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You guys kill me, when we win you are all supportive think Brunell is a good QB, when we lose you want his head. We got beat, they out played us.... period. They stopped our running game and covered our receivers. We didn't return the favor to them, our secondary is terrible, Eli through long passes on us at will. But it's not Brunells fault we lost, who's he going to throw to when there is nobody open? I'm as upset as the rest of you but he's our QB so live with it and support him. Bashing him after every loss isn't going to do any good. We have weaknesses on the field and Brunell is far from our weakest link.

Here we go again, blaming the QB for the ENTIRE teams shortcomings!! It seems like the same people after every loss seem to blame ONE person for a teams loss.

If people are going to play the blame game, how come they don't point fingers at Rumph and Wright? Brunell wasn't the one that got burned on so many deep passes, was he? What about when Sean Taylor got burned? Was that Brunells fault as well?

Playing the blame game on ONE position is nothing more than someone showing how blind they are to the entire team as a whole. While Brunell didn't win this game for us, he didn't lose it either. He didn't have much opportunity to do anything cuz the Giants D line was getting penetration all day long, and if Brunell doesn't have time to throw it, how can he catch Moss, ey, ARE, and anyone else for that matter?

If you're gonna play the blame game, play it right and blame the right people. And, when you're doing it, make sure you check out Rumph, Wright, Taylor, Archuleta, and a whole slew of other people.

But it's not Brunells fault we lost, who's he going to throw to when there is nobody open?

There were receivers open today. Brunell just missed them. No he isn't the only one to blame for the loss. But he didn't step up and do anything to help us win either. As the qb that is his job. I have never seen him pick up the team and carry it when the D has struggled. How many times have they done it for him? And the running game wasn't that bad. CP had 76 yards against a tough run defense. The 29th rated pass defense and Brunell throws for 109 yards and leads us to 3 points.

BossHog wrote:We got flat out out-played from stem to stern. Blaming it on CP to deflect blame from Brunell is no less fact-based than blaming it squarely on Brunell.

It was a team effort... or lack thereof...

DING! DING! DING!!!

I completely agree, and it was the original point I made. THe CP reference was simply made to highlight what you just said. It's ridiculous to pin it on one person. It's just waaaaaaaaaay easier to put it on the QB even when the team, on both sides of the ball, plays poorly.


Now, back to your regularly scheduled Brunell lynching.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

BossHog wrote:We got flat out out-played from stem to stern. Blaming it on CP to deflect blame from Brunell is no less fact-based than blaming it squarely on Brunell.

It was a team effort... or lack thereof...

DING! DING! DING!!!

I completely agree, and it was the original point I made. THe CP reference was simply made to highlight what you just said.

Yeah sure...

This was a terrible game... everyone should accept responsibility, including the coaching staff...

Why did we trade for TJ Duckett? Was our bench not warm enough?

This situation is like buying some furniture at the store, deciding you don't like it and leaving it in the garage, it's moronic.

Yes, even the coaching staff have to share the responsibility, but not JUST the QB. The coaching staff didn't have the players focused, they weren't intense, played with no sense of urgency, and the players didn't do there part either.

The point being, Brunell is not the ONLY thing that went wrong, the ENTIRE team was outplayed from top to botton, from beginning to end.

Yes, even the coaching staff have to share the responsibility, but not JUST the QB. The coaching staff didn't have the players focused, they weren't intense, played with no sense of urgency, and the players didn't do there part either.

The point being, Brunell is not the ONLY thing that went wrong, the ENTIRE team was outplayed from top to botton, from beginning to end.

That may be true but the overall point being made is that Brunell never plays well unless everything else is going right. He might not lose games, but he never wins them either. Today with everything as bad as it was, it would've been nice if our qb stepped up and made some plays to get us back into the game. He couldn't do it.

Let's look on the bright side, we're going to get a nice draft pick this year.

JPFair wrote:Yes, even the coaching staff have to share the responsibility, but not JUST the QB. The coaching staff didn't have the players focused, they weren't intense, played with no sense of urgency, and the players didn't do there part either.

The point being, Brunell is not the ONLY thing that went wrong, the ENTIRE team was outplayed from top to botton, from beginning to end.

Yeah. And your point about the coaching was right on, because they seemed to call the right plays against us.

The arm-tackling by our defense didn't help with that, of course...

Brunell doesn't play defense....right now our defense is pretty embarassing against the deep pass.

Although the entire team was outplayed in the NY game, I think our BIGGEST problem, though not the only problem, is Kenny Wright and Mike Rumph, along with Archuleta. These three guys are killing us by getting beat week in and week out. There's no consistency with those guys at all, they just keep getting beat deep. It's KILLING us!!! At least Brunell shows some production at times, but these guys have yet to show they're even worthy of being on an NFL roster, much less a complex system like GW's.

