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Here is a list of unrestricted free agents at the DB position this offseason:

Nnamdi Asomugha OAK
Mike Brown CHI
Brian Dawkins PHI
Dawan Landry BAL
Dunta Robinson HOU
Oshiomogho Atogwe STL
Tyron Brackenridge, KC
Phillip Buchanon TB
Chris Gamble CAR
Jabari Greer BUF
Kelvin Hayden IND
Renaldo Hill MIA
Daven Holly CLE
Sean Jones CLE
Bryant McFadden PIT
R.W. McQuarters NYG
Justin Miller NYJ

.....just to name a few.

There are a couple guys on here I would take over Carlos.

jdubya wrote:your first post.

Irn-Bru wrote: but we're not going to get much better in the FA market.

In the end, I disagree with your analysis. There are plenty of better coverage guys in the NFL. There are also guys that can cover and create takeaways. Rogers thinks he is better than he is, and he is going to want more than he is worth if we keep him. Snyder will pay him too.

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers.

If we cant get crap for him then so be it. But we have better talent than him on our own roster.

Look, I would love to be proved wrong in 2009. Have Rogers come out and be a beast, play 16 games, get a bunch of picks, and be the guy you think he is. I would be happy to be wrong.

I just don't see it though.

That is all I have to say about this.

The little factoid that you fail to acknowledge is that we have to be able to afford these better coverage corners. Rogers is serviceable as #2 corner. You can lean coverage help his way if it's warranted, but Rogers isn't that bad.

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers

Who's going to start the 4-8 games that Springs can't go? Smoot? Who's covering nickel duties then when Smoot steps up from nickel to #2 for the games that Springs can't go, and there WILL be games that Springs can't go.

COme on man. You are talking about the Redskins.

They have always found ways to get cap space. When has the cap ever stopped the Danny from getting someone he wants?

jdubya wrote:Here is a list of unrestricted free agents at the DB position this offseason:

Nnamdi Asomugha OAK
Mike Brown CHI Safety
Brian Dawkins PHISafety
Dawan Landry BALSafety
Dunta Robinson HOU
Oshiomogho Atogwe STL
Tyron Brackenridge, KC
Phillip Buchanon TB
Chris Gamble CAR
Jabari Greer BUF
Kelvin Hayden IND
Renaldo Hill MIA
Daven Holly CLE
Sean Jones CLE
Bryant McFadden PIT
R.W. McQuarters NYG
Justin Miller NYJ

.....just to name a few.

There are a couple guys on here I would take over Carlos.

What did you do, google DB FA? Most of these guys haven't started more than a year, in their 30s, or, I don't, know, PLAY SAFETY. The majority of their stats aren't better than Rogers. There MAY be one that is starting caliber there that's not too old to trade for. It's not smart football to trade a 27 yo for a 32 yo in the case of one of your examples, RW McQuarters.

Nnamdi Asomugha is the best DB on that list and would command more money than Hall.

VetSkinsFan wrote:The little factoid that you fail to acknowledge is that we have to be able to afford these better coverage corners. Rogers is serviceable as #2 corner. You can lean coverage help his way if it's warranted, but Rogers isn't that bad.

I appreciate the effort, but all of this is likely to go unnoticed or unread.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers

Who's going to start the 4-8 games that Springs can't go? Smoot? Who's covering nickel duties then when Smoot steps up from nickel to #2 for the games that Springs can't go, and there WILL be games that Springs can't go.

LOL. . .another point that somehow can't get addressed.

HEY, did you know Rogers DROPS INTERCEPTIONS!!1!

I think Rogers still has room for improvement and while he won't be an interception machine he could get better. With a better pass rush comes more opportunities and more of a chance for him to catch one and to familiarize himself with the situation. Maybe if he's in position more often, it'll calm his nerves and he'll get over this hump.

It'd be downright retarded to let him go and retain Springs but it's what I expect from the Redskins.

Yes, money is a big concern for this team.

it always has been.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

jdubya wrote:Here is a list of unrestricted free agents at the DB position this offseason:

Nnamdi Asomugha OAK
Mike Brown CHI Safety
Brian Dawkins PHISafety
Dawan Landry BALSafety
Dunta Robinson HOU
Oshiomogho Atogwe STL
Tyron Brackenridge, KC
Phillip Buchanon TB
Chris Gamble CAR
Jabari Greer BUF
Kelvin Hayden IND
Renaldo Hill MIA
Daven Holly CLE
Sean Jones CLE
Bryant McFadden PIT
R.W. McQuarters NYG
Justin Miller NYJ

.....just to name a few.

There are a couple guys on here I would take over Carlos.

What did you do, google DB FA? Most of these guys haven't started more than a year, in their 30s, or, I don't, know, PLAY SAFETY. The majority of their stats aren't better than Rogers. There MAY be one that is strating caliber there that's not too old to trade for. It's not smart football to trade a 27 yo for a 32 yo in the case of one of your examples, RW McQuarters.

3 of 17 are safeties. Not all of these guys are old. and plenty are as good as Rogers and cheaper.

I don't want McQuarters. I was simply posting guys who were scheduled to be FA after the season.

