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Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:53 am**

Champsturf wrote:
Jake wrote:Okay guys... cool it or take it to Smack please.
Sorry Jake. I should know better than stooping to the level of his posts. I'll ignore it in the future.

Nicely played, you get to take a parting shot while claiming the "high ground."

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:56 am**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Champsturf wrote:
Jake wrote:Okay guys... cool it or take it to Smack please.
Sorry Jake. I should know better than stooping to the level of his posts. I'll ignore it in the future.

Nicely played, you get to take a parting shot while claiming the "high ground."

Please see Jake's initial post, if you feel the need to explore this further, start a thread in Smack

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:03 pm**

HEROHAMO wrote:Why is this subject even going still? THere is no way we are trading Portis.

Well, with some of the revealing articles and sounbites posted within the past few days (i.e. No communication between Saunders and Portis), it could conceivably be a thought in the Redskins braintrust. Perhaps it's not possible (due to cap ramifications), but, with Betts' play and new deal, we could get something for CP (again, not that I know what it would mean financially).

So the thread goes on. :wink:

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:05 pm**

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Why is this subject even going still? THere is no way we are trading Portis.

Well, with some of the revealing articles and sounbites posted within the past few days (i.e. No communication between Saunders and Portis), it could conceivably be a thought in the Redskins braintrust. Perhaps it's not possible (due to cap ramifications), but, with Betts' play and new deal, we could get something for CP (again, not that I know what it would mean financially).

So the thread goes on.

Pot stirrer. :lol:

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:09 pm**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Why is this subject even going still? THere is no way we are trading Portis.

Well, with some of the revealing articles and sounbites posted within the past few days (i.e. No communication between Saunders and Portis), it could conceivably be a thought in the Redskins braintrust. Perhaps it's not possible (due to cap ramifications), but, with Betts' play and new deal, we could get something for CP (again, not that I know what it would mean financially).

So the thread goes on.

Pot stirrer.

Hey, I just call them like I see 'em. :lol:

BTW - "Sources" also indicate that many of the offensive players, including CP (no definitive word on Betts yet) have been no shows at Redskins Park over the past couple of days.

Looks like there might be more than just an RB controversy brewing, eh? :wink:

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:32 pm**

Comcast Sportsnet had aired an interview with Coach Gibbs last night and asked him about CP. He gave an emphatic NO when asked if the Skins would consider trading Portis.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:32 pm**

I'm thinking they keep both Portis and Betts next year.

I think that Gibbs likes the idea of having both of them - I would not think he will consider what they might be worth - IMO, he has these 2 guys and he will keep them.

He might not trade for either one if he only had 1 but, they're here and I think he will keep them both.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:27 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:I'm thinking they keep both Portis and Betts next year.

I think that Gibbs likes the idea of having both of them - I would not think he will consider what they might be worth - IMO, he has these 2 guys and he will keep them.

He might not trade for either one if he only had 1 but, they're here and I think he will keep them both.

I think you're dead on. We were successful in Gibbs 1.0 and late this year by pounding to set up the pass. We have it, why would we risk it all on one guy, as this year showed? Particularly with CP already sucking up cap and Betts now very affordable. I don't get these "trade one" rumors, it's not happening, and it shouldn't.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:44 pm**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I'm thinking they keep both Portis and Betts next year.

I think that Gibbs likes the idea of having both of them - I would not think he will consider what they might be worth - IMO, he has these 2 guys and he will keep them.

He might not trade for either one if he only had 1 but, they're here and I think he will keep them both.

I think you're dead on. We were successful in Gibbs 1.0 and late this year by pounding to set up the pass. We have it, why would we risk it all on one guy, as this year showed? Particularly with CP already sucking up cap and Betts now very affordable. I don't get these "trade one" rumors, it's not happening, and it shouldn't.

Al will go before CP! I have it at 50/50 that Al won't be back next year!

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:43 pm**

Saw the below on a fantasy article, portis back to Denver? I haven't heard this one before but guess it's possible. T

Some rumors have Portis on the trade block and headed back to Denver, while others have him headed to Houston for a reunion with Gary Kubiak. Both of those scenarios would be positive for his value, but a return to Washington might not.

http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/story/9918751

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:24 pm**

SkinzCanes wrote:Comcast Sportsnet had aired an interview with Coach Gibbs last night and asked him about CP. He gave an emphatic NO when asked if the Skins would consider trading Portis.

That right there should honestly end this thread but sadly it won't.

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:32 pm**

so threads should end because a coach says no...what else are we gonna talk about in the off-season except for rumors and transactions once they happen.

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:53 pm**

oneman56 wrote:so threads should end because a coach says no...what else are we gonna talk about in the off-season except for rumors and transactions once they happen.

