to believe that the after the awful play of the oline last season, particularly in pass protection, that the only changes that we made were bringing in Dockery, Williams, and Bridges.

what? did you want a whole overhaul or something?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

From all that I can tell, Jeremy Bridges looks like the starter at RT, and Heyer looks to be moved back to being Samuels backup at LT.

Unfortunately you are probably right about Bridges being the starter. It's just hard to believe that the after the awful play of the oline last season, particularly in pass protection, that the only changes that we made were bringing in Dockery, Williams, and Bridges.

Who else (that was available) would you have wanted?

yupchagee wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

From all that I can tell, Jeremy Bridges looks like the starter at RT, and Heyer looks to be moved back to being Samuels backup at LT.

Unfortunately you are probably right about Bridges being the starter. It's just hard to believe that the after the awful play of the oline last season, particularly in pass protection, that the only changes that we made were bringing in Dockery, Williams, and Bridges.

Who else (that was available) would you have wanted?

It's hard to jump on what CS26 posted, considering most won't even admitt that any moves were made to address the O-line. All three have starting experience and most rookies wouldn't have been ready to step in now (which is what is needed). All are under 30 and two should end up as starters DD is a lock at guard the other two will compete for the tackle spot.

ChocolateMilk wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

From all that I can tell, Jeremy Bridges looks like the starter at RT, and Heyer looks to be moved back to being Samuels backup at LT.

Unfortunately you are probably right about Bridges being the starter. It's just hard to believe that the after the awful play of the oline last season, particularly in pass protection, that the only changes that we made were bringing in Dockery, Williams, and Bridges.

what? did you want a whole overhaul or something?

Not an overhaul. I wanted the team to find a starting caliber RT considering that Heyer isn't very good and Bridges has never even started an entire season's worth of games in his six seasons in the NFL. RT has been a weak spot on this team for several years and considering how putrid our offense, particulary our passing offense, was last season I don't understand how the team can continue to overlook the importance of the guys up front.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I don't understand how the team can continue to overlook the importance of the guys up front.

A lot of us feel the same way, however I have a "strange" thought process when it comes to this team and those that are in charge. For some reason I think they are OK on the O-Line and we are missing something. All I can do now is wait and see and hope that I'm right. Then figure out how I missed whatever it is that they did/are doing

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I don't understand how the team can continue to overlook the importance of the guys up front.

A lot of us feel the same way, however I have a "strange" thought process when it comes to this team and those that are in charge. For some reason I think they are OK on the O-Line and we are missing something. All I can do now is wait and see and hope that I'm right. Then figure out how I missed whatever it is that they did/are doing

First off, I don't agree with the consensus on this board that Heyer sucks. You can't just move players from the left side of the OL to the right side, and expect them to immediately play at the same level.

Secondly, I've read several comments by Bugel stating that Reinhart really came on at the end of last season, so I'm thinking we have some good depth there.

Next, I think Mike Williams is going to surprise some people and be heavily in the mix at RT, if not the outright starter.

And lastly, the other Williams may be our future center, so I think we are not as hard up on the OL as some of the Chicken Littles here would have you believe.

Unfortunately, the pre-season is still about two and a half months away, so we will have to endure this "the sky is falling" chorus for at least that much longer, and probably for another month after that.

As we do every year about this time.

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I don't understand how the team can continue to overlook the importance of the guys up front.

A lot of us feel the same way, however I have a "strange" thought process when it comes to this team and those that are in charge. For some reason I think they are OK on the O-Line and we are missing something. All I can do now is wait and see and hope that I'm right. Then figure out how I missed whatever it is that they did/are doing

okay 1niksder - count me in, for now.

I hope you're close to right on this, but despite the reference to RiC only bringing up the past in his diatribes, the fact remains that these bozos have a past that causes many of us to be a little nervous. I will admit that recently there have been glimmers of hope but I just am not that ready to give them any credit when they have not produced a product that is consistently competitive.

