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Would anyone care to point out the obvious flaw in this list? Nevermind. I'll do it. This list is outdated.

Archuletta, Adam 4,500,000
Taylor, Sean 2,054,000
Wynn, Renaldo 1,928,000
Patten, David 762,000
Hall, John 465,000
DeMulling, Rick 315,000
Jacobs, Taylor 284,000
McAdderly, Jason 245,000
White, Manuel 213,000
Marshall, Lemar 182,000
Sampson, Kevin 180,000
Salave'a, Joe 173,000
Vincent, Troy 167,000
Stoutmire, Omar 127,000
Boyd, Cody 100,000
Fauria, Christian 95,000
Jimoh, Ade 50,000
Sartz, Dallas 46,000
Bodiford, Shaun 42,000
Stoutmire, Omar 40,000
Butler, Jerametrius 40,000
Farris, Jimmy 30,000
Lefotu, Kili 23,000
Palmer, Jordan 21,000
Simon, Kevin 17,000
Mason, Marcus 16,765
Broughton, Nehemiah 14,000
Johnson, Robert 8,000
Eubanks, John 7,000
Hawkins, Chris 7,000
Havner, Spencer 7,000
Lonie, David 7,000
Harvey, Jasper 7,000
Green, Jamaal 7,000
Whitley, Taylor 7,000
Armstrong, Calvin 7,000
Whittaker, William 7,000
Clauss, Jared 6,000
Fenner, Derrick 3,000
Ortega, Buck 3,000
Onyenegecha, Chijioke 3,000
Brown, Manaia 2,000
Cox, Chip 1,000
Total 12,218,765

Here is the updated "Dead Cap" list, as of March 1st.

David Patten WR 1.525
Dallas Sartz LB 0.138
Jordan Palmer QB 0.062
Ade Jimoh CB 0.100
Mark Brunell QB 3.114
Rock Cartwright RB 0.150
Sean Taylor S 2.095
Brandon Lloyd WR

TOTAL $7.184

While I'm no Salary Cap expert, I can recognize an outdated list from the beginning of last season.
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yupchagee wrote:
fleetus wrote:Our priorities:

WR - Big frame red zone WR to fit west coast (and catch TD's)
DT - Talented DT to take double-teams away from Grif
CB - depth/future, Smoot/Rogers not ideal #1's, Springs not as Springy anymore
OL depth - age and injuries make serious depth a priority.
DE - Daniels getting old. Need some talented youth to groom.
LB depth - OLB, behind #53 and with #52 rehabbing.
Safety - Depending on Prioleau, may need someone to compete with Doughty

I consider the top two priorities equal. So we need to go with the best talent for the money available via draft, free agency or trade. However, there do seem to be about 5 big WR's available in the first round of the draft.


I'd put OG ahead of CB & DT. The only backup interior OL on roster is Geisenger.
We need S more than CB. We only have 3 S's signed, but 8 CB's (I know several of them are just training camp foddor, But I still think S depth is a bigger need.)


I agree OL depth is seriously important, but right now if you look at the starting Offensive linemen, we have good talent at all 5 spots. Then compare that to the starting 4 Defensive linemen, and I think you'll see my point. Depth is nice to have, but our starting DT is well below the quality of our starting O-line. So DT has a higher priority. Depth will need to come in the later rounds of the draft. (It is a new concept for Vinny, so we'll see if he can turn the corner from a poor track -record and find consistent talent past round 1)

There is never a comparison between CB and safety, IMHO. The two starting CB's are extremely important to the success of the defense on EVERY down. Safeties are important too, just not on the same level. That is why CB's command some of the highest salaries of any position on the field. Springs is definitely our best CB, but is getting older. Smoot, I have to admit I didin't have much confidence in him, played well down the stretch for us and Rogers is a question mark with his injury. So, a solid CB, one that could even win the #1 job from Springs is needed. Smoot and Rogers don't appear to be that guy.
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1niksder wrote:Demps dislocated his elbow in a preseason game Aug. 19 and got a injury settlement in Sept. before the season started. He was a street free agent when the Titans pick him up on the Tuesday after opening week, he played that weekend and started going forward. If the Skins could get him now and get him into OTAs he could start.


Demps resigned with the Texans.
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GSPODS wrote:While I'm no Salary Cap expert, I can recognize an outdated list from the beginning of last season.


