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According to all of the players on this team, that were asked on the record and off, the only other qb on this team that understands the offense and is able to run it , is Todd Collins. Campbell just isn't ready.

die cowboys die wrote:.. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

I understand that we all are very frustrated but it is comments like these that make you realize some here have really no concept about what is happening on the field!
This is a statement that indicates to me that we only have to remove the QB and all the other facets of our team will be resolved - give us a break - please

SkinsJock wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:.. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

I understand that we all are very frustrated but it is comments like these that make you realize some here have really no concept about what is happening on the field!
This is a statement that indicates to me that we only have to remove the QB and all the other facets of our team will be resolved - give us a break - please

HEY, author of this MORONic post,

die cowboys die wrote:right at the moment our offense should be taking off, it crumbles. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

pretty clearly specific in regards to THE OFFENSE, don't you think???

apparently YOU have "no concept" as to what the hell you are reading.

die cowboys die wrote:HEY, author of this MORONic post,

die cowboys die wrote:right at the moment our offense should be taking off, it crumbles. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

pretty clearly specific in regards to THE OFFENSE, don't you think???

apparently YOU have "no concept" as to what the hell you are reading.

No, it's still you.

I was pointing out that assigning 100% blame to the QB for the offensive problems was a mistake in my opinion! This shows complete disregard for the level of play of others on the offense or the play calling by Saunders. This is an incorrect statement. He might be mostly to blame but that is not what you said.

Anyone who is needs to use caps in the manner you did is also very clearly trying to deceive anybody from the real intent!

I am not going to get dragged into any mudslinging with someone who would advocate harm to a current player on the Redskins. Any Redskin fan who would do that is beneath contempt in my opinion

Steve Spurrier III wrote:The achillies heel of this team is its passing defense, not its passing offense. I believe its time for Campbell because the season is shot, but blaming Brunell for this year's failures is ridiculous. Sonny Jurgensen could have quarterbacked this team, and we still would have sucked. No quarterback can overcome questionable play-calling, a miserable defense, a shaky (at best) kicking game and an NFL-leading amount of penalties and penalty yardage. And if you think I'm wrong, just wait until Campbell finally does get to play - it's going to be ugly.

It most likely will be ugly, because the one thing Brunell doesn't do is make mistakes.

Brunell is the perfect game manager, and if you have a good running game and a good defense, that's who you want running your offense. That's what we expected to have this year.

We don't have even an average defense. We're freaking awful. Suddenly, a game manager isn't the kind of QB you need. You need someone who can put points up on the board, on a fairly consistent basis, because you know your defense is going to let in points. And a lot of them.

With Brunell at the helm, we just have no ability to put a lot of points on the board when we need them. The best he can do, barring some miraculous receiver job, is that he goes on a 10-15 play drive down the field, eating up lots of time. Of course, that assumes we don't have any penalties, sacks, or negative yardage plays, because we simply don't have the ability to recover on offense from any one of them.

From the Washington Post...

More delicate is the acknowledgment of both the coaching staff and players that, at least offensively, statistics can be misleading. The team is producing similar numbers, but not similar results, as last season. The coaches want to work more closely with Brunell, especially on his dropbacks on passing plays and his reading of defenses. While Brunell is a more accurate passer this year than a year ago, the coaching staff wants to emphasize to him that, in associate head coach Al Saunders's offense, decision-making must be immediate. Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense, coaches say, and forced him to throw to a safety-valve receiver, most often a running back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/25/AR2006102501844.html

SkinsJock wrote:I was pointing out that assigning 100% blame to the QB for the offensive problems was a mistake in my opinion! This shows complete disregard for the level of play of others on the offense or the play calling by Saunders. This is an incorrect statement. He might be mostly to blame but that is not what you said.

Anyone who is needs to use caps in the manner you did is also very clearly trying to deceive anybody from the real intent!

I am not going to get dragged into any mudslinging with someone who would advocate harm to a current player on the Redskins. Any Redskin fan who would do that is beneath contempt in my opinion

It is 100 Percent Brunells Fault. His crappy play means our offense is producing nothing. Time of possesion is way down. Which means our defense is out on the field most of the game. Which means a tired defense. A tired defense means a vulnerable defense. The Qb is always the leader of the Offense if not the whole team usually. He is our leader So I ask? Where is Brunell leading us? To the gutter son! Wake up and smell the coffee! How much longer before u realize this guy is washed up and sucks! He is also horrible at keeping the team morale up! Just take a look at him and his body language on the sideline. He looks like he has lost right from the begining! We need a Hero ! We need a hero a hero in the morning light. Hes gotta be fast and hes gotta be strong ! Do Do Do Do! AH AH We need a Hero! Oh Lord please reveal the man who lead this Redskins Franchise back to prominence.

die cowboys die wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:.. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

I understand that we all are very frustrated but it is comments like these that make you realize some here have really no concept about what is happening on the field!
This is a statement that indicates to me that we only have to remove the QB and all the other facets of our team will be resolved - give us a break - please

HEY, author of this MORONic post,

die cowboys die wrote:right at the moment our offense should be taking off, it crumbles. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

pretty clearly specific in regards to THE OFFENSE, don't you think???

apparently YOU have "no concept" as to what the hell you are reading.

