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Fios wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Fact: 2008 Redskins are 29th in scoring offense

And the 2004 team was 31st ... which is worse. I know that's a bummer for you.

Also (look at me, replying to myself) the 2004 team played five games against top 10 defenses while the 2008 version has 9 games against top 10 defenses, including the best defense, second best defense and two against the fourth best defense.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:hey guys! we scored more than 10 points this week.

Yes they did. AND the D gave up more points to the Bungles in the 1st 1/4 than they had in the previvious 3 games combined!

Not to mention that game clinching 7 min FG drive.

Woops, please disreguard, we can't say anything about the D on thhis site.

Yeah, stupid defense, only ranked number 5 in the NFL overall, only 7th in points per game allowed, only 10th against the run and 6th against the pass despite playing half of their games against top 10 offenses. You should feel free to tear them apart, that's clearly the team's Achilles heel.

Fios wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:hey guys! we scored more than 10 points this week.

Yes they did. AND the D gave up more points to the Bungles in the 1st 1/4 than they had in the previvious 3 games combined!

Not to mention that game clinching 7 min FG drive.

Woops, please disreguard, we can't say anything about the D on thhis site.

Yeah, stupid defense, only ranked number 5 in the NFL overall, only 7th in points per game allowed, only 10th against the run and 6th against the pass despite playing half of their games against top 10 offenses. You should feel free to tear them apart, that's clearly the team's Achilles heel.

I don't give a squat what they are ranked! That was a pittiful display for the part of the team that is supposed to be the strength of the team. These are the Bungles for heven sake. They score a total of 16 points in the previous 3 games!

And I didn't even mention the 4 Ints they dropped in the 2nd 1/4 that could have made up for their urine poor play in the first. Our D has more dropped balls than TO and Braylan Edwards combined!

In the last three games they have given up very long, game clinching drives.

I KNOW THE O ISN'T DOING ITS"T PART!!! I GET THAT!!!

How come no one else can't see the D is not doing all they can to help the team.

Fios wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:hey guys! we scored more than 10 points this week.

Yes they did. AND the D gave up more points to the Bungles in the 1st 1/4 than they had in the previvious 3 games combined!

Not to mention that game clinching 7 min FG drive.

Woops, please disreguard, we can't say anything about the D on thhis site.

Yeah, stupid defense, only ranked number 5 in the NFL overall, only 7th in points per game allowed, only 10th against the run and 6th against the pass despite playing half of their games against top 10 offenses. You should feel free to tear them apart, that's clearly the team's Achilles heel.

Why should I tare the O apart? The rest off you have that covered, all I'm pointing out is the D could help us win some games. The O carried the team early in the season and kept the D off the field (look at our time of possesion during those games) or they would have given up some game clinching drives then too.

This will always be my team. But honestly... I just can't take this **** anymore. It drives me crazy. It ruins my week. And all the junk I have to hear through the week. And knowing there is a team somwhere deep down in these guys just drives me nuts. I dont think Zorn is the issue. I think a weak OL and a sloppy offense mixed with a mediocre QB is the problem. The D can play its heart our every single down but if the offense doesn't score what does it give them reason to fight for? Why stop the other team when we can't even put 21 points up at least 8 times in a season....BAH HUMBUG ON THE SKINS...

angry in iowa..
skins fan for life...

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Fios wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:hey guys! we scored more than 10 points this week.

Yes they did. AND the D gave up more points to the Bungles in the 1st 1/4 than they had in the previvious 3 games combined!

Not to mention that game clinching 7 min FG drive.

Woops, please disreguard, we can't say anything about the D on thhis site.

Yeah, stupid defense, only ranked number 5 in the NFL overall, only 7th in points per game allowed, only 10th against the run and 6th against the pass despite playing half of their games against top 10 offenses. You should feel free to tear them apart, that's clearly the team's Achilles heel.

Why should I tare the O apart? The rest off you have that covered, all I'm pointing out is the D could help us win some games. The O carried the team early in the season and kept the D off the field (look at our time of possesion during those games) or they would have given up some game clinching drives then too.

The defense is solid, no doubt about it. But they don't make game-changing plays the way that top defenses like Pittsburgh's and Baltimore's do. This is mostly a result of our complete lack of pressure on the qb. Our defensive line is one of the worst in the NFL (making the play of the secondary even more impressive) and until that area is improved we will continue to not force turnovers. We are only one of the three NFL teams without a defensive td this season.

