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I just wanted to be the 100th poster.

and to add, I think DeAngelo Hall will be our best corner next year when he learns the system and we resign him... eventually

Seems like a great deal for the money. I personally think this move is to make sure we have young corners when springs leaves. Springs is our best corner when healthy, but he will probably not be with the team in the next few years. If Hall works out we will probably sign him to a long term deal.

Another reason is to make sure our pass defense remains sound even if we mount a few injuries in the secondary. This could be essential in the playoffs.

I wonder if well use him as a number 2 or as a nickel. Surely springs will remain at number one if he returns, and rogers will be number one while springs is out.

I don't see springs at safety, personally. The man can still cover, so if he's healthy he should be at corner. Unless were up by a lot and are playing prevent defense or something.


EDIT: Also, I have never been a fan of hall, since I thought he wasn't as good as he was made out to be. He can definitely help us out and I hope he has a great year. oh and will he be returning punts?

Well I was wrong about this one. I'm really surprised they did it. I hope the third time's a charm and he gets rid of his bad habbits on and off the field... if he does, he can be a playmaker... if he doesn't, he won't be here long...

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'm pretty sure Samuels was 2nd and Arrington the 3rd pick in the draft that year

As pointed out, Arrington was 2 and Samuels was 3. But what I was saying is I can't figure out which pick originated from the second Panthers first rounder from the Sean Gilbert trade. We traded that pick for other picks that ended up as 2/3 (arrington/samuels), and it's old enough that it's hard to find the info online.

I thought that was from the Ricky Williams trade.

Lol. Well, we moved around a lot in the 1999 draft, and the Ricky Williams trade was how we got the pick to get Bailey. But I think part of that was trading the Panther's 2000 1st round pick to someone for their pick, or something. It's all very confusing.

4.15 40yd time in the combine, still running low 4.2 speed makes him the fastest player on the roster, good hands, kick return ability, 2 time pro-bowler and a Redskins fan! $497,000 for the season.Yep, horrible aquisition

OK, now, add in the fact we have Rogers in his 4th year, Landry 2nd year, Horton 1st year,if we keep this group intact we can POTENTIALLY have the best D backfield for the next 6 to 7 yrs. WITHOUT blowing any high round draft picks there. We wont have a starting Dback beyond his 4th year, with,IMO, the best Dback coach in the league Jerry Gray.

Now in all likelyhood we can adress D line and O line exclusively in this years draft, thats what we wanted , right?

The only question is how would the contract be structured after this season, that could be the hang up.

Now, heres a scenario, Hall is a KR/PR, what happens to Rock when Betts comes back? 4 backs? nope. Zorns ties to Alexander? Im just sayin

Countertrey wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

tcwest10 wrote:

countertrey wrote:

tcwest10 wrote:team that is better described by spelling the word 'team' backwards.

M-A-E-T? is that, like, meat with a bad Liverpool accent?

"If yah don't eat cha MAET, you cahn't have any pudding. How cahn yah get any pudding if yah don't eat cha MAET?"

It's ok, TC... we all know that Al Davis is senile, and that's probably how he spells it...

How about 'team', spelled backwards, hit so hard that the 'a' got moved over one spot?
Thanks for killing me softly, 'trey. I appreciate it.

Aaaaagh! You answer his Pink Floyd reference with a Roberta Flack one? I'm embarassed for you.

Hey... he could have responded:"Do you really want to hurt me?
Do you really want to make me cry?"

(Don't worry, tc... I gotcherback!)

Good thing I didn't go with my initial "Don't it make my brown eyes blue" retort. : )

I haven't seen this elsewhere, my apologies if someone beat me to it:

One fact further illustrates just how bad and embarrassing Oakland’s trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall this offseason actually was.

In addition to a fifth-round pick, the Raiders also traded a second-round pick, the 34th overall selection, to Atlanta for Hall. Well, on draft day, the Falcons wound up trading the 34th and 48th overall pick to Washington for the 21st overall pick.

Now, some six months later, the Redskins wound up with Hall and the Raiders second-round pick, which they used on Michigan State wide receiver Devon Thomas. And it cost Oakland $8 million!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/09/redskin ... -for-hall/

Fios wrote:I haven't seen this elsewhere, my apologies if someone beat me to it:

One fact further illustrates just how bad and embarrassing Oakland’s trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall this offseason actually was.

In addition to a fifth-round pick, the Raiders also traded a second-round pick, the 34th overall selection, to Atlanta for Hall. Well, on draft day, the Falcons wound up trading the 34th and 48th overall pick to Washington for the 21st overall pick.

Now, some six months later, the Redskins wound up with Hall and the Raiders second-round pick, which they used on Michigan State wide receiver Devon Thomas. And it cost Oakland $8 million!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/09/redskin ... -for-hall/

Who is "Devon" Thomas?

But yeah, I saw that earlier and it made me laugh -- I had forgotten about that.

tcwest10 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

tcwest10 wrote:

countertrey wrote:

tcwest10 wrote:team that is better described by spelling the word 'team' backwards.