You would put Rogers above all of those guys?

jdubya wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

jdubya wrote:Here is a list of unrestricted free agents at the DB position this offseason:

Nnamdi Asomugha OAK
Mike Brown CHI Safety
Brian Dawkins PHISafety
Dawan Landry BALSafety
Dunta Robinson HOU
Oshiomogho Atogwe STL
Tyron Brackenridge, KC
Phillip Buchanon TB
Chris Gamble CAR
Jabari Greer BUF
Kelvin Hayden IND
Renaldo Hill MIA
Daven Holly CLE
Sean Jones CLE
Bryant McFadden PIT
R.W. McQuarters NYG
Justin Miller NYJ

.....just to name a few.

There are a couple guys on here I would take over Carlos.

What did you do, google DB FA? Most of these guys haven't started more than a year, in their 30s, or, I don't, know, PLAY SAFETY. The majority of their stats aren't better than Rogers. There MAY be one that is starting caliber there that's not too old to trade for. It's not smart football to trade a 27 yo for a 32 yo in the case of one of your examples, RW McQuarters.

3 of 17 are safeties. Not all of these guys are old. and plenty are as good as Rogers and cheaper.

I don't want McQuarters. I was simply posting guys who were scheduled to be FA after the season.

You would put Rogers above all of those guys?

See the bolded, which was answered BEFORE you asked. I guess I take reading comprehension for granted...

jdubya wrote:Yes, money is a big concern for this team.

it always has been.

Yes... let's just ignore the reality of the cap...

VetSkins, give up now. It will save you time. . .

VetSkinsFan wrote:

jdubya wrote:your first post.

Irn-Bru wrote: but we're not going to get much better in the FA market.

In the end, I disagree with your analysis. There are plenty of better coverage guys in the NFL. There are also guys that can cover and create takeaways. Rogers thinks he is better than he is, and he is going to want more than he is worth if we keep him. Snyder will pay him too.

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers.

If we cant get crap for him then so be it. But we have better talent than him on our own roster.

Look, I would love to be proved wrong in 2009. Have Rogers come out and be a beast, play 16 games, get a bunch of picks, and be the guy you think he is. I would be happy to be wrong.

I just don't see it though.

That is all I have to say about this.

The little factoid that you fail to acknowledge is that we have to be able to afford these better coverage corners. Rogers is serviceable as #2 corner. You can lean coverage help his way if it's warranted, but Rogers isn't that bad.

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers

Who's going to start the 4-8 games that Springs can't go? Smoot? Who's covering nickel duties then when Smoot steps up from nickel to #2 for the games that Springs can't go, and there WILL be games that Springs can't go.

The problem with that you are saying about Rogers being a serviceable #2 is that he thinks that he is a #1 and will likely want that kind of money. It's obviously a tricky situation because you need someone to take his place if we move him, but at the same time you can't give him a big time contract because he isn't worth what he will likely ask for. If we don't trade him and don't extend his contract this off-season then we run the risk of losing him without any compensation next off-season.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

jdubya wrote:your first post.

Irn-Bru wrote: but we're not going to get much better in the FA market.

In the end, I disagree with your analysis. There are plenty of better coverage guys in the NFL. There are also guys that can cover and create takeaways. Rogers thinks he is better than he is, and he is going to want more than he is worth if we keep him. Snyder will pay him too.

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers.

If we cant get crap for him then so be it. But we have better talent than him on our own roster.

Look, I would love to be proved wrong in 2009. Have Rogers come out and be a beast, play 16 games, get a bunch of picks, and be the guy you think he is. I would be happy to be wrong.

I just don't see it though.

That is all I have to say about this.

The little factoid that you fail to acknowledge is that we have to be able to afford these better coverage corners. Rogers is serviceable as #2 corner. You can lean coverage help his way if it's warranted, but Rogers isn't that bad.

I will gladly pay SPrings for another year if we can get even moderate talent for Rogers

Who's going to start the 4-8 games that Springs can't go? Smoot? Who's covering nickel duties then when Smoot steps up from nickel to #2 for the games that Springs can't go, and there WILL be games that Springs can't go.

The problem with that you are saying about Rogers being a serviceable #2 is that he thinks that he is a #1 and will likely want that kind of money. It's obviously a tricky situation because you need someone to take his place if we move him, but at the same time you can't give him a big time contract because he isn't worth what he will likely ask for. If we don't trade him and don't extend his contract this off-season then we run the risk of losing him without any compensation next off-season.

You are going off of assumptions. When he asks for insane amount of money, then we deal with that. I don't believe that the FO is going in having NO IDEA of what he's going to ask for. You know what happens when you ASS U ME? It ain't me, buddy.

And part of the problem here is that there are assumptions on top of assumptions - this is all a part of the game and we really do not know many things - I think it is fine to play GM (after all we are a team without one ) and come up with different scenarios BUT I think Hall and Rogers are both here next year.

SkinsJock wrote: BUT I think Hall and Rogers are both here next year.

That would be the intelligent thing to happen.

CanesSkins26 wrote:The problem with that you are saying about Rogers being a serviceable #2 is that he thinks that he is a #1 and will likely want that kind of money.