I've been thinking about this talk about the defense. There is no way they are the problem. They had a bad game, no doubt about it. Not sure if it was preparation or attitude that was their ultimate downfall. But you can't just take one game and start bashing them, take a look at their entire body of work. FIOS, I want to know if you agree with me here...I am totally amazed that this defense is ranked so high in different categories WITHOUT A PASS RUSH. And when they do throw a blitz, THEY DON'T GET TO THE QB. So, if you're thinking it's the defense that is the problem with this team, I think you're wrong. Again, not a stellar performance yesterday but...not the problem overall.

Play calling...Zorn has been making questionable call all season long. If they work, everbody is happy and saying, I like this unconventional style of play calling. When it doesn't work, people say it's horrible play calling. You can't have it both ways, you have to take the good with the bad. I have not seen a difference in his style of play calling since early in the season. Now the one thing I don't like is that Zorn thinks he's ALWAYS making the right call. As a coach, I often looked back at a game and said..."I should have called a different play in that situation". So giving the ball to Sellers may not have been what made sense, but it does fit the play calling style Zorn has made all year.

The defense of this team is ranked fairly highly but the fact is they don't create a lot of takeaways and they don't get a lot of sacks.

Considering how last seasons sack numbers were:

Jason Taylor: 11
Andre Carter: 10
Marcus Washington: 5

We had high hopes.

The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

RedskinsFreak wrote:The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand? I swear, if people would read EVERYTHING as opposed to only what they want to read....

VetSkinsFan wrote:When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand?

Believe me, I understand. This defense carries 80% (it's probably even higher) of the burden for keeping the game close each and every week.

Am I unfairly focused on one aspect of what's been a admirable performance of the course of the entire season? Yes. Guilty as charged.

But you know what? I'm tired of fair. Being fair, polite and considerate border on being excuses and have a place in the loser mentality.

Sorry if that's harsh but my frustration over the entirety of this has boiled over and I'll probably cool down tomorrow.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... ng-around/

Apparently Rocky got benched after halftime...and Carlos didnt play much due to a sickness that he isnt sure about...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand? I swear, if people would read EVERYTHING as opposed to only what they want to read....

I don't think it's a reading problem. It's a reading comprehension problem.

The defense came out flat, and gave up two quick scores in the 1st Q, which is not good. But, after that, they only gave up 6 points in 3 Q's. Can anyone blame them? Playing a 1-11 team, with the season slipping away, and loosing 4 out of the last 5 games because of an offense that requires an act of congress to score?

The tension has been building on this team. Benching Mcintosh? Benching Rogers.....Smoot? Starting off the game against the Bungles with 5 straight 3 and outs, with one fumble thrown in for good measure....the defense rebounded extremely well.....given that they could have easily thrown in the towel.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand? I swear, if people would read EVERYTHING as opposed to only what they want to read....

No, you can't let teams take away a whole quarter from you, especially when you always play from behind. Not that its all the defense's fault, but some of it is. This pattern of turn the ball over early, play inconsistent on both sides of the ball early, and then try and come back wasn't going to work all season. We saw that. Coming into the game ready to play has to be a main priority next year.

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand? I swear, if people would read EVERYTHING as opposed to only what they want to read....

No, you can't let teams take away a whole quarter from you, especially when you always play from behind. Not that its all the defense's fault, but some of it is. This pattern of turn the ball over early, play inconsistent on both sides of the ball early, and then try and come back wasn't going to work all season. We saw that. Coming into the game ready to play has to be a main priority next year.

So let me get this straight. Just so I understand what's being said, b/c obviously I'm off my rocker.

We have a defense who's CARRIED this team all season.
We have an offense that can't score more than two TDs average for the year. An offense that had three 3&outs and a fumble against the BENGALS in the first quarter.

And we're going to blame the season on the defense. We're going to blame the defense for the loss vs Pit that the offense only scored 6 points on.
We're going to blame the defense for the offense only scoring 7 pts against the Giants.
We're going to blame the defense when the offense could only score ONE TOUCHDOWN against the 1-11-1 Bengals.

Do I have it about right?

Even if the defense had stopped Cinci and Dallas, how confident can we be that our offense which shows no life what so ever would march right down the field to tie the game up?

i was just pouring over this thread and fios made a couple of really good statistical points about our D and O.

you know, it sounds like the skins are rather good! highly ranked D and a marked improvement in O production over the past 4 years. maybe we arnt in such bad shape!

draft some line men, maybe we will be alright in the end. i give it two years and if portis is still playing we go deep.





just kidding we suck. i forsee several years of hope tacked to CPs back rewarded with defeat after defeat.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand? I swear, if people would read EVERYTHING as opposed to only what they want to read....