I also am hopeful that there is some plan in place to ensure we have a great offensive line and an offense that has a really good QB running an effective game plan again - I'm still just a little nervous about these guys. They were about to give up 2 x #1 picks for a QB, this is NOT GOOD, but, in fairness they did not.

I have a feeling that we might be in for more panic moves if things do not work out this year (that would be unfair to many players and coaches - we need to let this team rebuild this offense first and that is not going to happen this year) ...

we shall see and I am looking forward to your blog on this soon

The only thing I have to add is stop worrying about what almost happened and coulda happened because it didn't. There's enough to discuss that actually happened without throwing out what almost happened, because in reality, we have no idea how close it was to actually happening or how accurate the details are that were publicized.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Jon Jansen I thank you for your work with us. You should hold your head high!

Hold his head high That would be stupid IF you're competing to be the protector of the #1 pick in the NFL draft and doing it in your home state. You hold your head high if you take the Redskins option and retire a Redskin (or the most wanted media personality in the DC metro area quicker than it took to get that Lions deal). He'll be competing against guys like LT Ephraim Salaam (currently a right tackle option in Detroit). If nothing else Matthew Stafford slept better last night, knowing JJ would be there Monday.
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I agree with Redskin in Canada on this. Jansen has been everything Gibbs would have wanted out of a "core Redskin" even if Gibbs didn't seem to appreciate him but that's another thing. 1niksder keeps saying it wasn't a stupid move. I'm still waiting to hear why it was a smart move. Jansen looks to come out of this OK although I do agree that he could have gotten a great deal working in the sports media in DC. As it stands, he'll probably be a part of the resurgence of the Lions franchise and then cover them for the next 10 years right from his home town. He's good, too. I was looking forward to seeing him cover the Skins. B Mitch is cool but Lavar has got to go.

fastwb wrote:I'm still waiting to hear why it was a smart move.

I can give you three reasons:

1. It clears up a roster spot for a younger player to fill.

2. We take the cap hit this year, so next year when we want to add a FA we will have the money available.

3. We do not have to pay a roster bonus to a backup.

If the coaches believe that Jansen will not be playing this year, this is a very smart move.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote: but the cold, hard, facts are that the guy had an insane cap number, was due a lot of money this year, hasn't been healthy for a long time, was just awful last year.

The part in bold is an EXTREME exaggeration on your part. From the time he regained his starting job in week 3 until somewhere around week 8 Jon was playing as well as any RT in the NFL. He led the way for the NFL's leading rusher and protected a QB that Jaws was saying was the mid-season MVP.

A lot of the sacks that he got blamed for by the fans and media wasn't his responsiblity, another player had that guy, like a certain probowl TE. I bet Jon was charged with giving up less sacks than the LT that played in Buffalo that the Eagles just traded for.

HE WAS NOT AWFUL last year! You might say by the end of the season when he was hurt he wasn't playing well, but AWFUL. Wow!

Jansen was by far the worst starting lineman on our team last year. Yes, for a few weeks he was run blocking great. However, for the entire season, he just may have been the worst pass protector at tackle for the Redskins that I've ever seen in my 28 years of watching the NFL.

If that doesn't qualify as awful, I don't know what does.

Oh I don't know about Jansen as the worst RT in the last 3 decades. Anybody remember Shar Pourdanesh? He had some pretty awful games.

As to the reasons it was a smart move:

He would actually be a much smaller cap hit next year and doesn't really save us much of anything from a cap perspective. Besides who knows what's up with the cap next year anyway. There may not even be one and if there is it ought to be higher so this move has no real bearing on the cap.

As to paying big bucks to a back-up, when has that been a problem for Danny boy? He spent big money and a draft pick for T.J. Duckett and he never even stepped on the field, nevermind that he really wasn't needed anyway with Betts and Cartwright backing up Portis.

Your point about freeing up a roster spot for younger talent has some validity but not much when you consider that they usually keep 10 O-linemen. We don't have that many talented youngsters to keep around anyway.