Wanted to preserve this post for posterity.

tcwest10 wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:.. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

I understand that we all are very frustrated but it is comments like these that make you realize some here have really no concept about what is happening on the field!
This is a statement that indicates to me that we only have to remove the QB and all the other facets of our team will be resolved - give us a break - please

HEY, author of this MORONic post,

die cowboys die wrote:right at the moment our offense should be taking off, it crumbles. this is 100% brunell's fault, no way around it.

pretty clearly specific in regards to THE OFFENSE, don't you think???

apparently YOU have "no concept" as to what the hell you are reading.

Wanted to preserve this post for posterity.

Thanks tcw - there is always another side



I will say that if anything good can come of this current situation with the Redskins it is the possibility that some here might finally completely blow a gasket and do all of us a favor

SkinzCanes wrote:From the Washington Post...

More delicate is the acknowledgment of both the coaching staff and players that, at least offensively, statistics can be misleading. The team is producing similar numbers, but not similar results, as last season. The coaches want to work more closely with Brunell, especially on his dropbacks on passing plays and his reading of defenses. While Brunell is a more accurate passer this year than a year ago, the coaching staff wants to emphasize to him that, in associate head coach Al Saunders's offense, decision-making must be immediate. Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense, coaches say, and forced him to throw to a safety-valve receiver, most often a running back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/25/AR2006102501844.html

Brunell has disrupted the timing of the offense?!? That just can't be true! He's a supersmart veteran who gives us our best chance to win a very high draft pick now!

PulpExposure wrote:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:The achillies heel of this team is its passing defense, not its passing offense. I believe its time for Campbell because the season is shot, but blaming Brunell for this year's failures is ridiculous. Sonny Jurgensen could have quarterbacked this team, and we still would have sucked. No quarterback can overcome questionable play-calling, a miserable defense, a shaky (at best) kicking game and an NFL-leading amount of penalties and penalty yardage. And if you think I'm wrong, just wait until Campbell finally does get to play - it's going to be ugly.

It most likely will be ugly, because the one thing Brunell doesn't do is make mistakes.

Brunell is the perfect game manager, and if you have a good running game and a good defense, that's who you want running your offense. That's what we expected to have this year.

We don't have even an average defense. We're freaking awful. Suddenly, a game manager isn't the kind of QB you need. You need someone who can put points up on the board, on a fairly consistent basis, because you know your defense is going to let in points. And a lot of them.

With Brunell at the helm, we just have no ability to put a lot of points on the board when we need them. The best he can do, barring some miraculous receiver job, is that he goes on a 10-15 play drive down the field, eating up lots of time. Of course, that assumes we don't have any penalties, sacks, or negative yardage plays, because we simply don't have the ability to recover on offense from any one of them.

At least someone gets it. Yes, the defense needs to be fixed, but it needs more work than the team can do in the middle of the season. It's not going to be back to top 10 form anytime soon. If we want to win NOW, we're going to have to do it by getting at least 27 or so points per game, just like KC used to do. They usually had a worst 10 defense, but won plenty of games by scoring huge numbers of points and daring the other team to keep up. Our offense has only averaged 11 in our losses. That's not getting it done by a long shot.

The Hogster wrote:I apologize for the "cant you read" comment

No worries. In the heat of battle, many things are said. The ironic thing is that I think we're basically trying to make the same point.

dcd... creative way to break the rules and call someone a moron.

Do it again & You're going to get Suspended

admin wrote:dcd... creative way to break the rules and call someone a moron.

Do it again & You're going to get Suspended

Haha .

While Brunell may be over the hill, Doc Walker made a very assertive and smart point...he said that the fans who keep calling for Campbell have no concept of football...he articulated that as the 3rd QB...Campbell doesn't even run the plays..he simply charts them...runs the dummy scout offense and reads the plays on paper...putting him in would be like watching him in practice...except everything would count.

The only viable option in Walker's opinion is to play Collins...who actually takes snaps, runs the plays and knows the offense.

The fact that Collins was the 3rd stringer in KC tells you something, so at some point we need to just give Campbell some practice snaps....otherwise we can't use him in a game, even if Mark goes down.


What eats at me was how Gibbs kept saying that Brunell wasn't gonna play a whole lot in preseason because he didn't need the reps.