Not necessarily but this "rumor" has been carried to extreme lengths and even after a lot of considerations about any way of making it "work" - it still looks very much like it will not happen, and, now we get an emphatic "no" from Gibbs - well, like Jake says it should end here - there are lots of other considerations and innuendo we can "investigate and get constipated over" but it most likely will endure for another few pages. :shock:

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:56 pm**

oneman56 wrote:so threads should end because a coach says no...what else are we gonna talk about in the off-season except for rumors and transactions once they happen.

I still don't think Nick Saban is going to Alabama, he said he wasn't, end of story, period. I got the period.

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:52 pm**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
oneman56 wrote:so threads should end because a coach says no...what else are we gonna talk about in the off-season except for rumors and transactions once they happen.

I still don't think Nick Saban is going to Alabama, he said he wasn't, end of story, period. I got the period.

Nick Saban is a scum bag. Gibbs wouldnt lie like that.

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:30 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:I'm thinking they keep both Portis and Betts next year.

I think that Gibbs likes the idea of having both of them - I would not think he will consider what they might be worth - IMO, he has these 2 guys and he will keep them.

He might not trade for either one if he only had 1 but, they're here and I think he will keep them both.

You're not alone in your thinking, unless this is you. :shock:

Ever since the Washington Redskins closed out their highly disappointing season with a 34-28 loss to the New York Giants on Dec. 30, many have been pondering the future status of the former's star running back, Clinton Portis. The 25-year-old has been among the NFL's most productive ball carriers throughout his short career, but he missed most of last season with injuries to his shoulder and ankle.

In the absence of Portis, career backup Ladell Betts stepped in and thrived behind Washington's above-average offensive line. The five-year veteran appeared in all 16 games for the 5-11 Redskins, started in nine, rushed for a terrific 1,154 yards on an eye-popping 4.7 per-carry rate and added 53 receptions from the backfield, which was just four behind Santana Moss' team-leading 57.

Between Nov. 26 and Dec. 24, the ex-second-round pick from Iowa had five straight games of 100-plus yards rushing, with his best being a 33-carry, 171-yard extravaganza against the Philadelphia Eagles on Dec. 10.

Because of the 27-year-old Betts' emergence and subsequent five-year contract extension Washington rewarded him, some are hoping the team sends Portis to a needy club for a high-round draft choice. Not so fast, though. Portis' contract may be a big burden to carry for the Redskins, but, thanks to victory-hungry owner Dan Snyder, they're one of the richest franchises in the league. Put simply, money doesn't seem to be any object for the organization, as has been evidenced so often in the past.

In the current NFL, it's often beneficial to have an effective two-back system. In fact, of the eight playoff teams remaining, all have a pair of runners at least capable of performing well on any given Sunday. The best example, of course, is the NFC's New Orleans Saints , a squad that brings the versatile attack of Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush.

The 5-foot-11, 212-pound Portis was banged up this past season, but is that really a reason to put him on the trading block? Absolutely not. The soon-to-be sixth-year man still averaged 4.1 yards per carry in 2006 and racked up an impressive seven touchdowns in just eight games, which compares favorably to Betts' four scores in eight more contests.

And one can't ignore Portis' overall career numbers. The speedster, who was a second-round pick of the Denver Broncos in 2002, opened his career with four straight seasons of 1,300-plus yards rushing, including three years eclipsing the 1,500-yard plateau. He did all of that while missing only four games, which is an impressive feat for the RB position, known as one of the most bruising in football.

When the offseason reaches its peak in terms of free agency and the draft, the Redskins will have plenty of roster adjustments to make. Running back, however, shouldn't be an area worth tinkering with. And that's a sentiment echoed by the team's head coach, Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs:

"We feel great about those two guys carrying the ball for us. They've been great partners in the past."

Posted: **Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:36 am**

Thanks for the props 1niksder - man, you are just everywhere :lol:

I just do not see it happening - like I said, they're here and Gibbs and Saunders will work with that - There are a lot of concerns all over the team but for the next year, at least, I think these are the main guys at that position.

I think we will see a lot of surprises (in new players and "old") as we try and get a bunch of guys who want to play and want to commit to the team philosophy, but I would be surprised if Portis and Betts are not both here.

Posted: **Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:50 am**

HEROHAMO wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
oneman56 wrote:so threads should end because a coach says no...what else are we gonna talk about in the off-season except for rumors and transactions once they happen.

I still don't think Nick Saban is going to Alabama, he said he wasn't, end of story, period. I got the period.
Nick Saban is a scum bag. Gibbs wouldnt lie like that.

I agree 100%, I was just joking about coaches, not making fun of Gibbs personally.

Posted: **Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:55 am**

Until here is any evidence of this trade, maybe it should go away and sleep.

