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DEHog wrote:

2.) I love ey, check his blog out all the time, it's great. But ey had to compete with great Redskins tight ends like Clint Didier, Don Warren, Jamie Asher and Steven Alexander.

Asher and Alexander??? How bout Jerry Smith

Yeah... I didn't get that one either...

BTW, CH... I love me some ey, too, but if Jerry Smith ain't in the hall, there's no way...

TE's have the hardest time of all regular players to get in, it seems.

PulpExposure wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Try to recognize a future HOF'er when you see one. It impresses the guys.

Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I love this post here. A great example of who cute the "staff" are, always sticking up for one another, trying to team up on posters. I love it. It's like a team effort with you guys --- never letting one staff member actually finish something on their own. I wish the skins played opposing teams as well the staff here does against dissenting posters. It is cute, really.

And skinsfan55, I will try and answer your post, I just don't really feel like getting into all the responses yet, I have alot and I am a little tired.

markshark84 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Try to recognize a future HOF'er when you see one. It impresses the guys.

Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I love this post here. A great example of who cute the "staff" are, always sticking up for one another, trying to team up on posters. I love it. It's like a team effort with you guys --- never letting one staff member actually finish something on their own. I wish the skins played opposing teams as well the staff here does against dissenting posters. It is cute, really.

And skinsfan55, I will try and answer your post, I just don't really feel like getting into all the responses yet, I have alot and I am a little tired.

And, pray, just which member of the "Staff" was PulpExposure "ganging up" on CH with?

(hint: Skinsfan55 isn't staff)

Countertrey wrote:

DEHog wrote:

2.) I love ey, check his blog out all the time, it's great. But ey had to compete with great Redskins tight ends like Clint Didier, Don Warren, Jamie Asher and Steven Alexander.

Asher and Alexander??? How bout Jerry Smith

Yeah... I didn't get that one either...

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Saying that ey's franchise records for a TE don't really count for a lot because the franchise has had some either (a) pretty pathetic tight ends (like Asher and Alexander), or (b) were TEs who were primarily blockers (like Warren).

I'll leave Markshark84's conspiracy theory alone, no idea why he said that.

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Cappster wrote:On a sad note, CB just lost his record for most touchdowns thrown in college football history.

You guys really think Colt can play in the NFL???

If given a real shot , yes. Under Zorns guidance I think he can become a very successful QB.

Of course, you have also been on record as advocating that Lavar be made the starting SAM once again...

I actually prefer Lavar on the weak side. Oh and yes everyone knows I am a Lavar supporter.

Colt is the future! Jason Campbell just stunk up the joint. I need a breathe of fresh air already.

Countertrey wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Try to recognize a future HOF'er when you see one. It impresses the guys.

Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I love this post here. A great example of who cute the "staff" are, always sticking up for one another, trying to team up on posters. I love it. It's like a team effort with you guys --- never letting one staff member actually finish something on their own. I wish the skins played opposing teams as well the staff here does against dissenting posters. It is cute, really.

And skinsfan55, I will try and answer your post, I just don't really feel like getting into all the responses yet, I have alot and I am a little tired.

And, pray, just which member of the "Staff" was PulpExposure "ganging up" on CH with?

(hint: Skinsfan55 isn't staff)

Ouch.

PulpExposure wrote:Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I don't agree with that assessment. If you put ey on the right team, I think he could be a HOFer. He's certainly a candidate for MVP of this team.

Countertrey wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Try to recognize a future HOF'er when you see one. It impresses the guys.

Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I love this post here. A great example of who cute the "staff" are, always sticking up for one another, trying to team up on posters. I love it. It's like a team effort with you guys --- never letting one staff member actually finish something on their own. I wish the skins played opposing teams as well the staff here does against dissenting posters. It is cute, really.

And skinsfan55, I will try and answer your post, I just don't really feel like getting into all the responses yet, I have alot and I am a little tired.

And, pray, just which member of the "Staff" was PulpExposure "ganging up" on CH with?

(hint: Skinsfan55 isn't staff)

Actually, you. I find this common. I was a bit tired when making this post, so I am not sure if the "gang up" was on this page or another.

Nice job pulling that out of your butt. I have re-read my post, and it does not appear combative at all. Rather, it is a post from a long term Redskins fan and member, disagreeing with another long term Redskins fan and member, in which I raise a debating point.

So, your assertion is that staff is not permitted to discuss the Redskins if his position is the same as another member of the staff...

I beg your pardon... as I scan the threads, I see no evidence that our involvement has done anything to stem debate. Looks pretty healthy to me.