I'm thinking it really shouldn't take a expert to know something is outdated when it is noted on the same page that the last update was June 2007
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GSPODS wrote:Would anyone care to point out the obvious flaw in this list? Nevermind. I'll do it. This list is outdated.

Archuletta, Adam 4,500,000
Taylor, Sean 2,054,000
Wynn, Renaldo 1,928,000
Patten, David 762,000
Hall, John 465,000
DeMulling, Rick 315,000
Jacobs, Taylor 284,000
McAdderly, Jason 245,000
White, Manuel 213,000
Marshall, Lemar 182,000
Sampson, Kevin 180,000
Salave'a, Joe 173,000
Vincent, Troy 167,000
Stoutmire, Omar 127,000
Boyd, Cody 100,000
Fauria, Christian 95,000
Jimoh, Ade 50,000
Sartz, Dallas 46,000
Bodiford, Shaun 42,000
Stoutmire, Omar 40,000
Butler, Jerametrius 40,000
Farris, Jimmy 30,000
Lefotu, Kili 23,000
Palmer, Jordan 21,000
Simon, Kevin 17,000
Mason, Marcus 16,765
Broughton, Nehemiah 14,000
Johnson, Robert 8,000
Eubanks, John 7,000
Hawkins, Chris 7,000
Havner, Spencer 7,000
Lonie, David 7,000
Harvey, Jasper 7,000
Green, Jamaal 7,000
Whitley, Taylor 7,000
Armstrong, Calvin 7,000
Whittaker, William 7,000
Clauss, Jared 6,000
Fenner, Derrick 3,000
Ortega, Buck 3,000
Onyenegecha, Chijioke 3,000
Brown, Manaia 2,000
Cox, Chip 1,000
Total 12,218,765

Here is the updated "Dead Cap" list, as of March 1st.

David Patten WR 1.525
Dallas Sartz LB 0.138
Jordan Palmer QB 0.062
Ade Jimoh CB 0.100
Mark Brunell QB 3.114
Rock Cartwright RB 0.150
Sean Taylor S 2.095
Brandon Lloyd WR

TOTAL $7.184

While I'm no Salary Cap expert, I can recognize an outdated list from the beginning of last season.


I was giving an example. WHether it was last year or this years didnt matter. I was simply making a point to a fellow poster how the Skins have been throwing away money.
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HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:Would anyone care to point out the obvious flaw in this list? Nevermind. I'll do it. This list is outdated.

Archuletta, Adam 4,500,000
Taylor, Sean 2,054,000
Wynn, Renaldo 1,928,000
Patten, David 762,000
Hall, John 465,000
DeMulling, Rick 315,000
Jacobs, Taylor 284,000
McAdderly, Jason 245,000
White, Manuel 213,000
Marshall, Lemar 182,000
Sampson, Kevin 180,000
Salave'a, Joe 173,000
Vincent, Troy 167,000
Stoutmire, Omar 127,000
Boyd, Cody 100,000
Fauria, Christian 95,000
Jimoh, Ade 50,000
Sartz, Dallas 46,000
Bodiford, Shaun 42,000
Stoutmire, Omar 40,000
Butler, Jerametrius 40,000
Farris, Jimmy 30,000
Lefotu, Kili 23,000
Palmer, Jordan 21,000
Simon, Kevin 17,000
Mason, Marcus 16,765
Broughton, Nehemiah 14,000
Johnson, Robert 8,000
Eubanks, John 7,000
Hawkins, Chris 7,000
Havner, Spencer 7,000
Lonie, David 7,000
Harvey, Jasper 7,000
Green, Jamaal 7,000
Whitley, Taylor 7,000
Armstrong, Calvin 7,000
Whittaker, William 7,000
Clauss, Jared 6,000
Fenner, Derrick 3,000
Ortega, Buck 3,000
Onyenegecha, Chijioke 3,000
Brown, Manaia 2,000
Cox, Chip 1,000
Total 12,218,765

Here is the updated "Dead Cap" list, as of March 1st.

David Patten WR 1.525
Dallas Sartz LB 0.138
Jordan Palmer QB 0.062
Ade Jimoh CB 0.100
Mark Brunell QB 3.114
Rock Cartwright RB 0.150
Sean Taylor S 2.095
Brandon Lloyd WR

TOTAL $7.184

While I'm no Salary Cap expert, I can recognize an outdated list from the beginning of last season.


