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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:55 am
by ATV
Fact. The reply above was written by me, not a cut and paste, based on research AND my recollections from then.


Oh, well, who needs to identify sources when you can simply pull them out of your ass?.....

Fact. Kerry met with members of the North Vietnamese delegation several times in Paris.


FICTION - There is only one documented trip by Kerry to Paris....

http://mediamatters.org/items/200409230001

Fact. Kerry was not authorized to negotiate with the above delegation


FICTION (misleading statement) - Since when does attending a Peace Talk constitute a formal negotiation? Kerry himself said "I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties, and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator [Eugene] McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera.".....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... am/?page=2

Fact. Kerry presented the North Vietnamese position, and pushed his view that it should be accepted as was.


Uhhhh.....let's see, before I dispute this one, I should ask....so what?

Fact. Kerry treated with the enemy to the detriment of the US, an act with constitutes treason.


FICTION - "Treated"? You mean they shared tea and cookies? I think you should explain how meeting with a foreign delegation (while our country is NOT in a declared war) constitutes treason. Did he provide them information on troop positions? How about technical specifications on Navy ships? No?

Fact. I make no effort to call these meetings "secret", which is really the only discrepancy your article notes in the Fox News report. It certainly does not challenge the facts as I state above.


FICTION - The article was to illustrate that "Kerry's visit to Paris was not to formally participate in negotiations with Communist leaders." This challenged your statement "This is treating with the enemy" from your previous reply.

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:39 am
by Countertrey
Oh, well, who needs to identify sources when you can simply pull them out of your ass?.....


I suppose that you would be an expert on this. Hey, resolve this for me...
Moore's pledge now my own

I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:

1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.



Oh, nevermind. You can't. You know that the statement is factually accurate. Your only response has to be a personal attack. You can do nothing else.

I'm sorry that this is inconvenient for you... I truly am.

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:02 pm
by ATV
Hey, resolve this for me...

Quote: Moore's pledge now my own


I don't understand - What's there to resolve? How is this a personal attack?

How about you resolve why you're trying to change the subject?

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:22 pm
by crazyhorse1
Countertrey wrote:
Oh, well, who needs to identify sources when you can simply pull them out of your ass?.....


I suppose that you would be an expert on this. Hey, resolve this for me...
Moore's pledge now my own

I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:

1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.



Oh, nevermind. You can't. You know that the statement is factually accurate. Your only response has to be a personal attack. You can do nothing else.

I'm sorry that this is inconvenient for you... I truly am.


I would comment on this post if I knew what the devil it was about.

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:47 am
by Dangerfield
Countertrey....

Whatever Man, you type the word FACT and then demolish the meaning of the word by throwing in your own biased comments and then twisting the very FACT that you originally stated into an editorial.


John Kerry was a serviceman, and the point I was trying to make when I asked you guys if you've ever served was to illustrate that NOT MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER BEEN IN COMBAT ARE INHERENTLY CAPABLE OF CRITICIZING THE MILITARY.....even for political gain.

GW on the other hand, and most of you who blast Kerry, would have no idea what I'm talking about.