The Hogster wrote:

admin wrote:dcd... creative way to break the rules and call someone a moron.

Do it again & You're going to get Suspended

Haha .

While Brunell may be over the hill, Doc Walker made a very assertive and smart point...he said that the fans who keep calling for Campbell have no concept of football...he articulated that as the 3rd QB...Campbell doesn't even run the plays..he simply charts them...runs the dummy scout offense and reads the plays on paper...putting him in would be like watching him in practice...except everything would count.

The only viable option in Walker's opinion is to play Collins...who actually takes snaps, runs the plays and knows the offense.

The fact that Collins was the 3rd stringer in KC tells you something, so at some point we need to just give Campbell some practice snaps....otherwise we can't use him in a game, even if Mark goes down.


What eats at me was how Gibbs kept saying that Brunell wasn't gonna play a whole lot in preseason because he didn't need the reps.

Doc Walker is correct. But what needs to happen now is Campbell get the reps in practice. Doc has also said that a QB can't grow into a QB unless he get's the reps.. This bye-week is a perfect opportunity to do so and that gives the coaches an idea of where this kid is in his development. I wonder how the first two days of him taking reps with the first team, went?

That's the question......

Double Standard; Why is it that Brunell can play without practicing? I distinctly remember Gibbs saying of Portis that a player that doesn't practice would have a hard time playing in the game.

Huh...Brunell sits out of practice like its a habit and he still gets out there....its not like he has his timing....what the heck is the basis of this double standard.

The Hogster wrote:Double Standard; Why is it that Brunell can play without practicing? I distinctly remember Gibbs saying of Portis that a player that doesn't practice would have a hard time playing in the game.

Huh...Brunell sits out of practice like its a habit and he still gets out there....its not like he has his timing....what the heck is the basis of this double standard.

Everyone knows that if a player is supersmart, and he plays his guts out, he doesn't need to practice. Sheesh.

Well if you ask me, QB's don't need practice, and running backs do. Portis has to get his timing down with the lineman to get through the holes, BOONELL is super smart and the powers of St. Joe will allow the QB the time off. Nevermind the pitty pat of the ball, never mind the timing with the recievers. Joe knows more about football than us all and as long as he has a super smart veteran under center it's all well and fine.

I remember the good wrote:Well if you ask me, QB's don't need practice, and running backs do. Portis has to get his timing down with the lineman to get through the holes, BOONELL is super smart and the powers of St. Joe will allow the QB the time off. Nevermind the pitty pat of the ball, never mind the timing with the recievers. Joe knows more about football than us all and as long as he has a super smart veteran under center it's all well and fine.

He knows more about football, but I think he's delusional if he thinks Brunell doesn't need reps......thing is if he practices his body breaks down because he's 173 years old.

Yes I agree St. Joe is delusional and in denial with what he has done in regards to BOONELL. I have lost alot of respect for him and personally I think he can't do the job that needs to be done here, he is too nice a man and doesn't have the nasty streak this team needs. I have a terrible feeling that Dallas is going to totally destroy this team and by the 4th quarter we will see Lloyd and other confront BOONELL, as they should have done 5 games ago. To hell with this in house crap, show some emotion and tell BOONELL he sucks, I know I do every chance I get!

Why is Gibbs sticking with Brunell???

No one knows!!!

SkinsFreak wrote:Why is Gibbs sticking with Brunell???

No one knows!!!

Because Joe Jackson Gibbs is stuck on stupid and he is too arrogant to admit he made a mistake, however he does accept all liability so in essense he continues to stick with BOONELL and as the season gets flushed he remarks about super smart guys, well when will Gibbs become super smart and realize that BOONELL isn't the answer, was never the answer and his best services is mentoring the future.

Because Daniel Snyder paid 49 million dollars for him and probably has the heat on Gibbs to prove that he didn't waste nearly 50 Huge Ones, and benching Brunell would be an admission of that.

Not to mention Joe Gibbs is a hypocrite...people say he is loyal, but I seen to recall him benching Ramsey in less than one game.

Now I don't think Ramsey was the "guy" but that situation shows that he will pull the trigger when he 'wants to'...thing is for some reason, he doesn't want to pull the trigger on Brunell....why? The world can only guess.

The Hogster wrote:Because Daniel Snyder paid 49 million dollars for him and probably has the heat on Gibbs to prove that he didn't waste nearly 50 Huge Ones, and benching Brunell would be an admission of that.

Agreed. I've been thinking that for some time now.

Although, there comes a time to cut your losses, admit your mistake and move on. Regardless of whether Brunell can make some plays here and there, I just find it very difficult to believe that he will be able to pull it out now, after a 2-5 start.

I truely believe Gibbs to have the finest and most genuine 'character' in the game today. Redemption is only as far away as one allows it to be. I'm still praying.