No, you can't let teams take away a whole quarter from you, especially when you always play from behind. Not that its all the defense's fault, but some of it is. This pattern of turn the ball over early, play inconsistent on both sides of the ball early, and then try and come back wasn't going to work all season. We saw that. Coming into the game ready to play has to be a main priority next year.

So let me get this straight. Just so I understand what's being said, b/c obviously I'm off my rocker.

We have a defense who's CARRIED this team all season.
We have an offense that can't score more than two TDs average for the year. An offense that had three 3&outs and a fumble against the BENGALS in the first quarter.

And we're going to blame the season on the defense. We're going to blame the defense for the loss vs Pit that the offense only scored 6 points on.
We're going to blame the defense for the offense only scoring 7 pts against the Giants.
We're going to blame the defense when the offense could only score ONE TOUCHDOWN against the 1-11-1 Bengals.

Do I have it about right?

Skinsvet,
You accused someone else of having a reading comprehesion problem or of flat out not reading. I think you have the same problem!

No one is blaming this loss or any other loss on the D! Let me repeat that. No one id blaming this loss or any other on the D!

We know the O has most of the problems, but most teams have one unit that is stronger than the other and that unit has to carry the team. Our D is by far and away the strongest unit on the team, but they do have their weaknesses. Like the above mentioned late game clinching drives they give up. You mentioned that is only because they are on the field too much. That may be true in some of the games, but it wasn't true Sunday. The Skins had the edge in TOP before the Bungles started that 7 minute drive. I bet it was close in the Ravens game too. They also give up lots of long drives during the games leading to their own fatigue.

This bend but don't break attitude is OK when you create turn overs and you give your poor Offense some help. But Sunday they dropped 4 ints in the 2nd 1/4. If they had even held on to two of the four the outcome may have been different.

The Steelers game. Carlos "hands of stone" Rogers dropped a pick six, just like he did in the first Giants game that could have changed the outcome of both of those games.

The D is the strength. They needed to help the O and more often than not, they haven't. As a matter of fact. Early in the season the O ran out several games or the D may have lost those.

RayNAustin wrote:Starting off the game against the Bungles with 5 straight 3 and outs, with one fumble thrown in for good measure....the defense rebounded extremely well.....given that they could have easily thrown in the towel.

I agree with you on this part Ray. Kudos to the D. It's got to be so completely frustrating knowing that when you make a stop you're going to be back in after 3 plays and a punt, again and again and again....

skinsfan#33 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:The fourth-quarter letdowns are a concern.

In the Dallas, Baltimore and Cincy games, the Redskins were one score down with more than enough time left on the clock. The defense was needed for an average stop (not even a mandatory 3-and-out) to get the ball back. And it didn't happen.

DAL 14, WSH 10 -- Dallas ran off the last 6:40 with the last 13 snaps -- 10 Barber runs, 1 Barber pass play and 2 kneel-downs.

BAL 17, WSH 10, 11:27 left -- The Ravens go 83 yards in 7:52 and Le'Ron McClain looks like Jim Freakin' Brown, running the ball on 10 of those 12 plays.

CIN 17, WSH 10, 9:33 left -- Sure, the drive was only 41 yards but the ran 16 PLAYS and took 7:13 off the clock before the final field goal. No run dominance like the other two but if you can't get the Bungles' offense off the field, you're not as good as advertised (and yes, I'm considering the poor position they're put in by the Redskins' own crudiculous offense).

When the offense can't stay on the field, the defense gets tired. How hard is that to understand? I swear, if people would read EVERYTHING as opposed to only what they want to read....

No, you can't let teams take away a whole quarter from you, especially when you always play from behind. Not that its all the defense's fault, but some of it is. This pattern of turn the ball over early, play inconsistent on both sides of the ball early, and then try and come back wasn't going to work all season. We saw that. Coming into the game ready to play has to be a main priority next year.

So let me get this straight. Just so I understand what's being said, b/c obviously I'm off my rocker.

We have a defense who's CARRIED this team all season.
We have an offense that can't score more than two TDs average for the year. An offense that had three 3&outs and a fumble against the BENGALS in the first quarter.