The Hogster wrote:Brunell doesn't play defense....right now our defense is pretty embarassing against the deep pass.

That's right, our defense was bad, almost like they had our playbook.

Although the entire team was outplayed in the NY game, I think our BIGGEST problem, though not the only problem, is Kenny Wright and Mike Rumph, along with Archuleta. These three guys are killing us by getting beat week in and week out. There's no consistency with those guys at all, they just keep getting beat deep. It's KILLING us!!! At least Brunell shows some production at times, but these guys have yet to show they're even worthy of being on an NFL roster, much less a complex system like GW's.

I agree with that, excpet that I would include Rogers in that group. He has been as bad as Wright and Rumph, and even worse at times. He cant catch a ball to save his life and has no awarness of where the ball is when his in coverage. He needs to start to playing like a top 10 pick.

I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

I dont think so...its games like this that make me wonder.....we need a guy who can make an exceptional play....as bad as the D was playing we were were only down 13 mid 4th qtr...and it seemed like we had no chance.....he just doesnt do anything really well and when you have the weapons that he has and you pass for 100 yds when your team is losing the whole game, i jut think thats inexcusable....McNabb threw TDs to 3 different receivers today.....Brunell hasnt even completed 3 passes to his 2nd receiver all year.....i know McNabb is a great talent and we dont necessarily need a QB that good, but Brunell just seems so done. Sure he will have a good game every once in a while where his receiver(s) (aka Santana) will make him look alot better than he is, but in the long run he is not the answer. I dont even think he played that badly today...he just didnt do anything....like he always does when we come out flat. And now that Greg williams got his money and seemingly forgot how to coach defense, we need a playmaker at QB to help us along. I got a bad feeling about the rest of this yr. I only hope i am wrong.

JPFair wrote:

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

does the Arena League have a Superbowl now?

JPFair wrote:An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period.

i'm sick of all the pathetic whining about "he didn't have time" "he was under pressure" "no one was open". please, open your eyes people. watch some of these other games on all day and take note of the fact that almost EVERY QB in the frickin' NFL is under pressure, and most receivers are pretty tightly covered the majority of the time. but when you watch a good QB operate, he finds ways to get the ball there anyway.

watching decent QBs play, compared to watching brunell play, there is such a wide margin there it jumps right out at you. watching the cowboys try to squeak by with old crusty Bledsoe is such a clear parallel to our situation... these guys are just too old and can't cut it on a consistent basis anymore. the difference is, bledsoe does way more positive things, but he also does way more negative things. this is because he at least tries to make plays. brunell just does nothing either way, and we end up with 100 yards passing, which literally any other QB in the league could beat if we brought them in to play QB for us.

die cowboys die wrote:

JPFair wrote:

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

does the Arena League have a Superbowl now?

JPFair wrote:An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period

NONSENSE!!! It's EVERYBODYS job to lead them to where they wanna go? What makes you think that it's the QB's job to lead us there? Do you think the Right Guard, the Left Guard, or anyone else other than the QB is just supposed to sit back and let the QB show them the way? There may be an I in YOUR team, but there's no I in the Redskins, or any other team for that matter. To say that any ONE person leads them to the Super Bowl or not is ridiculous. What does the Kicker do, just sit on the bench without having to do ANYTHING?

die cowboys die wrote:

JPFair wrote:

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

does the Arena League have a Superbowl now?

JPFair wrote:An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period

If the wide receiver isn't supposed to lead us to the super bowl, or the right guard isn't supposed to, answer me this? What exactly ARE they supposed to do? Just sit back and watch the QB take the entire team, including the defense, to the Super Bowl? Are they supposed to just lie down and go to sleep, wake up and be in the Super Bowl?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period

This website is dedicated to the hogs, a group of offensive lineman who took 3 different quarterbacks to 3 superbowls. It doesn't have to be the quarterback's job to lead a team to greatness. It's a team sport, arguably moreso than any of the other major sports. Period.

JPFair wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

JPFair wrote:

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

does the Arena League have a Superbowl now?

JPFair wrote:An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period

If the wide receiver isn't supposed to lead us to the super bowl, or the right guard isn't supposed to, answer me this? What exactly ARE they supposed to do? Just sit back and watch the QB take the entire team, including the defense, to the Super Bowl? Are they supposed to just lie down and go to sleep, wake up and be in the Super Bowl?