I was giving an example. WHether it was last year or this years didnt matter. I was simply making a point to a fellow poster how the Skins have been throwing away money.


Which only disproves your point even more. You'll notice the dead cap number is decreasing, not increasing. That is a good thing. It means the Redskins are not doing business as usual. Which was your complaint. Which has no basis in fact. Unless you care to complain about history.
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Isn't it interesting that all we can discuss is that there is nothing to really get upset about? :twisted:
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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fleetus wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
fleetus wrote:Our priorities:

WR - Big frame red zone WR to fit west coast (and catch TD's)
DT - Talented DT to take double-teams away from Grif
CB - depth/future, Smoot/Rogers not ideal #1's, Springs not as Springy anymore
OL depth - age and injuries make serious depth a priority.
DE - Daniels getting old. Need some talented youth to groom.
LB depth - OLB, behind #53 and with #52 rehabbing.
Safety - Depending on Prioleau, may need someone to compete with Doughty

I consider the top two priorities equal. So we need to go with the best talent for the money available via draft, free agency or trade. However, there do seem to be about 5 big WR's available in the first round of the draft.


I'd put OG ahead of CB & DT. The only backup interior OL on roster is Geisenger.
We need S more than CB. We only have 3 S's signed, but 8 CB's (I know several of them are just training camp foddor, But I still think S depth is a bigger need.)


I agree OL depth is seriously important, but right now if you look at the starting Offensive linemen, we have good talent at all 5 spots. Then compare that to the starting 4 Defensive linemen, and I think you'll see my point. Depth is nice to have, but our starting DT is well below the quality of our starting O-line. So DT has a higher priority. Depth will need to come in the later rounds of the draft. (It is a new concept for Vinny, so we'll see if he can turn the corner from a poor track -record and find consistent talent past round 1)

There is never a comparison between CB and safety, IMHO. The two starting CB's are extremely important to the success of the defense on EVERY down. Safeties are important too, just not on the same level. That is why CB's command some of the highest salaries of any position on the field. Springs is definitely our best CB, but is getting older. Smoot, I have to admit I didin't have much confidence in him, played well down the stretch for us and Rogers is a question mark with his injury. So, a solid CB, one that could even win the #1 job from Springs is needed. Smoot and Rogers don't appear to be that guy.


I see us as having 3 competent DT's, 2 of whom are young, & 3 competent interior OL's & none of them young.
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SkinsJock wrote:Isn't it interesting that all we can discuss is that there is nothing to really get upset about? :twisted:
I find that very upsetting. :)
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UK Skins Fan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Isn't it interesting that all we can discuss is that there is nothing to really get upset about? :twisted:
I find that very upsetting. :)

Yeah, what's the use in having a discussion without having a reason to be upset. :(
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SkinsJock wrote:Isn't it interesting that all we can discuss is that there is nothing to really get upset about? :twisted:


We could be upset about what our farm team has been doing :wink:
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I see us as having 3 competent DT's, 2 of whom are young, & 3 competent interior OL's & none of them young.


We have 3 starting caliber interior offensive linemen, while on the defensive line we have at best 1 starting caliber DT. Griffin isn't anywhere near the player he once was and Golston is a backup at best. Montgomery played well but needs to become a more consistent player. Right now he is the only DT on our roster that should even be mentioned as a starter.
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1niksder wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Isn't it interesting that all we can discuss is that there is nothing to really get upset about? :twisted:
I find that very upsetting. :)

Yeah, what's the use in having a discussion without having a reason to be upset. :(
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CanesSkins26 wrote:

I see us as having 3 competent DT's, 2 of whom are young, & 3 competent interior OL's & none of them young.


We have 3 starting caliber interior offensive linemen, while on the defensive line we have at best 1 starting caliber DT. Griffin isn't anywhere near the player he once was and Golston is a backup at best. Montgomery played well but needs to become a more consistent player. Right now he is the only DT on our roster that should even be mentioned as a starter.