Lets just face it. This is another one of those WTF moves by the FO that just happens to have the added twist in the gut of screwing over a fan favorite player regardless of what y'all think of his current ability.

This just sucks. Plain and simple.

fastwb wrote:As to the reasons it was a smart move:

He would actually be a much smaller cap hit next year and doesn't really save us much of anything from a cap perspective. Besides who knows what's up with the cap next year anyway. There may not even be one and if there is it ought to be higher so this move has no real bearing on the cap.

As to paying big bucks to a back-up, when has that been a problem for Danny boy? He spent big money and a draft pick for T.J. Duckett and he never even stepped on the field, nevermind that he really wasn't needed anyway with Betts and Cartwright backing up Portis.

Your point about freeing up a roster spot for younger talent has some validity but not much when you consider that they usually keep 10 O-linemen. We don't have that many talented youngsters to keep around anyway.

Lets just face it. This is another one of those WTF moves by the FO that just happens to have the added twist in the gut of screwing over a fan favorite player regardless of what y'all think of his current ability.

This just sucks. Plain and simple.

Actually, you're wrong on each count.

1. We are saving more than $1 million on next year's cap by making the move now. The fact that the cap will go up, only means there will be even more room to sign more FA's. There will be a cap in 2010. You can bet on that.

2. I didn't say pay big bucks for a backup. I said pay a roster bonus to a backup (who, according to the coaches, would not be seeing the field anyway). Past mistakes only prove that the FO is learning and not making the same error.

3. You can't know about the young guys we have right now, because they haven't played yet. But Jansen would be taking practice reps away from their development, so your point there is incorrect as well.

And 4. (since you added that one) No we didn't screw Jansen over. They offered him a chance to retire a Redskin, but he wanted to keep playing, so less than 24 hours later, he has a new job playing for his home team, with an excellent chance to be the starter. Plus they told him face to face, giving him the respect he was due as a fan favorite, and workhorse he has been for this team.

To some on this board, no matter what the FO does, they will be stupid for doing it.

The Redskins cut Jansen more as a favor to Jansen than to themselves. Sure they could have kept him hanging around, knowing he wouldn't make it through the pre-season cuts, but they didn't. The moment they were sure they didn't need him (in their opinion, which is the only one that counts) they cut him so that he could still have time to get on with someone else if he wanted to.

Now here's where I speculate (because I truly don't know what all happened)

They told Jansen he wasn't going to play this year and gave him the option of retiring.

He wasn't ready to do that yet.

They sought a trade with Detroit (quietly) to see if they could get even a 6th or 7th round pick for him. They couldn't.

Detroit now knew the Redskins intended to cut him, and that he was interested in playing for them (based on conversations with the FO) and simply waited to snatch him up off of waivers (which explains why it didn't take Detroit more than a hot minute to snatch him up.)

Now certainly the above is all speculation but it fits the facts.

Also possible would be that the Redskins made no calls to Detroit, and Jansen got on his cell the moment he walked out of the Redskins' office and called his agent to see if Detroit had any interest in him.

Either way seems to fit, but in both ways it seems like the Redskins treated him with the respect earned over his 13 years with the team.

I think we all agree that if Jansen couldn't play for the Redskins, than Detroit is the best alternative for him.

fastwb wrote:As to paying big bucks to a back-up, when has that been a problem for Danny boy? He spent big money and a draft pick for T.J. Duckett and he never even stepped on the field, nevermind that he really wasn't needed anyway with Betts and Cartwright backing up Portis.

TJ Duckett 2006
Washington Redskins 10G 0GS 38carries 132yds 3.5ave 19long 2TD

Nice exaggeration. He didn't see much time, but he did see time.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

fastwb wrote:As to paying big bucks to a back-up, when has that been a problem for Danny boy? He spent big money and a draft pick for T.J. Duckett and he never even stepped on the field, nevermind that he really wasn't needed anyway with Betts and Cartwright backing up Portis.

TJ Duckett 2006
Washington Redskins 10G 0GS 38carries 132yds 3.5ave 19long 2TD

Nice exaggeration. He didn't see much time, but he did see time.

