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Irn-Bru wrote:

roybus14 wrote:You know, maybe that's the problem. This team has bought into not taking personal responsibility for anything.

This is not true. . .unless you're doing reporting from inside the locker room, in which case I humbly withdraw my claim.

You got the HC standing up game after game talking about "we fought hard", "we're in this together", "it's our fault as coaches and we have to do a better job"....

Come on Joe, call it like it is:

Our offensive line needs to play alot better and I will work with Joe (bugel) and his staff to get them better; they need to provide our QBs with better protection and open up bigger holes for our backs to run through;

. . .and it goes on. Yes, Gibbs could do this, and hang out the Redskins laundry for the media, but how does this get the Skins closer to winning? In fact, he avoids getting specific with the media because he's the kind of coach that will give 100% support and backing to his players come press-conference time and will give his players an earful all week to make sure they are prepared.

Regardless of what your personal opinions are on Brunell, I've never understood how Gibbs' support of Brunell in press conferences is somehow bad for the team.

I hear ya but I am not asking Gibbs to air any dirty laundry or specifically call out individual players. All I am saying is that if the O-Line can't protect the QB, say the O-Line needs to do a better job of protecting him. I am not asking him to say Jansen missed a block or Samuels got beat all day.

All I am saying is call it what it is and stop protecting these guys who by the way, make millions and the last time I checked, were adults and not kids.... If Joe Gibbs is going to keep throwing himself under the bus because the players on the field can't "man-up", then he might as well quit. He has done this over and over again covering for these guys with the "we fought hard" and "we are together" stuff and look at how they are repaying him. A lousy pre-season and two games without a pulse... Let's not talk about last season because that was over six months ago...

And if the THN crew are the only one's with reliable info., then put it out there so that people don't have to speculate and post stuff that later get's rebutted by the THN crew.

roybus14 wrote:All I am saying is call it what it is and stop protecting these guys who by the way, make millions and the last time I checked, were adults and not kids.

Trust me, Gibbs isn't holding anyone's hand behind the scenes. There's a difference between protecting your players from the media and protecting your players from reality.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

roybus14 wrote:All I am saying is call it what it is and stop protecting these guys who by the way, make millions and the last time I checked, were adults and not kids.

Trust me, Gibbs isn't holding anyone's hand behind the scenes. There's a difference between protecting your players from the media and protecting your players from reality.

Okay, so in the immortal words of SS I, "we need to coach'em up". We will see how much is going on behind the scenes this week. If this team commits the amount of penalties this Sunday as it did Monday night, then there is no control at Redskins Park. If there is one thing that I do know about Joe Gibbs, he doesn't tolerate that stuff. They've had penalty problems in the past and it was corrected immediately the next week. If it is not the case this case, he's lost control.....

Um, how in the world would a series of mistakes next week indicate, in any fashion, that Gibbs has lost control? Are you seriously suggesting that the revolution will be televised and will involve players purposefully getting penalized?

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

In one of the most short-sighted posts EVER on THN, dlc wrote:...Once Brunell uses "I" screwed up. "I" need to make the passes. "I" need to make some plays when we're in trouble, maybe "we" will do better...

....he obviously doesn't see the offense, let alone the team, as his responsibility. He'd rather diffuse it.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????!!!!!!!


Un-frickin'-believable.

Around this same time a year ago, Mark woulda been killed and taken to task if he had said something to the likes of "I made a great pass to Santana twice down themiddle of the field to win the game blah bla blah blah blah"!!!! He knew then that the TEAM goes before the player, and you win with the TEAM and you lose with the TEAM.

And NOW people want him to assume all the blame for the team's woes????

Face it, people....

THE TEAM PLAYED MIRACULOUSLY LAST YEAR AGAINST THE PUKES, AND THE TEAM PLAYED HORRIBLY VERSUS THOSE GUYS ON SUNDAY NIGHT. END OF STORY.

THE TEAM will make the adjustments necessary to win. If that means benching Brunell, you can be certain that it was a decision made in the best interest of the team, and not as a response to silly rants on message boards or talk radio calls phoned in from behind the steering wheel while stuck on the beltway.

I'm starting to wonder whether a lot of the whining is due to the fact that some FF players have had bad starts to their season, since they went all homer with their draft picks and all.