There's not a person on this board that doesn't agree that we need to add a pass rusher, but let's put some factual perspective on this. Griffin actually had better numbers last year than Montgomery. There are only 8 interior defensive linemen in the NFC with better numbers than Griffin. He was also coming off significant injury last year and will be healthier this year. So don't count him out just yet. And take a look where Andre Carter is on that list.
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PulpExposure wrote:
1niksder wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Isn't it interesting that all we can discuss is that there is nothing to really get upset about? :twisted:
I find that very upsetting. :)

Yeah, what's the use in having a discussion without having a reason to be upset. :(
:idea: We need to find someone or something to blame for this :!:


Vinnie Cerrato. We need a real GM to sign Free Agents!!!


That will work, we disagree with the media all the time, Since they are singing his praise.

FoxSports wrote: You know the NFL's free-agent signing period is wacky when the Washington Redskins are the voice of reason.

The franchise is usually the first to open its checkbook and spend lavishly on players. Now, transactions that would be considered outrageous just a few years ago are bargains in today's marketplace.

Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato saw it coming. Already facing salary-cap issues from previous deals, Cerrato decided dipping back into the free-agent pool wasn't worth it.

Cerrato recently forecast that player price tags would be "astronomical."

He wasn't kidding.

Critics guffawed when Washington gave Randy Thomas — considered the top free-agent guard in 2003 — a $7 million signing bonus. Five years later, Alan Faneca received triple that amount in guaranteed money to sign with the New York Jets.

Faneca isn't the only player to have scored a record deal at his respective position. Outside linebacker Calvin Pace ($22 million from the Jets), wide receiver Bernard Berrian ($16 million from Minnesota), safety Gibril Wilson ($16 million from Oakland), center Jeff Faine ($15 million from Tampa Bay) and even a kicker — Josh Brown ($4 million from St. Louis) — also set new marks for guaranteed money in free agency.

At least Faneca is a proven commodity. None of the other five players have ever even reached the Pro Bow


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PulpExposure wrote:
1niksder wrote:Demps dislocated his elbow in a preseason game Aug. 19 and got a injury settlement in Sept. before the season started. He was a street free agent when the Titans pick him up on the Tuesday after opening week, he played that weekend and started going forward. If the Skins could get him now and get him into OTAs he could start.


Demps resigned with the Texans.


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GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:Would anyone care to point out the obvious flaw in this list? Nevermind. I'll do it. This list is outdated.

Archuletta, Adam 4,500,000
Taylor, Sean 2,054,000
Wynn, Renaldo 1,928,000
Patten, David 762,000
Hall, John 465,000
DeMulling, Rick 315,000
Jacobs, Taylor 284,000
McAdderly, Jason 245,000
White, Manuel 213,000
Marshall, Lemar 182,000
Sampson, Kevin 180,000
Salave'a, Joe 173,000
Vincent, Troy 167,000
Stoutmire, Omar 127,000
Boyd, Cody 100,000
Fauria, Christian 95,000
Jimoh, Ade 50,000
Sartz, Dallas 46,000
Bodiford, Shaun 42,000
Stoutmire, Omar 40,000
Butler, Jerametrius 40,000
Farris, Jimmy 30,000
Lefotu, Kili 23,000
Palmer, Jordan 21,000
Simon, Kevin 17,000
Mason, Marcus 16,765
Broughton, Nehemiah 14,000
Johnson, Robert 8,000
Eubanks, John 7,000
Hawkins, Chris 7,000
Havner, Spencer 7,000
Lonie, David 7,000
Harvey, Jasper 7,000
Green, Jamaal 7,000
Whitley, Taylor 7,000
Armstrong, Calvin 7,000
Whittaker, William 7,000
Clauss, Jared 6,000
Fenner, Derrick 3,000
Ortega, Buck 3,000
Onyenegecha, Chijioke 3,000
Brown, Manaia 2,000
Cox, Chip 1,000
Total 12,218,765

Here is the updated "Dead Cap" list, as of March 1st.

David Patten WR 1.525
Dallas Sartz LB 0.138
Jordan Palmer QB 0.062
Ade Jimoh CB 0.100
Mark Brunell QB 3.114
Rock Cartwright RB 0.150
Sean Taylor S 2.095
Brandon Lloyd WR

TOTAL $7.184

While I'm no Salary Cap expert, I can recognize an outdated list from the beginning of last season.


I was giving an example. WHether it was last year or this years didnt matter. I was simply making a point to a fellow poster how the Skins have been throwing away money.