M-A-E-T? is that, like, meat with a bad Liverpool accent?

"If yah don't eat cha MAET, you cahn't have any pudding. How cahn yah get any pudding if yah don't eat cha MAET?"

It's ok, TC... we all know that Al Davis is senile, and that's probably how he spells it...

How about 'team', spelled backwards, hit so hard that the 'a' got moved over one spot?
Thanks for killing me softly, 'trey. I appreciate it.

Aaaaagh! You answer his Pink Floyd reference with a Roberta Flack one? I'm embarassed for you.

Hey... he could have responded:"Do you really want to hurt me?
Do you really want to make me cry?"

(Don't worry, tc... I gotcherback!)

Good thing I didn't go with my initial "Don't it make my brown eyes blue" retort. : )

Well, I'm glad you didn't... that would've just been embarassing.

Fios wrote:I haven't seen this elsewhere, my apologies if someone beat me to it:

One fact further illustrates just how bad and embarrassing Oakland’s trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall this offseason actually was.

In addition to a fifth-round pick, the Raiders also traded a second-round pick, the 34th overall selection, to Atlanta for Hall. Well, on draft day, the Falcons wound up trading the 34th and 48th overall pick to Washington for the 21st overall pick.

Now, some six months later, the Redskins wound up with Hall and the Raiders second-round pick, which they used on Michigan State wide receiver Devon Thomas. And it cost Oakland $8 million!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/09/redskin ... -for-hall/

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Next time you guys complain about the way our front office operates, go take a look at this work by Oakland. It should make you feel better.

HEROHAMO wrote:Oh my freakin goodness! The old Snyder shows his self.

I dont know how I feel about this. My guess is if his first choice was Washington he must be in it for the money. I mean we are notorious for giving away money to free agents.

Anyhow I hope he plays hard and makes a home in Washington.

Everything I am reading about this signing shows Synder has changed and Vinny is doing a pretty good job. They called Lane Kiffin to get his thoughts on his signing, they called Fletcher and Griffin I beleive to get their thoughts...Seems to me they really thought this decsion out.

In the short-term he’ll likely receive about 20 to 30 snaps against Dallas on Sunday night. He provides the Redskins with greater flexibility. They now have four corners capable of starting – Hall, Carlos Rogers, Shawn Springs and Fred Smoot. They’ve used four corners in the game at one time, with Springs shifting to free safety.

"It's like Christmas had come early," secondary coach Jerry Gray said. "I know what he did in Atlanta. The thing we've got to do is figure out what he can do for us now and how fast we can get him up to speed. ... He can match up on the best receiver and make game-changing plays. Now they won't throw that way all of a sudden."

“Every team wants its best players on the field,” Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray said. “If that means putting Shawn at free and letting LaRon [Landry] play strong, that’s what we’ll do. But we haven’t crossed that bridge yet.”

On obvious passing downs, our secondary is going to be incredible. LaRon has been fairly quiet this year. I believe that's in part because he's doubling or playing "over the top" of our opponents best receivers. This may limit how many chances he gets to make big plays.

If he's moved to the SS position on certain passing situations, this opens the book for endless schemes. He could blitz the QB, or most likely, cover the TE or RB coming on pass routes, getting him more chances to make plays.

Bottom line, the addition of Hall makes an already strong secondary that much stronger. If Springs moves to FS on a few packages, that gives us four 1st rounders in our secondary, and in this division, a bit more security when playing high powered offenses.

Regardless of how awesome our secondary will be, we still need a greater pass rush. Those guys are capable of getting beat if we can't rush the passer.

If we CAN rush the passer, we'll arguably have the best secondary in the league.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Regardless of how awesome our secondary will be, we still need a greater pass rush. Those guys are capable of getting beat if we can't rush the passer.

If we CAN rush the passer, we'll arguably have the best secondary in the league.

Agreed.

But we have been able to generate a descent push, albeit not a ton of sacks. The flip side, a killer secondary can make the QB hold the ball just a few seconds longer allowing the pass rush to get there and make even bigger plays. A stronger secondary will also lessen the need for the LB's to always have to drop back into coverage, allowing Blache to use them more at the LOS and putting pressure on opposing QB's.

I believe we all agree on a need to upgrade the d-line, but you take what you can get for now. Hall is a tremendous addition. If there was a chance to get a stud DT in the same manor in which we got Hall, I'm sure they'd take a shot on that as well.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Regardless of how awesome our secondary will be, we still need a greater pass rush. Those guys are capable of getting beat if we can't rush the passer.

If we CAN rush the passer, we'll arguably have the best secondary in the league.

Agreed.

But we have been able to generate a descent push, albeit not a ton of sacks. The flip side, a killer secondary can make the QB hold the ball just a few seconds longer allowing the pass rush to get there and make even bigger plays. A stronger secondary will also lessen the need for the LB's to always have to drop back into coverage, allowing Blache to use them more at the LOS and putting pressure on opposing QB's.