And we're going to blame the season on the defense. We're going to blame the defense for the loss vs Pit that the offense only scored 6 points on.
We're going to blame the defense for the offense only scoring 7 pts against the Giants.
We're going to blame the defense when the offense could only score ONE TOUCHDOWN against the 1-11-1 Bengals.

Do I have it about right?

Skinsvet,
You accused someone else of having a reading comprehesion problem or of flat out not reading. I think you have the same problem!

No one is blaming this loss or any other loss on the D! Let me repeat that. No one id blaming this loss or any other on the D!

We know the O has most of the problems, but most teams have one unit that is stronger than the other and that unit has to carry the team. Our D is by far and away the strongest unit on the team, but they do have their weaknesses. Like the above mentioned late game clinching drives they give up. You mentioned that is only because they are on the field too much. That may be true in some of the games, but it wasn't true Sunday. The Skins had the edge in TOP before the Bungles started that 7 minute drive. I bet it was close in the Ravens game too. They also give up lots of long drives during the games leading to their own fatigue.

This bend but don't break attitude is OK when you create turn overs and you give your poor Offense some help. But Sunday they dropped 4 ints in the 2nd 1/4. If they had even held on to two of the four the outcome may have been different.

The Steelers game. Carlos "hands of stone" Rogers dropped a pick six, just like he did in the first Giants game that could have changed the outcome of both of those games.

The D is the strength. They needed to help the O and more often than not, they haven't. As a matter of fact. Early in the season the O ran out several games or the D may have lost those.

I bolded my issue with what I've seen. We need the defense to step up more. Why can't it be the freakin offense step up to par? Why does the defense have to go further above and beyond than they already have?!? Turnovers are always nice, but when your offense is pulling 25% of the weight, the defense is pulling 75% and the offense falters, you ask the defense to step it up??!??

This is a fundemental problem also outside of football. You ever notice the guy who's good at his job? There's a lot more work on his desk than the slacker who's not performing. Let's take the easy road. Let's not give the ultimate blame on the offense who can't score...let's blame the defense who isn't getting enough turnovers

SF#33: this isn't directly specifically at you, just used your post as an example. There are many who have this same mentailty that just me.

skinsfan#33 wrote:Skinsvet,
You accused someone else of having a reading comprehesion problem or of flat out not reading. I think you have the same problem!

No, that was me.

skinsfan#33 wrote:No one is blaming this loss or any other loss on the D! Let me repeat that. No one id blaming this loss or any other on the D!

Yet you proceed to tell us about all of the things that the D did wrong or failed to do.

skinsfan#33 wrote:We know the O has most of the problems, but most teams have one unit that is stronger than the other and that unit has to carry the team. Our D is by far and away the strongest unit on the team, but they do have their weaknesses. Like the above mentioned late game clinching drives they give up. You mentioned that is only because they are on the field too much. That may be true in some of the games, but it wasn't true Sunday. The Skins had the edge in TOP before the Bungles started that 7 minute drive. I bet it was close in the Ravens game too. They also give up lots of long drives during the games leading to their own fatigue.

Yes, they gave up a 7 minute drive. Very unfortunate, and I'm sure none of them were pleased with that. But the point you seem to be overlooking is that the last score....a FG should have been a TD, putting the Redskins up by 7 (had they scored with first and goal from the 1 on the previous opportunity). Two late opportunities with goal to go resulted in 3 points instead of 14. 1-4 in the red zone throughout the game. HOW MUCH DID WE LOSE BY??? 7 points ???

skinsfan#33 wrote:This bend but don't break attitude is OK when you create turn overs and you give your poor Offense some help. But Sunday they dropped 4 ints in the 2nd 1/4. If they had even held on to two of the four the outcome may have been different.

I'd say that's a sign of a secondary playing very good coverage. Yes it would be nice to have a couple of those picks. But why would you think the offense would do anything with a couple of TOs ? Rock put the O in great shape, inside the 20 on a kick return. They blew it.. like they always do. I suppose it was Rock's fault for not taking it all the way in.

skinsfan#33 wrote:The Steelers game. Carlos "hands of stone" Rogers dropped a pick six, just like he did in the first Giants game that could have changed the outcome of both of those games.

Yes, it would be nice if Carlos Rodgers could catch a ball and score a TD. It would also be nice if Jason Campbell could throw a couple of TDs too.

skinsfan#33 wrote:The D is the strength. They needed to help the O and more often than not, they haven't. As a matter of fact. Early in the season the O ran out several games or the D may have lost those.

More often than not, the only thing keeping this team from having the Bengals record has been the defense.