Which only disproves your point even more. You'll notice the dead cap number is decreasing, not increasing. That is a good thing. It means the Redskins are not doing business as usual. Which was your complaint. Which has no basis in fact. Unless you care to complain about history.


In my original post. I complained about the possibility of us getting WIll Demps. Which is what this thread is about.

I do not like us signing an average at best player. If we do sign him I do not want this team overpaying him which is what scares me.

Look at the list again. We are paying mediocre talent all on that list. Todd Wade???? Antwan Randle El???Renaldo Wynn??? Mark Brunell???

In my opinion we shouldnt pay for mediocre players. Which is what the list clearly shows.

In my personal opinion there are alot of mediocre players on the squad getting overpaid on this team.
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HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:Would anyone care to point out the obvious flaw in this list? Nevermind. I'll do it. This list is outdated.

Archuletta, Adam 4,500,000
Taylor, Sean 2,054,000
Wynn, Renaldo 1,928,000
Patten, David 762,000
Hall, John 465,000
DeMulling, Rick 315,000
Jacobs, Taylor 284,000
McAdderly, Jason 245,000
White, Manuel 213,000
Marshall, Lemar 182,000
Sampson, Kevin 180,000
Salave'a, Joe 173,000
Vincent, Troy 167,000
Stoutmire, Omar 127,000
Boyd, Cody 100,000
Fauria, Christian 95,000
Jimoh, Ade 50,000
Sartz, Dallas 46,000
Bodiford, Shaun 42,000
Stoutmire, Omar 40,000
Butler, Jerametrius 40,000
Farris, Jimmy 30,000
Lefotu, Kili 23,000
Palmer, Jordan 21,000
Simon, Kevin 17,000
Mason, Marcus 16,765
Broughton, Nehemiah 14,000
Johnson, Robert 8,000
Eubanks, John 7,000
Hawkins, Chris 7,000
Havner, Spencer 7,000
Lonie, David 7,000
Harvey, Jasper 7,000
Green, Jamaal 7,000
Whitley, Taylor 7,000
Armstrong, Calvin 7,000
Whittaker, William 7,000
Clauss, Jared 6,000
Fenner, Derrick 3,000
Ortega, Buck 3,000
Onyenegecha, Chijioke 3,000
Brown, Manaia 2,000
Cox, Chip 1,000
Total 12,218,765

Here is the updated "Dead Cap" list, as of March 1st.

David Patten WR 1.525
Dallas Sartz LB 0.138
Jordan Palmer QB 0.062
Ade Jimoh CB 0.100
Mark Brunell QB 3.114
Rock Cartwright RB 0.150
Sean Taylor S 2.095
Brandon Lloyd WR

TOTAL $7.184

While I'm no Salary Cap expert, I can recognize an outdated list from the beginning of last season.


I was giving an example. WHether it was last year or this years didnt matter. I was simply making a point to a fellow poster how the Skins have been throwing away money.


Which only disproves your point even more. You'll notice the dead cap number is decreasing, not increasing. That is a good thing. It means the Redskins are not doing business as usual. Which was your complaint. Which has no basis in fact. Unless you care to complain about history.


In my original post. I complained about the possibility of us getting WIll Demps. Which is what this thread is about.

I do not like us signing an average at best player. If we do sign him I do not want this team overpaying him which is what scares me.


Look at the list again. We are paying mediocre talent all on that list. Todd Wade???? Antwan Randle El???Renaldo Wynn??? Mark Brunell???

In my opinion we shouldnt pay for mediocre players. Which is what the list clearly shows.

In my personal opinion there are alot of mediocre players on the squad getting overpaid on this team.


Hero, what thread have you been reading? Demps has re-signed with the Texans as already posted. Move on.
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I see us as having 3 competent DT's, 2 of whom are young, & 3 competent interior OL's & none of them young.


We have 3 starting caliber interior offensive linemen, while on the defensive line we have at best 1 starting caliber DT. Griffin isn't anywhere near the player he once was and Golston is a backup at best. Montgomery played well but needs to become a more consistent player. Right now he is the only DT on our roster that should even be mentioned as a starter.


There's not a person on this board that doesn't agree that we need to add a pass rusher, but let's put some factual perspective on this. Griffin actually had better numbers last year than Montgomery. There are only 8 interior defensive linemen in the NFC with better numbers than Griffin. He was also coming off significant injury last year and will be healthier this year. So don't count him out just yet. And take a look where Andre Carter is on that list.