Countertrey wrote:Nice job pulling that out of your butt. I have re-read my post, and it does not appear combative at all. Rather, it is a post from a long term Redskins fan and member, disagreeing with another long term Redskins fan and member, in which I raise a debating point.

So, your assertion is that staff is not permitted to discuss the Redskins if his position is the same as another member of the staff...

I beg your pardon... as I scan the threads, I see no evidence that our involvement has done anything to stem debate. Looks pretty healthy to me.

I just want to point out Big Ben was the most sacked Qb this year, and the Steelers were division champs.

Our line is good enough for a Qb to play well under. JC is just not getting it done.

JSPB22 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I don't agree with that assessment. If you put ey on the right team, I think he could be a HOFer. He's certainly a candidate for MVP of this team.

ey is a good TE.

He is not a GREAT TE.

He is not the clutch player he should have become when we needed him the most. EVERY TIME he drops or fumbles a ball, we lose. I can remember some critical times at the worst possible situation in third downs.

He CAN get to be our clutch player and to be fair it might be the QB. But he is not an MVP let alone a HOFer. Ican count quite a few TEs better than him at this time (Gates, D. Clark, Gonzalez, etc).

John Manfreda wrote:I just want to point out Big Ben was the most sacked Qb this year, and the Steelers were division champs.

Our line is good enough for a Qb to play well under. JC is just not getting it done.

Let me correct myself, Matt Cassel was the leagues most sacked qb, than Big Ben, but point is still proven, our line is good enough for a qb to produce. As long as he is good.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Uh...I love ey as a player, but he's not even the best TE in the NFC East, let alone in the NFL. No way he's a Hall of Fame TE.

I don't agree with that assessment. If you put ey on the right team, I think he could be a HOFer. He's certainly a candidate for MVP of this team.

ey is a good TE.

He is not a GREAT TE.

He is not the clutch player he should have become when we needed him the most. EVERY TIME he drops or fumbles a ball, we lose. I can remember some critical times at the worst possible situation in third downs.

He CAN get to be our clutch player and to be fair it might be the QB. But he is not an MVP let alone a HOFer. Ican count quite a few TEs better than him at this time (Gates, D. Clark, Gonzalez, etc).

Well, I disagree. So there!

Its unfair to say that about ey IMHO! He hasn't been given a fair shot. ALl of those TE's you mentioned aren't hampered by having to stay in to block all season long. ey's been inhibited since he was drafted. Put him on the Colt's and he'd be in heaven.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Its unfair to say that about ey IMHO! He hasn't been given a fair shot. ALl of those TE's you mentioned aren't hampered by having to stay in to block all season long. ey's been inhibited since he was drafted. Put him on the Colt's and he'd be in heaven.

And until this season he had scored more TDs than any of those other TEs during his career. He compares well to any other TEs in the league IMO.

JSPB22 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Its unfair to say that about ey IMHO! He hasn't been given a fair shot. ALl of those TE's you mentioned aren't hampered by having to stay in to block all season long. ey's been inhibited since he was drafted. Put him on the Colt's and he'd be in heaven.

And until this season he had scored more TDs than any of those other TEs during his career. He compares well to any other TEs in the league IMO.

Yeah he does, but they're not all going to the Hall of Fame. There's a difference between being a good, even great player...and being a hall of fame player. You know that. Tony Gonzales will go to the Hall of Fame. There have been a total of SEVEN TEs in the Hall of Fame, with the most recent being Ozzie Newsome in 1990. It's just not a position where a ton of people get elected to.

Who's to say what ey can and cannot do when he isn't be used properly.

Everyone said Walt Harris wasn't a starting caliber DB when he was here.... Look at when he did in SanFran. I've learned that there are too many issues with this team to accurately gauge anybody.

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Cappster wrote:On a sad note, CB just lost his record for most touchdowns thrown in college football history.

You guys really think Colt can play in the NFL???

If given a real shot , yes. Under Zorns guidance I think he can become a very successful QB.

Of course, you have also been on record as advocating that Lavar be made the starting SAM once again...

Actually I would rather have him at the weak side. But, Washington is getting old so he would be needed at the strong side. He could also be used as a defensive end as well. He did register 10 sacks when he played on the line.
This is of course if Lavar decided to play again and got back in shape. Which it seems he is not. Still a Lavar supporter and always will be.

Anyhow back to the subject. We have seen Jason Campbell for two years in a row now. So far not so good. He started to show progress then fell short in the end of the season. He has had a fair shot so far. We can play the blame game all we want to. Make excuses there are many.
The bottom line is he has been sub par.