What you fail to understand is that opposing offenses have a luxury playing the Redskins that they shouldn't have. That luxury is that all they have to do is score 17 points and their chances of a win are extremely high. They also get to play miserably for 2/3 of the game and all they need is a couple of plays to win. They never have to worry about playing from behind, much less playing from a large deficit, given the Redskins offense inability to score.
That puts opposing offenses in better shape, with way more offensive options, and puts your defense under the constant strain of having to pitch a shutout just to stay in the games.

You can't ignore the cause and effect of having an offense that REFUSES to score, even from the 1 yard line. The defense this year has given the Redskins every opportunity to have a 12-4, 13-3, 14-2 season. The offense failed to put up even marginal numbers.

The real stat that you might want to look at is this:

The three teams that have scored just below the Redskins average points per game, Bengals, Rams and Raiders are a combined 7-35.

The three teams that have scored slightly more points per game than the Redskins, Browns, Lions and Chiefs are a combined 6-36.

Those 6 teams are a combined 13-71, while the Redskins are 7-7. One thing is sure...they aren't 7-7 because of their powerhouse offense.

While we do not have the BEST defense in the NFL, most teams with a decent offense would be at the top of their standing in their division.

No, our defense is far from perfect. It lacks strngth at the DT positions and our DE's are not the best but they are decent enough to get us in a competitive position in EVERY game.

The OFFENSE is abysmal. I am a strong believer in giving Jason Campbell ALL of this season to show what he can do. The remaining two games are still very important. Every other decision to throw him to the dogs before the end of the season is based on prejudice and premature judgment.

HOWEVER, having a a FULL season with consistent support from the coaching staff, his development this year has been negative. He has come back to become who we knew last year. Not good in more fundamental ways than most. He is playing for his survival in the NFL in the next two weeks.

Can anybody fathom for a second what would have happened with this offense if we had had any, ANY, of the following three guys:

Brees?

Warner?

Cutler?

All three are quick decision makers, accurate passers and solid LEADERS. Jason is a nice guy and all but his slow release and indecisive behaviour make him an average back up at best so far.

That's it! Why did I not think about this before??? Jason Campbell can become the new Todd Collins next season if he does not light it up over the next two weeks.

I am a genius aren't I.

Redskin in Canada wrote:While we do not have the BEST defense in the NFL, most teams with a decent offense would be at the top of their standing in their division.

No, our defense is far from perfect. It lacks strngth at the DT positions and our DE's are not the best but they are decent enough to get us in a competitive position in EVERY game.

The OFFENSE is abysmal. I am a strong believer in giving Jason Campbell ALL of this season to show what he can do. The remaining two games are still very important. Every other decision to throw him to the dogs before the end of the season is based on prejudice and premature judgment.

HOWEVER, having a a FULL season with consistent support from the coaching staff, his development this year has been negative. He has come back to become who we knew last year. Not good in more fundamental ways than most. He is playing for his survival in the NFL in the next two weeks.

Can anybody fathom for a second what would have happened with this offense if we had had any, ANY, of the following three guys:

Brees?

Warner?

Cutler?

All three are quick decision makers, accurate passers and solid LEADERS. Jason is a nice guy and all but his slow release and indecisive behaviour make him an average back up at best so far.

That's it! Why did I not think about this before??? Jason Campbell can become the new Todd Collins next season if he does not light it up over the next two weeks.

I am a genius aren't I.

TOTALLY agree - I was just going to mention your post ( I am not big on copying entire posts) but this is one of your more intuitive posts and bears repeating.

As some of you may remember after a few games in 2007 I voiced concern over the decision making and sloooow release. I am also one who wanted Campbell to have a full season to show that he was (or is not) our QB of the future - Campbell deserves the next 2 games BUT we will need another alternative to Brennan to see who is going to lead our team at QB next year - I think we should get an established QB that can lead our team as we also find out if Brennan has what it takes. IMO it would be a mistake to have 2 young QBs and only Campbell as an experienced backup as that is what I think he will be in 2009.

Blache will also get some help to keep up the good job he has done with our defense this year.

The NFC East defenses at present are playing very well and would make any team a contender with a decent offense.

SkinsJock wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:I am a genius aren't I.

TOTALLY agree -.

Thanks.

One big issue I have with the defense is that the D-ends can't get to the QB and the D-tackles aren't asked to.

I doubt you can succeed at the highest level if there isn't a little more hybridity (is that even a word?) throughout the D-line.