So, in essence, that would put him at the nigh end of the middle of the pack, right? He's 31, he's been injured, and chances are, he's not getting better, he's getting worse. He's good if we're running a rotation with no stars, but we need a star.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:So, in essence, that would put him at the nigh end of the middle of the pack, right? He's 31, he's been injured, and chances are, he's not getting better, he's getting worse. He's good if we're running a rotation with no stars, but we need a star.


Can't fill every need with a star every year. My point was that Griffin still has a bit left in the tank, is a former Pro Bowler and posted the 2nd best numbers last year of all our d-line players. That ain't too bad. I agree he's getting older, but I think he can still play.

Our defense has been rotating d-line guys for years now, as that scheme has become common for a lot of teams, in an effort to keep fresh legs on the field at all times. I'm quite sure Blache will continue that strategy. So Griffin at 31 is not that old and won't be asked to play every down anyway. I agree we need some d-line guys, but the notion that Griffin is washed up is ludicrous.
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SkinsFreak wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:So, in essence, that would put him at the nigh end of the middle of the pack, right? He's 31, he's been injured, and chances are, he's not getting better, he's getting worse. He's good if we're running a rotation with no stars, but we need a star.


Can't fill every need with a star every year. My point was that Griffin still has a bit left in the tank, is a former Pro Bowler and posted the 2nd best numbers last year of all our d-line players. That ain't too bad. I agree he's getting older, but I think he can still play.

Our defense has been rotating d-line guys for years now, as that scheme has become common for a lot of teams, in an effort to keep fresh legs on the field at all times. I'm quite sure Blache will continue that strategy. So Griffin at 31 is not that old and won't be asked to play every down anyway. I agree we need some d-line guys, but the notion that Griffin is washed up is ludicrous.

We want a star YES BUT we do not need to "pay" for a star - we want this FO group to add people to this team that are worth what we pay :lol: We need to do a better job at locating players who are going to be "stars" for our team.

If by adding a "star" you are advocating doing what we have been doing in the past OR what some teams have been doing this year - I certainly hope we continue to "wait and see" and not overpay for players anymore :wink:

I want them to add people that we can pay fairly and then when they become "stars" we can pay them more - there are way too many players in the NFL right now that want to get paid for what they have done in the past (we used to be one of the worst at this) I would hope that we become a team that pays its players well AFTER they have earned it NOT before they earned it AND players that earned it here, on the field. :lol:

I do not think your idea of a "star" is going to accept that but there are other teams out there that will - we need stars but we need them to earn their paycheck in B&G not get paid for being a star somewhere else :wink:
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SkinsFreak wrote:
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I see us as having 3 competent DT's, 2 of whom are young, & 3 competent interior OL's & none of them young.


We have 3 starting caliber interior offensive linemen, while on the defensive line we have at best 1 starting caliber DT. Griffin isn't anywhere near the player he once was and Golston is a backup at best. Montgomery played well but needs to become a more consistent player. Right now he is the only DT on our roster that should even be mentioned as a starter.


There's not a person on this board that doesn't agree that we need to add a pass rusher, but let's put some factual perspective on this. Griffin actually had better numbers last year than Montgomery. There are only 8 interior defensive linemen in the NFC with better numbers than Griffin. He was also coming off significant injury last year and will be healthier this year. So don't count him out just yet. And take a look where Andre Carter is on that list.


There are 16 teams in the NFC and our BEST DT finished 8th? Certainly not exceptional when you consider at least 3 of those teams play a 3-4 where DT/NT doesn't typically put up big stats and gets double teamed every snap.

In addition, Grif has been injured more often lately. Golston and Montgomery are nice players but not game changers. We need a game changer at DT.

I don't think the people here arguing for a DT are saying we should go get a high priced free agent. If you read the past few pages, the argument is what our priorities should be (in free agency and the draft). We need a starting DT or a draft pick in the top 3 rounds to groom. O-line depth can be had in the later rounds of the draft and June 1st cuts.
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fleetus wrote:There are 16 teams in the NFC and our BEST DT finished 8th? Certainly not exceptional


I wasn't saying he was "exceptional", just that his numbers are better than average and he can still play. All I'm suggesting is that he isn't washed up yet. If we get a DT who can contribute, great, I'm all for that.
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