And he still wasn't worth two draft picks. That was a stupid trade.

The redskins insider had some quotes from Andre Carter about the RT position today. The writer mentions Carter lining up against Heyer in practice. Anyone hear anything about Carter playing LDE?

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/01/mon ... #continued

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

fastwb wrote:As to paying big bucks to a back-up, when has that been a problem for Danny boy? He spent big money and a draft pick for T.J. Duckett and he never even stepped on the field, nevermind that he really wasn't needed anyway with Betts and Cartwright backing up Portis.

TJ Duckett 2006
Washington Redskins 10G 0GS 38carries 132yds 3.5ave 19long 2TD

Nice exaggeration. He didn't see much time, but he did see time.

And he still wasn't worth two draft picks. That was a stupid trade.

And the point was he exaggerated his points to support his BS theory.

1niksder wrote:You really should stop...

Make me.

The FUNDAMENTAL issue is that we did not Draft anybody in support of the RT or much help for the OL for that matter.


If he was as bad as you put it, Why was a quality FA or a Rookie from the Draft not signed?

First off, you're ALWAYS there but that's just you,

This is CRAP. I am reminding everybody that Heyer got hurt last season and if it happens again we are in deep trouble. In fact, pick your spot in the OL for an injury and we are in deep trouble.

Zorn was ready to release JJ at the end of last season but was more than likely told that he was stuck with him because.

1.) Didn't have a ANY depth at the RT spot.

2.) Free Agency had to come and go. You, me and JZ all knew your boy ("the Danny") wasn't coming up off any cap space until he had did what he wanted to do once the market opened.

So, now we have depth ???

Now do we have a brilliant FA to take the spot???

Either you are full of it or I missed the headlines.

3.) They picked up Williams and Bridges and all of a sudden Jon was a "option" as a backup center.

And you are betting the season on this scenario??? Are you serious???

4.) Heyer gave JJ a run for the RT spot the past few years even though he came out of college as a LT.

And if the situation is and was so dire, Why was help not brought in to the OL and the RT position before???

If Bats didn't have wings, they would be Rats.

Well I am giving the TWO scenarios which cover the situation 100% , what else do you want?

"If" tells us you really don't know what kind of move this is. So why not just say that you have questions about the move, or the timing of it, or the thinking that went into it.

My point is that the MOVE shows a lack of vision and long term planning.

IF they had waited to release him they ran the risk of him getting injured and truely paying him to do nothing. (ref: P Dainels 2008 stats vs his 2008 pay). I'm sure Jansen will see plenty of playing time now that he has gone back home (it couldn't have worked any better for him).

True. They should NOT HAVE waited for either if they are that OLD AND USELESS as you establish in your post.

There you go with If again... I've had the same Sig for about three years, now I have to come up with something else .

Stupid Front Office. All they have to do is read your signature.

Everyone says they needed to replace the aging members of the O-line, some of them specifically wanted those that took up a lot of cap space or were often injured out ASAP).

We do nothave a Front Office. We have expert CRAPologists. They can manage the money They cannot manage the team.

Sooner or later you'll stop pissing on every move and there won't be a need for sugar coaters. I must refer to Blow it Up
back in February I blogged that they needed to do it right away, but thought the heavy lifting was at lease a year away. It was well thought out but with no more info than anyone else with a IP address could get. The FO that you disapprove of so much (for mostly things they did in the past) has even more detailed info (I was off on what both AH and JJ would cost), yet they seem to be following a few of the paths that I laid out. Call it what you want, I call it them being a few steps ahead of us and it would be stupid to say they don't have a plan.

Look I got tired of reading your post.

The proof will be on the record this year. You say this was a GREAT MOVE for all kinds of reasons. I say it was CRAP not only releasing JJ but having no real answer to the OL situation overall and the RT position in particular.

If you are right I will eat crow. But if I am RIGHT you and a few other posters, the apologists, will have to swallow it rather raw.