I believe we all agree on a need to upgrade the d-line, but you take what you can get for now. Hall is a tremendous addition. If there was a chance to get a stud DT in the same manor in which we got Hall, I'm sure they'd take a shot on that as well.

I agree 110%. I'm just going to be irritated by all of the "our secondary is garbage" threads that are about to come flooding in.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Regardless of how awesome our secondary will be, we still need a greater pass rush. Those guys are capable of getting beat if we can't rush the passer.

If we CAN rush the passer, we'll arguably have the best secondary in the league.

But we have been able to generate a descent push, albeit not a ton of sacks. The flip side, a killer secondary can make the QB hold the ball just a few seconds longer allowing the pass rush to get there and make even bigger plays. A stronger secondary will also lessen the need for the LB's to always have to drop back into coverage, allowing Blache to use them more at the LOS and putting pressure on opposing QB's.

I believe we all agree on a need to upgrade the d-line, but you take what you can get for now. Hall is a tremendous addition. If there was a chance to get a stud DT in the same manor in which we got Hall, I'm sure they'd take a shot on that as well.

I agree 110%. I'm just going to be irritated by all of the "our secondary is garbage" threads that are about to come flooding in.

After the draft, I think we all felt that we were going to get through this year with our lineman but that both lines (offense and defense) were going to need to get addressed next season both from a skill and age perspective. We also were looking at hoping the defensive backs could cover the field better than they looked on paper.

Rogers' and Horton's play has been unexpected to say the least.

I think that this both gives us a very good secondary for this year and allows us to have more options regarding Springs etc.. next season. IF Hall can get back to the level he's capable of we will have solved a number of concerns with this signing.


I would mention that there were a number of other teams with a reputation for "finding" players who were also interested in Hall - this is a win/win deal for us and has more upside than down IMO.

SkinsJock wrote:I would mention that there were a number of other teams with a reputation for "finding" players who were also interested in Hall - this is a win/win deal for us and has more upside than down IMO.

Maybe they can help us find a pass rush.

SkinsJock wrote:After the draft, I think we all felt that we were going to get through this year with our lineman but that both lines (offense and defense) were going to need to get addressed next season both from a skill and age perspective. We also were looking at hoping the defensive backs could cover the field better than they looked on paper.

I think, not picking DL in the draft was more due to the nature of this years draft.

Normally, the QBs,RBs,and WRs go first. This year it was all about OL and DL.

Had it gone that way, we would've had to trade up to get Thomas or Kelly. Had that happened, things would be different.

I believe that we have to get Springs, Hall, and Rogers on the field at the same time, and bring Smoot in on Nickel packages....I love Horton, and with our style of defense, they will all play.. I like the move. We will see if Springs wants to extend his career ala rod Woodson and move to safety, or if he still wants cornerback money this offseason

The Hogster wrote:I believe that we have to get Springs, Hall, and Rogers on the field at the same time, and bring Smoot in on Nickel packages....I love Horton, and with our style of defense, they will all play.. I like the move. We will see if Springs wants to extend his career ala rod Woodson and move to safety, or if he still wants cornerback money this offseason

That was my thoughts too but Springs get's injured too much and it is not for certain that he can hold up making hits on people that most safeties are required to do. Besides, I'd rather not stump the growth of the "Baby Tarantula". Let him and "Dirty 30" develop continuity like the "Tarantula" (R.I.P. Sean) and "Dirty 30" started to develop.

However, the marriage appeared flawed from the beginning because of Hall's preference for playing "off" coverage. Although Hall has the speed and athleticism to excel as a "bump and run" corner, the "ball hawk" is at his best when allowed to sit back and read the quarterback. By using the "clue" technique, Hall aggressively jumps short-to-intermediate routes while reading the quarterback's drop...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/11/07/buzz/index.html

A great article and very insightful. He'll fit in very well here.

The more I read, the more it looks like another "audition" season for him. He's got a lot to prove right now, I'm glad he'll be wearing our colors while he does it. Smoot plays the same way (soft cover-baiting and breaking routes) as Hall so this is very interesting.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

However, the marriage appeared flawed from the beginning because of Hall's preference for playing "off" coverage. Although Hall has the speed and athleticism to excel as a "bump and run" corner, the "ball hawk" is at his best when allowed to sit back and read the quarterback. By using the "clue" technique, Hall aggressively jumps short-to-intermediate routes while reading the quarterback's drop...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/11/07/buzz/index.html

A great article and very insightful. He'll fit in very well here.

That article sounds familiar.

I'm crushed you didn't read my post. Just crushed,

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

However, the marriage appeared flawed from the beginning because of Hall's preference for playing "off" coverage. Although Hall has the speed and athleticism to excel as a "bump and run" corner, the "ball hawk" is at his best when allowed to sit back and read the quarterback. By using the "clue" technique, Hall aggressively jumps short-to-intermediate routes while reading the quarterback's drop...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/11/07/buzz/index.html

A great article and very insightful. He'll fit in very well here.

That article sounds familiar.

I'm crushed you didn't read my post. Just crushed,

I'm sorry.