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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:50 pm
by Assasin atm
PulpExposure wrote:Assasin atm wrote:The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year.
Wait. What "premier backs" have we played against?
Dolphins: Ronnie Brown was awful at the beginning of the season (not just against the Redskins)
Eagles I: Uh Westbrook was killing us. 162 combined yards.
Giants I:
Derrick Ward had 94 yards rushing.
Detroit: Kevin Jones was averaging 4.4 a carry, but thanks to Mike Martz only got the ball 11 times. Mike Martz shut him down.
Green Bay: We did shut down that
premier back, DeShawn Wynn.
Arizona: We did shut down Edgerrin James (3.1 ypc, albiet 83 yards), but I don't put much faith in that. He's averaging 3.8 this year...not great.
New England: Not worth it.
NY Jets: They averaged 4.8 yards per carry against us. I guess we shut down Thomas Jones (3.8 ypc, 49 yards)? Premier back...no.
Eagles II: Westbrook: 20 carries, 100 yards, 1 TD. 83 yards receiving, 2 TDs. 183 yards and 3 TDs. Uh...no.
Bucs: Earnest Graham, 21 carries, 75 yards, 1 TD. I guess that's shutting him down, but he's definitely not a premier back.
Buffalo: Marshawn Lynch out. His backup had 16 carries, 82 yards (5.1 ypc), and another 69 yards receiving. 151 yards...not shut down.
Bears: Lol. We
kicked Adrian Peterson's butt! Oh wait..wrong one.
Giants: Brandon Jacobs...25 carries, 130 yards (5.2 ypc).
To me, it doesn't seem like we have played many premier backs, and we've only "shut down" crappy RBs like the other Adrian Peterson and DeShawn Wynne.
The very good RBs we've faced, like Westbrook (345 combined yards in 2 games...), and Brandon Jacobs (130 yards rushing in one game), have killed us.
Did I miss something?
No i took it into account- im talking rushing yards because adrian peterson doesnt catch the ball outa the backfield- thats a part to his game he hasnt done well at. We rank in the top 10 in rush defense- sure your gona give up yards to backs but overall the redskins have defended well against the run and how many rushing yards did westbrook get in the skins win. u said he got 100 the second time. Ok i can see your point but shuting down opposing running backs doesnt only mean holding them to under 50 yards- it means not letting them dictate the outcome of the game. Westbrook last td the was because we let him score on a 15 yard run to get the ball back. Stats can be decieving.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:17 pm
by grampi
Assasin atm wrote:The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year. Minnesotas passing game is suspect and i think we match up really well with the Vikings and would not surpise me if we dominated. Im not just saying that because of my allegiance to the skins but from an unbaised standpoint. We just need New Orleans to come back down to earth and lose a game. Thats the only way i see us not making the playoffs cuz i doudt dallas will play Romo and T.O. and alot of the starters the last game of the season.
I wouldn't bet on Dullass not playing Romo and TO. They want to have HFA throughout the play-offs and you can bet they don't want to have to go to Green Bay in January.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:19 pm
by grampi
Assasin atm wrote:grampi wrote:The stats also say our defense is one of the best in league against the run, so I'm not as worried about stopping their running game as I am about how well our offense will play.
I think they will play decent and good enough not to lose the game for them. Theres now film on Collins and teams know how to hamper him when before he came from no where. Again clinton will need to have a big game and minnesota has a good d-line so our o-line will have to step up again like it did last week. Im not as worried with beating the vikings as i was with beating the giants. I think the giants were the biggest test we would face in the last three weeks of the season.
No, I think Dullass will be our biggest test as they will be trying to get HFA throughout and they'll need to win their last two games to do so.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:20 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Lovie Smith is the worst Coach in history, he gave the vikings the game by starting and sticking with Orton, Brian Griese would have torched that secondary and won the game, the rest of that bears team came to win and win big as a statement problem was their coach wants to deflect attention from his pourous job this season and blame it on not having a good qb, unlike Joe Gibbs who always accepts responsibility and doesn't make a frivilous QB switch.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:20 pm
by grampi
Fios wrote:The stats also say the Vikings have the league's worst secondary but it's best rushing defense. They are in the top 10 in sacks and only seven teams have allowed fewer points. To be clear, I am not saying the Redskins can't win this game, I am saying it's not going to be easy.