I think what he is trying to say is the QB is usually the leader of the team and should lead.......Brunell was that guy in his early years when he could actually run faster than a defensive tackle but as it usually does.....age has caught up to him and his leadership abilities. He needs to be the LEADER while everyone else does their own job to piece together a super bowl puzzle......but the QB is usually the most important part. He just doesnt have it. It was a crime today to have all those weapons on the field and to produce that little. Sure he was under pressure but did you happen to watch the 4PM game? D Mcnabb was under alot of pressure as well....ALL GAME.....yet he passed for 350 and 3TDs to 3 different receivers.......our 2nd receiver hasnt even caught 3 passes this yr let alone a TD.....i wonder why.....

JPFair wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

JPFair wrote:

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

does the Arena League have a Superbowl now?

JPFair wrote:An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period

NONSENSE!!! It's EVERYBODYS job to lead them to where they wanna go? What makes you think that it's the QB's job to lead us there? Do you think the Right Guard, the Left Guard, or anyone else other than the QB is just supposed to sit back and let the QB show them the way? There may be an I in YOUR team, but there's no I in the Redskins, or any other team for that matter. To say that any ONE person leads them to the Super Bowl or not is ridiculous. What does the Kicker do, just sit on the bench without having to do ANYTHING?

no offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

i never said it's not a team sport. i never said the other players aren't supposed to do everything they can to push the team forward and make them better. but if they aren't being perfect, it IS the QB's job to step up and make plays anyway. if the QB isn't making plays, it's not the left tackle's responsibility to somehow win the game.

i never said everything that's going wrong is brunell's fault-- FAR from it. the defense and the o-line are embarassing and i'd probably bench 70% of them if there was a choice. but there isn't. there is a choice at QB.

i'm sorry but it's a very simple fact: good QBs don't need everything around them to be perfect. mark brunell does. the end, nothing more to it.
100 yards passing is beyond any reasonable defense unless your offensive line is Oakland-bad, and ours isn't. you know this, please stop trying to invent absurdly implausible ways to defend another ONE-HUNDRED YARD PASSING game.

as i said before, every single other QB in the league would've thrown for more yards against the giants today if they played for us. every last one.

die cowboys die wrote:

JPFair wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

JPFair wrote:

jru37726 wrote:I understand today wasnt all Brunells fault....but answer this question for me....do you TRULY think Mark Brunell can lead this team to the Super Bowl?

Yes!

does the Arena League have a Superbowl now?

JPFair wrote:An equally good question is "Will the rest of the team do the same"?

it isn't the right guard's job to lead a team to the superbowl. nor is it the fullback's job to lead the team to a superbowl. it isn't even the wide receiver or the runningback's job. it is the QUARTERBACK'S job to lead the team, period

NONSENSE!!! It's EVERYBODYS job to lead them to where they wanna go? What makes you think that it's the QB's job to lead us there? Do you think the Right Guard, the Left Guard, or anyone else other than the QB is just supposed to sit back and let the QB show them the way? There may be an I in YOUR team, but there's no I in the Redskins, or any other team for that matter. To say that any ONE person leads them to the Super Bowl or not is ridiculous. What does the Kicker do, just sit on the bench without having to do ANYTHING?

no offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

i never said it's not a team sport.
i never said everything that's going wrong is brunell's fault-- FAR from it. the defense and the o-line are embarassing and i'd probably bench 70% of them if there was a choice. but there isn't. there is a choice at QB.

i'm sorry but it's a very simple fact: good QBs don't need everything around them to be perfect. mark brunell does. the end, nothing more to it.
100 yards passing is beyond any reasonable defense unless your offensive line is Oakland-bad, and ours isn't. you know this, please stop trying to invent absurdly implausible ways to defend another ONE-HUNDRED YARD PASSING game.

as i said before, every single other QB in the league would've thrown for more yards against the giants today if they played for us. every last one.

No offense taken, and I hope you don't take offense either, but you know absolutely NOTHING about the modern day NFL!!!

The QB is something where there's a choice, and yet the O-lineman there's not? The coaching staff are the ones that choose who's on the roster, so yes, there IS a choice. And, what choice does he have at QB? Are you saying that Campbell can lead us to the Super Bowl? Give us some evidence that you have to show he can lead us to the Super Bowl?

How many big games has Campbell brought the Redskins to in the past? Any other NFL team that he brought to a Super Bowl?

How do you know any other QB would have thrown for 100 yards? Are you a fortune teller or something? No disrespect, cuz I'm sure you really ARE a Redskins fan, but you talk more garbage than anyone else I know on this site. You really show your age when you post here!!!

die cowboys die wrote:i'm sorry but it's a very simple fact: good QBs don't need everything around them to be perfect.

So I guess since Dan Marino never took the Dolphins to a Super Bowl and won it was all his fault? He was one of the games greatest QBs..... but he couldn't do it all on his own. There is a reason that there is no "I" in T E A M.

It's not Brunell's fault we lost today, it's not his fault everytime we lose. He has good and bad days just like anyone else, but our losses this year cannot be blamed on him.