I just want to see Colt get a real shot during training camp. I am confident he will too.

Zorn hand picked Colt in the draft. Campbell is Gibbs pick. So Zorn is giving Campbell a fair shot for now. If Campbell still does not get it together by next year he has to hit the bench.

Campbell also has the luxury of having a good running game. Yet he still fails. Six more games with at least a 4-2 record. That should be fair enough. All the while prepping Brennan , just in case.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Who's to say what ey can and cannot do when he isn't be used properly.

Everyone said Walt Harris wasn't a starting caliber DB when he was here.... Look at when he did in SanFran. I've learned that there are too many issues with this team to accurately gauge anybody.

This is true. I was really surprised about Walt Harris when he went to San Fran. Lloyd isn't excelling, but he's doing a lot better than he did here as well. I'll always support the Maroon & Black, but there's a question mark in the back of my mind sometimes now about who's fault is where...

C'mon guys - really good to great players and especially Hall of Fame players find a way to get it done. Being "on the right team at the right time" helps but really great players make a difference.

I think ey is very good but it would surprise me a lot if he makes it into the HoF. He's just not quite the complete TE - I am a ey fan and I think we are a lot better with him but he's not the complete package that a Gates or Gonzalez is. Plus, this is a very difficult position to get into the HoF and while ey has many more years I will be pleasantly surprised if he gets in.

I think ey will be a lot better if we see a marked improvement from Davis - I'm hoping that combo will be a force this year

Back to Brennan for a second - I know that I'm prejudiced but I certainly hope for Zorn and whoever is QB's sake, that we also see Thomas and Kelly get it all together this year as well.

I think ey will be a lot better if we see a marked improvement from Davis - I'm hoping that combo will be a force this year Wink

I don't mean to nitpick your post, but I've seen several posts from people talking about how productive ey and Davis can be at the same time. Honestly I think that that is a load of nonsense and is the very reason why drafting Davis wasn't a smart move. There were a few teams that had decent contribution from two tight ends this past season. New Orleans had Billy Miller catch 45 passes for 579 and Shockey (who missed games) had 50 catches and 483 yards. For Miami Fassano had 34 catches and 454 yards and Martin had 31 catches for 450 yards. None of those four players (at this point) are anywhere near the player that ey is. So I'm wondering how people expect both Davis and ey to be productive in the same offense? Sure we could reduce ey's touches but how does that help the offense? ey is arguably our most reliable receiving threat so reducing his PT and giving Davis more plays makes no sense at all.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I think ey will be a lot better if we see a marked improvement from Davis - I'm hoping that combo will be a force this year Wink

I don't mean to nitpick your post, but I've seen several posts from people talking about how productive ey and Davis can be at the same time. Honestly I think that that is a load of nonsense and is the very reason why drafting Davis wasn't a smart move. There were a few teams that had decent contribution from two tight ends this past season. New Orleans had Billy Miller catch 45 passes for 579 and Shockey (who missed games) had 50 catches and 483 yards. For Miami Fassano had 34 catches and 454 yards and Martin had 31 catches for 450 yards. None of those four players (at this point) are anywhere near the player that ey is. So I'm wondering how people expect both Davis and ey to be productive in the same offense? Sure we could reduce ey's touches but how does that help the offense? ey is arguably our most reliable receiving threat so reducing his PT and giving Davis more plays makes no sense at all.

You cater your game plan around your strengths. If we have two top-teir TEs and don't use them to their strengths, then what good is that? Instead of running 3 WR, 1 TE, we can run 2 TE, 2 WR. What is the difference as long as we're running the best 4 receivers on the field? Oh, because there are 3 better receivers(excluding ey, whi is our best receiver IMO) on the skins roster RIGHT NOW PERFORMING... right?

Thanks Vet - I agree - I think that we should be tailoring the offense to suit the players you have - Davis offers a different TE threat to the opponent than ey - picking another TE the same as ey might have been a mistake BUT selecting a TE like Davis that (hopefully when combined with Thomas & Kelly) provides for more weapons to our scoring machine is a big plus - we should be so lucky that next year (Thomas, Kelly and Davis) show the NFC East why there were so many people in the NFL that thought (in March) we were very lucky to get these 3 guys.

I am a very biased supporter but I really think these 3 will have big year's with us - hopefully our game planning and QB can take better advantage of that and our great running back this year - we have to find a way to score more points to help this great defense we have had for the past few years

SkinsJock* wrote:our scoring machine

Someone needs to call a mechanic; I think our machine is on the fritz.