Besides the Lions game, which games have been easy for the Skins this year? They struggle against every team.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:21 pm
by Assasin atm
grampi wrote:Assasin atm wrote:The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year. Minnesotas passing game is suspect and i think we match up really well with the Vikings and would not surpise me if we dominated. Im not just saying that because of my allegiance to the skins but from an unbaised standpoint. We just need New Orleans to come back down to earth and lose a game. Thats the only way i see us not making the playoffs cuz i doudt dallas will play Romo and T.O. and alot of the starters the last game of the season.
I wouldn't bet on Dullass not playing Romo and TO. They want to have HFA throughout the play-offs and you can bet they don't want to have to go to Green Bay in January.
Yea ur absolutly right, i wrote that before i had a chance to think. It depends on what happens this week with dallas and green bay. Even if they do lock it up before the last game i wouldnt put it past them to play their best players just to stick it to us but we very well shoulda had em the first time so whether they play romo and company or not i still like our chances. But personally i would feel more comfortable with them not playing.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:28 pm
by grampi
Assasin atm wrote:grampi wrote:Assasin atm wrote:The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year. Minnesotas passing game is suspect and i think we match up really well with the Vikings and would not surpise me if we dominated. Im not just saying that because of my allegiance to the skins but from an unbaised standpoint. We just need New Orleans to come back down to earth and lose a game. Thats the only way i see us not making the playoffs cuz i doudt dallas will play Romo and T.O. and alot of the starters the last game of the season.
I wouldn't bet on Dullass not playing Romo and TO. They want to have HFA throughout the play-offs and you can bet they don't want to have to go to Green Bay in January.
Yea ur absolutly right, i wrote that before i had a chance to think. It depends on what happens this week with dallas and green bay. Even if they do lock it up before the last game i wouldnt put it past them to play their best players just to stick it to us but we very well shoulda had em the first time so whether they play romo and company or not i still like our chances. But personally i would feel more comfortable with them not playing.
Agreed. I like the Skins chances at home this time around even with Romo and TO playing. Somehow I just don't think TO will be left wide open on 100 plays like he was in the first game and without all of his hail mary catches for TDs, we would've easily won that game. Still, no matter what, Dullass always seems to be a thorn in the Skins side.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:45 pm
by Assasin atm
grampi wrote:Assasin atm wrote:grampi wrote:Assasin atm wrote:The Redskins have a better chance at beating the vikings then they did beating the giants. We have stopped the run for the most part all year and i know that Adrian Peterson is a beast but we shut down premier backs all year. Minnesotas passing game is suspect and i think we match up really well with the Vikings and would not surpise me if we dominated. Im not just saying that because of my allegiance to the skins but from an unbaised standpoint. We just need New Orleans to come back down to earth and lose a game. Thats the only way i see us not making the playoffs cuz i doudt dallas will play Romo and T.O. and alot of the starters the last game of the season.
I wouldn't bet on Dullass not playing Romo and TO. They want to have HFA throughout the play-offs and you can bet they don't want to have to go to Green Bay in January.
Yea ur absolutly right, i wrote that before i had a chance to think. It depends on what happens this week with dallas and green bay. Even if they do lock it up before the last game i wouldnt put it past them to play their best players just to stick it to us but we very well shoulda had em the first time so whether they play romo and company or not i still like our chances. But personally i would feel more comfortable with them not playing.
Agreed. I like the Skins chances at home this time around even with Romo and TO playing. Somehow I just don't think TO will be left wide open on 100 plays like he was in the first game and without all of his hail mary catches for TDs, we would've easily won that game. Still, no matter what, Dullass always seems to be a thorn in the Skins side.
Yea they usually are -but as history has consistanly been except with a few years of exceptions-they get one and we get one.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:53 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Ok since this is the only thread that explains our team's chances... DO WE STILL have a chance if we God forbid lose on Sun night?
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:01 pm
by Deadskins
Gibbs4Life wrote:Ok since this is the only thread that explains our team's chances... DO WE STILL have a chance if we God forbid lose on Sun night?