Did I just read that correctly? The team played miraculously last year? Are you kidding me? Our D played well and then we got two great passes from Brunell....the entire game. Thankfully, it was just enough and none too soon.

Champsturf wrote:Did I just read that correctly? The team played miraculously last year? Are you kidding me? Our D played well and then we got two great passes from Brunell....the entire game. Thankfully, it was just enough and none too soon.

My bad, I forgot how on those two key plays, Only Brunell and Moss lined up on offense against 11 defenders. How foolish of me to think ANYONE ELSE had any role in it.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

In one of the most short-sighted posts EVER on THN, dlc wrote:...Once Brunell uses "I" screwed up. "I" need to make the passes. "I" need to make some plays when we're in trouble, maybe "we" will do better...

....he obviously doesn't see the offense, let alone the team, as his responsibility. He'd rather diffuse it.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????!!!!!!!


Un-frickin'-believable.

Around this same time a year ago, Mark woulda been killed and taken to task if he had said something to the likes of "I made a great pass to Santana twice down themiddle of the field to win the game blah bla blah blah blah"!!!! He knew then that the TEAM goes before the player, and you win with the TEAM and you lose with the TEAM.

And NOW people want him to assume all the blame for the team's woes????

Face it, people....

THE TEAM PLAYED MIRACULOUSLY LAST YEAR AGAINST THE PUKES, AND THE TEAM PLAYED HORRIBLY VERSUS THOSE GUYS ON SUNDAY NIGHT. END OF STORY.

THE TEAM will make the adjustments necessary to win. If that means benching Brunell, you can be certain that it was a decision made in the best interest of the team, and not as a response to silly rants on message boards or talk radio calls phoned in from behind the steering wheel while stuck on the beltway.

I'm starting to wonder whether a lot of the whining is due to the fact that some FF players have had bad starts to their season, since they went all homer with their draft picks and all.

Why would I be kidding about that? Why is this silly?

I'm all pissy and whiny cause the Redskins are 0-2 and got stomped by the Cowboys, a game if it weren't for two 15-yard penalties and a 100-yard kickoff return, the offense would've been shutout. Who should I blame on the offense?

Santana Moss for not getting open?
Chris Samuels for being a terrible lineman?
Thomas for not making all his run blocks?
Betts for not being Clinton Portis?
Lloyd and Randel El for not being competent threats?

Or should I ignore the guy I think is responsible because he's a nice guy with a lot of integrity, and I feel sorry for him. He's a multi-millionaire athlete who has been to the Pro Bowl and has proven that he can play, just not anymore. I respect him for who he IS, and what he has DONE, not what he is DOING.

If Brunell took the blame, and shielded his teammates from the criticism, and took all the responsibility, even though only a portion was his, would this make the team weaker or stronger?

It is not fair, but that's what would have been best for the team, because it would've shown to them that their QB was calling himself out to play better next week and for the rest of the season. That's unselfish, and that's a team leader.

It might not be fair, but unselfishness is taking credit as a group, and blame as an individual.

BTW, my FF team is tops in two leagues. I skipped on CP, not because he's not a top 3 RB (no way did I believe LJ was a top 5 RB), but because I knew that Brunell would allow that safety to move up in the box.

BTW - I think weéve all been had by the author of this thread.

The answer to the title:

Whose to blame?

...is "Dan Snyder's".

It's his team.
It's his coaching staff.
It's his QB.

It's Dan Snyder's organization to blame for all the ill feelings this week.

Boo Danny!!!!!

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Did I just read that correctly? The team played miraculously last year? Are you kidding me? Our D played well and then we got two great passes from Brunell....the entire game. Thankfully, it was just enough and none too soon.

My bad, I forgot how on those two key plays, Only Brunell and Moss lined up on offense against 11 defenders. How foolish of me to think ANYONE ELSE had any role in it.

Just think, Brunell had no pressure. Everyone expected the game to be over and a interception would've been acceptable. Throwing those bombs took little guts what so ever (I admit the arm strength was there). On the other hand, Moss outrunning a prevent and running under the throws, TWICE, was phenomenal. But all for nothing, if the defense didn't step up and hold them to 13 points despite miserable offensive support till then.