He might, but unless another team is willing to PAY that kind of money, he'll stay here. What do you expect, for Roger's to sit around saying "well, I'm OKAY, but not THAT great"? Of course he's going to play up his own abilities.

Like Rock Cartwright, though, he might find out that other teams simply don't agree with that assessment.

It's obviously a tricky situation because you need someone to take his place if we move him, but at the same time you can't give him a big time contract because he isn't worth what he will likely ask for. If we don't trade him and don't extend his contract this off-season then we run the risk of losing him without any compensation next off-season.

Here's the way I'm looking at it: the team is probably going to be shopping him, but how likely is it that another team will bite? Let's just assume for a moment that no one does. I think this is the realistic outcome, but even if you don't just play the game with me.

What's the solution? We really shouldn't keep Springs, because in 2009 he's going to kill us yet again in cap space (no offense, jdubya). Not to mention, in all likelihood, miss half the season with injury. And even if he wants to stick around for another season after that, it's the same problems all over. When he's off the field, we'll be wishing we had depth like Rogers who can fill in. (No offense, jdubya)

I say, if our hand is forced then let's deal with it. Cut Springs, play Rogers, and work on a contract extension that doesn't pay him like a #1. (With Hall here actually playing as our number one, the bargaining chips are in Snyder's favor.) The best case scenario is that we lock in Rogers at a reasonable price. Maybe he stays a #2 or even reaches #1, but I'd be he'd make a pretty good nickel back, as well. Just solid depth: maybe not a superstar, but still better than our average DL, OL, WR, P, K, or PR.

Worst case: if he plays one more year and then goes, he goes. It happens in the NFL. You lose Derrick Dockery, so you try to get a Pete Kendall instead. Etc. Good teams need to be able to adapt to these changes without getting crippled.

none taken.



Springs is not the long term answer, obvs. He is getting on in years, and as has been said here once or twice , is an injury headache. as a result, there could be room to re-negotiate his deal to lessen his cap hit this year.

Lets say, though, he doesn't renegotiate. So we cut him. We keep Rogers, and after next year he wants big money that he doesn't get (At least not from the Skins). Then I think we have a big problem. Hall (if signed this offseason) would be the guy, without anyone on the other side.

If Rogers goes for a draft pick or 2, then there is at least potential to bring in a rookie who could gain some experience playing behind (and filling in for) Springs.

There are plenty of teams that would take both Rogers and Springs, imo. I would prefer to get something out of losing one or the other.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: BUT I think Hall and Rogers are both here next year.

That would be the intelligent thing to happen.

and now we see a new thread has started speculation, again ..... but this time tribeof judah is really sure it is going to happen because THIS TIME the speculation is from the most renowned source of all things positive in the NFL - jlc of the renowned Redskins news source = Washington Post

puhlease - give it a break - we understand that he's possibly one of the few players we might get something for BUT do not give any credence to that source - he's worse than hopeless.

If jlc said that the sun was going to come up tomorrow I'd have doubts nothing that guy makes up is based on reality.

SkinsJock wrote:...puhlease - give it a break - we understand that he's possibly one of the few players we might get something for BUT do not give any credence to that source - he's worse than hopeless.

If jlc said that the sun was going to come up tomorrow I'd have doubts nothing that guy makes up is based on reality.

It's the off-season, brother. Spec and assumptions, sprinkled with a little rumor-mill here and there, is the stock-in-trade of the MB market.

If you like we can discuss the latest American Idol prodigies...

VetSkinsFan wrote:
What did you do, google DB FA?

the thinking seems to be that you can trade a Cb for a second round pick and survive with our current secondary, therefore circumventing a free agent signing or draft pick we surrendered in our past, and upgrading one position without sacrificing another. There are no shortcuts. The team needs Rogers. It will bite them in the rear.

Iwill need the skins current draft order and will someone be kind enough to add it here that my somwhat explain the trade possibility. I personally think if we draft oline and go to FA for a bruiser on the dline we should be fine even sproles could give some strength what is that two FA and I #1 oline right tackle, perfect right then we keep rogers and the question remains who to drop..... betts springs mmmm tough choice

If we can get a 2nd round pick out of this guy we have to send him. I take that back if we sign D Hall then send Rogers. We have got to get back up in the second round we have some serious pressing needs in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Rogers is overrated, I have seen him get burnt on numerous occasions and he can't catch a cold. WE will not miss him.

BigRedskinDaddy wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:...puhlease - give it a break - we understand that he's possibly one of the few players we might get something for BUT do not give any credence to that source - he's worse than hopeless.

If jlc said that the sun was going to come up tomorrow I'd have doubts nothing that guy makes up is based on reality.

It's the off-season, brother. Spec and assumptions, sprinkled with a little rumor-mill here and there, is the stock-in-trade of the MB market.

If you like we can discuss the latest American Idol prodigies...

your right man - I just do not like this wart

hey - it's all just going to get more interesting - you just know that Snyder is going to want to make a splash again - after holding off for a year, I'll wager he's going to try something

maybe he can pry jlc away from the rag of a newspaper and put him in charge of creative thinking out at Redskins park