No, but there are scenarios where we could still get in winning Sunday, but losing to the Pies next week.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:05 pm
by Assasin atm
Gibbs4Life wrote:Ok since this is the only thread that explains our team's chances... DO WE STILL have a chance if we God forbid lose on Sun night?
Im not sure but i dont think so cuz if we lose and then win against dallas we are 8-8. Vikings lose their last game 8-8 but they hold the tie breaker over us so they are in. And if we lose their is no way to catch up to the giants.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:10 pm
by Cappster
We are gonna smoke the Vikings and before that, the Saints will lose to the Iggles. We will beat the cowgirls, thump everyone in the playoffs and beat the patriots in the superbowl!!!!!!!!!! Its a great time to be a skins fan!!!!!!!
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:35 pm
by grampi
Cappster wrote:We are gonna smoke the Vikings and before that, the Saints will lose to the Iggles. We will beat the cowgirls, thump everyone in the playoffs and beat the patriots in the superbowl!!!!!!!!!! Its a great time to be a skins fan!!!!!!!
Is someone a little overly-optumistic? I'd love nothing more than to see this happen, but the odds against it must be astronomical.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:35 pm
by SkinsJock
maybe - but the odds against Miami winning the Baltimore game were out there too - of all the teams on their schedule that game had to be a loss - any given Sunday - who would have thought that the Ravens could almost beat the Patsies and then lose to the Dolphins
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:03 pm
by chiefhog44
We're rooting big for the following this weekend:
Bears (they haven't come through yet)
Cowboys (never thought I'd say that)
Eagles (ditto above)
Buffalo
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:41 pm
by NodakPaul
chiefhog44 wrote:We're rooting big for the following this weekend:
Bears (they haven't come through yet)
Cowboys (never thought I'd say that)
Eagles (ditto above)
Buffalo
Strangely enough I am pulling for the same teams this weekend. With the difference being Minnesota over Washington of course.
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:35 pm
by grampi
NodakPaul wrote:chiefhog44 wrote:We're rooting big for the following this weekend:
Bears (they haven't come through yet)
Cowboys (never thought I'd say that)
Eagles (ditto above)
Buffalo
Strangely enough I am pulling for the same teams this weekend. With the difference being Minnesota over Washington of course.
Why would you be rooting for the Viqueens over the Skins? Are you some kind of screwball?
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:04 pm
by RayNAustin
chiefhog44 wrote:RayNAustin wrote: We've actually averaged more points with Collins over the past two games against very decent defenses.
If by decent defenses you mean the 29th ranked defense in the league, you're spot on.
Don't overlook this Vikings team. They are very, very talented. Their QB is underrated. Their team is the #1 rushing team in the league and their defense is #1 in the league against the run. They know how to win games and they're hot right now. That worries me.
Chicago and NYG do have decent defenses, and most wouldn't argue that point. Both are right behind us at 14th and 16th in the league in POINTS ALLOWED, which I consider the true measure (as does the rules of football which consider point to be the deciding factor in who wins).
As for overlooking the Vikings......I think you are overlooking the Redskins. Aside from Peterson and his big play capabilities, the vikings are short handed on offense, with a QB that struggles often. On defense, they have weaknesses against the pass, so their #1 ranking against the run might be a little skewed.
And of course, as it has turned out, I was correct in my assessment of how the game should go. Aside from the prevent defense we went into for the last 20 minutes of the game, we gave them a thrashing. We stopped Peterson, intercepted the QB twice, and totally shut them out for 30 minutes. In turn, we passed effectively, and had periodic success running. If not for the conservative switch on defense in the second half, we would have won the game by +21.
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:19 pm
by 1niksder
Assasin atm wrote:Gibbs4Life wrote:Ok since this is the only thread that explains our team's chances... DO WE STILL have a chance if we God forbid lose on Sun night?
Im not sure but i dont think so cuz if we lose and then win against dallas we are 8-8. Vikings lose their last game 8-8 but they hold the tie breaker over us so they are in. And if we lose their is no way to catch up to the giants.
The Giants win locks up their spot at #5
If the Skins win they are in, if they lose they'll need Minny and NO to lose also to get in. If all three teams win the Skins are in. Who would have thunk the Redskins would be in control of their destiny?
The game was moved to 4:15 so the Saints game will be over before kickoff
Anyway you look at it, it won't be a losing season after all the loses this team has had