Am I biased against Brunell? Yes, but with cause. I ADMIRED Brunell's play at Jacksonville, and I was ecstatic to see him come, although we definitely overpaid. He's lost that admiration by his play alone, nothing else.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:BTW - I think weéve all been had by the author of this thread.

The answer to the title:

Whose to blame?

...is "Dan Snyder's".

It's his team.
It's his coaching staff.
It's his QB.

It's Dan Snyder's organization to blame for all the ill feelings this week.

Boo Danny!!!!!

Actually, God created Dan Snyder. So it's God's fault.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:BTW - I think weéve all been had by the author of this thread.

The answer to the title:

Whose to blame?

...is "Dan Snyder's".

It's his team.
It's his coaching staff.
It's his QB.

It's Dan Snyder's organization to blame for all the ill feelings this week.

Boo Danny!!!!!

You and I agree for once. He took this playoff team, with the #2 offense (second to the Rams) and made it a struggle ever since. Speaking of fantasy football, when you have enough money, I guess you try it fo real. Too bad he isn't any good.

joebagadonuts wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:BTW - I think weéve all been had by the author of this thread.

The answer to the title:

Whose to blame?

...is "Dan Snyder's".

It's his team.
It's his coaching staff.
It's his QB.

It's Dan Snyder's organization to blame for all the ill feelings this week.

Boo Danny!!!!!

Actually, God created Dan Snyder.

Some people would beg to differ!

I certainly hope CLL is taking "notes" on this. I think we're not going to have to worry about room on the bus this year.

see ya!

SkinsJock wrote:I certainly hope CLL is taking "notes" on this. I think we're not going to have to worry about room on the bus this year.

see ya!

Im always a Skins fan good or bad, but a Skins fan with an opinion!!!

SkinsJock wrote:I certainly hope CLL is taking "notes" on this. I think we're not going to have to worry about room on the bus this year.

see ya!

The bus to where? Super Bowl?!? Maybe with Campbell, but the ol' noodle armed, chuck-it-into-the-3rd-row QB currently starting isn't going to get us there!

die cowboys die wrote:brunell is a turd.

Truer words were never written.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:BTW - I think weéve all been had by the author of this thread.

The answer to the title:

Whose to blame?

...is "Dan Snyder's".

It's his team.
It's his coaching staff.
It's his QB.

It's Dan Snyder's organization to blame for all the ill feelings this week.

Boo Danny!!!!!

I would agree with your first two reasons to blame Snyder, but no way the third. His QB is Jeff George. We all know what happened there. Brunell is Gibbs' hand picked first choice for QB. No one else to blame there.

Mursilis wrote:The bus to where? Super Bowl?!? Maybe with Campbell, but the ol' noodle armed, chuck-it-into-the-3rd-row QB currently starting isn't going to get us there!

I think you're giving Brunell too much credit. If he's aiming for the 3rd row he'll probably only make it to the first.

Seriously... I hate badmouthing Mark because I like the guy. He works his ass off and is a good vet to have on the team. He just needs to realize he's already played his best games and is a better mentor now than a starter.

I think you're giving Brunell too much credit. If he's aiming for the 3rd row he'll probably only make it to the first.

Seriously... I hate badmouthing Mark because I like the guy. He works his ass off and is a good vet to have on the team. He just needs to realize he's already played his best games and is a better mentor now than a starter.

No offense, but we already read this exact post 2 years ago (down to the 'can't make it to the stands' joke!). It'll be about as effective an argument for me now as it was then. . .

I Look at the Redskins and I wonder about Brunell. Why no running game. Teams do not fear the long ball stack the box stop the run and short pass and the Redskins are done. People are quick to point out look at Brunells stats hes doing real well. Here is my problem with that statistic are not always acurate or clear. If i throw you the ball 10 times and you are 1 yard away I have a 100 percent perfect throwing record. If you are 80 yards away and you get it 1 time out of 10 than I have a 10 percent throwing record. If i throw the ball 2 yards with no defender and you catch 10 balls I have a 100 percent completion rate. Place a defender in my path and now I complete 1 pass in 10 and now my passer rating at 10 percent. So when you ask yourself how does bruenell keep his stats up well easy. Throw the ball as short as possible to the open receiver. I realize that Al Saunders offense does work on yards after the catch. However teams have to respect the long ball. If they do not they will stack the box rush the Quater back and stop the run. Which is what has been happening. Who is at fault Brunell on the feild and Gibbs on the sidelines. I am a huge Gibbs fan but the Coach also also has to take the blame he picks the starters.