I follow English football-soccer, where players are always being "linked" with moves to other teams. After a bit, I learned -- part of learning English sports jargon -- that "linked means "hasn't the least chance ever of moving to" the other team.

This is the same thing.

The American counter-part is WFAN, as TCW can attest. "Mike and the Mad Dog show:

Caller: "Hey Dog, this has got to happen. The Yankees trade Posada, ARod, Bernie, Mussina, and three minor leaguers for Ted Williams, Pete Rose, and the Boston Red Sox infield, plus the rights to Ray Lewis and Gino Marchetti. Then they sell Lewis and Marchetti to the Giants, and use the money to sign Roger Clemens. Right? Right?"

Mad Dog: "But Ted Williams died a couple of years ago, and Marchetti retired in the '60's".

Caller: "So what? Who was the last guy to hit 400? What does Steinbrenner care if he's dead...George can pay him enough to get un-dead..."

And so on.

By the way, didn't George work out a three-way deal to send Drew Henson, the next star QB, to Dallas for a couple of Texas Ranger prospects????

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:32 pm**

CP's house is on the market.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:00 am**

skinsfan#33 wrote:CP's house is on the market.

This could mean anything. Maybe he needs a house with a larger stripper-pole room in the basement. :lol:

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:27 am**

skinsfan#33 wrote:CP's house is on the market.

Are you serious? Where did you hear this?

One of my best friends lives in Maryland and delivers medical equipment. Clinton's grandmother uses oxygen and my friend has been to Clinton's house several times. He says the house is pretty damn sweet. But he says that several of Clinton's family members live with him. Maybe he needs a larger house.

I really hope we don't trade Portis. If we do, that would mean we would have to target another RB in free agency or the draft. I still don't see this happening. But, you never know.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:52 am**

SkinsFreak wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:CP's house is on the market.

Are you serious? Where did you hear this?

One of my best friends lives in Maryland and delivers medical equipment. Clinton's grandmother uses oxygen and my friend has been to Clinton's house several times. He says the house is pretty damn sweet. But he says that several of Clinton's family members live with him. Maybe he needs a larger house.

I really hope we don't trade Portis. If we do, that would mean we would have to target another RB in free agency or the draft. I still don't see this happening. But, you never know.

We have a surfeit of capable running backs. We could afford to trade Portis because Betts and Cartwright are a workable tandem. I'd hate to lose CP, but I'm afraid that with the poor moves this team has made with draft picks, trades, and free agency, the cupboard is bare in terms of creating a playoff-level defense. Unfortunately, I think a trade like this has to be considered at this point.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:16 am**

BernieSki wrote:I do not think that living in Maryland and working in Virginia is all that unusual.

It's not. But what I said was "Certainly it's possible but it seems highly unlikely someone would move here out of state and sign up for higher taxes and a long commute in exchange for nothing."

Let's say he lives in Potomac, which is a nice area and about as close to Virginia as he can get. To get to Redskin park you have to drive to the American legion bridge, crawl to the Dulles access road. Hopefully you're generally going against traffic after that but you're still going to hit delays before you get to Redskin park. I see someone said he lived in McLean, which would make sense.

If LaVar lived in Annapolis and drove it every day maybe that's why he never had time to learn the defense.

BernieSki wrote:As far as trading Portis, I would like to keep him on the team but sometimes you have to give up a player that you like in order to get a player that you need. I think finding a good running back is one of the easiest positions to fill on a team. If we are going to trade him lets do it now while we can still get someting good for him

I dont' get this endless Portis speculation.

First of all, we need him. Betts is a nice #2 punch but no Portis and so far can't hold onto the ball. I want Portis in when a Betts fumble would cost us the game.

Second of all, we signed him to a big contract with lots of bonus (i.e., Cap hit if we trade/cut him) and you don't do that for a guy you're not planning to keep. He ran for 1300 and 1500 yards and this year showed a lot of heart hurting himself on the first play of exhibition and coming back while the shoulder never healed. Why would we WANT to trade him? And how moronic would our front office be to get a guy we need and trade him anyway taking a big cap hit?

It makes no sense, why do people keep talking about this?

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:50 am**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Portis lives in Maryland? That's a witch of a commute. I find that story dubious. Certainly it's possible but it seems highly unlikely someone would move here out of state and sign up for higher taxes and a long commute in exchange for nothing.

I do not know anything about where Portis lives but Levar lived just outside of Annapolis. I do not think that living in Maryland and working in Virginia is all that unusual.

As far as trading Portis, I would like to keep him on the team but sometimes you have to give up a player that you like in order to get a player that you need. I think finding a good running back is one of the easiest positions to fill on a team. If we are going to trade him lets do it now while we can still get someting good for him

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