SkinsJock wrote:I certainly hope CLL is taking "notes" on this. I think we're not going to have to worry about room on the bus this year.

see ya!

The "Bench Brunell" bandwagon is getting crowded, but we'll make room for you!

Since we are last in the division I thought that after it was known we weren't coming back from the Indy game that Gibbs would put Collins or Campbell in there and yet he didn't. I wondered why and after thought I basically came to this conclusion. Gibbs would look like the biggest idiot, I mean imagine if either QB comes in and has success, what would that do to all the Gibbs walks on water followers? I think that with all these people here on this board isn't someone a eye doctor that can go and park out at Redskins Park and give Gibbs a eye exam? Evidently his glasses no longer work and whatever film he is watching is beyond me. How can a HOF coach not see what is so evident to everyone else? This is starting to really worry me either Gibbs refusal to do what must be done, or Gibbs simply needing to step down and walk away with some amount of credibility, because as it goes his press conferences are ridiculous and personally he is starting to really make me sick.

Redskin Newb wrote:I Look at the Redskins and I wonder about Brunell. Why no running game. Teams do not fear the long ball stack the box stop the run and short pass and the Redskins are done. People are quick to point out look at Brunells stats hes doing real well. Here is my problem with that statistic are not always acurate or clear. If i throw you the ball 10 times and you are 1 yard away I have a 100 percent perfect throwing record. If you are 80 yards away and you get it 1 time out of 10 than I have a 10 percent throwing record. If i throw the ball 2 yards with no defender and you catch 10 balls I have a 100 percent completion rate. Place a defender in my path and now I complete 1 pass in 10 and now my passer rating at 10 percent. So when you ask yourself how does bruenell keep his stats up well easy. Throw the ball as short as possible to the open receiver. I realize that Al Saunders offense does work on yards after the catch. However teams have to respect the long ball. If they do not they will stack the box rush the Quater back and stop the run. Which is what has been happening. Who is at fault Brunell on the feild and Gibbs on the sidelines. I am a huge Gibbs fan but the Coach also also has to take the blame he picks the starters.

He doesn't run the offense so why does he get to say who starts? Isn't that like Gibbs telling Tony Stewart how to drive his stockcar? Gibbs is the one with his head so far up Brunells butt that when Brunell passes gas Gibbs gets high........ Too bad as arrogant as Dale Lindsey and Greg Williams is on talking about LaVar they aren't arrogant enough to go to Gibbs and tell them that this team won't do crap until he benches this sorry excuse for a QB.

So, we're now living in this world where Al Saunders has actually approached Joe Gibbs, and said: "I want Campbell as my quarterback". Gibbs replied with a firm "up yours Al". We know that this conversation has actually taken place, of course.

Then again, perhaps we're living in a world where Al Saunders (who has been rumoured to have a sizeable ego) thinks that Campbell is the better quarterback, but he's too scared to suggest it to Gibbs, because he doesn't think that Gibbs will listen to him, despite tha fact that Gibbs was the one who lobbied for Mr Saunders to be brought to Washington.

Maybe, just maybe, we're living in a world where Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs both think that Brunell is the best quaterback for the time being.

I'm just saying - which of those worlds are we living in?

All of which is moot, of course, because I doubt there's a club in the league where somebody other than the head coach decides who is the QB (except perhaps in Raider Land).

I remember the good wrote:Since we are last in the division I thought that after it was known we weren't coming back from the Indy game that Gibbs would put Collins or Campbell in there and yet he didn't. I wondered why and after thought I basically came to this conclusion. Gibbs would look like the biggest idiot, I mean imagine if either QB comes in and has success, what would that do to all the Gibbs walks on water followers? I think that with all these people here on this board isn't someone a eye doctor that can go and park out at Redskins Park and give Gibbs a eye exam? Evidently his glasses no longer work and whatever film he is watching is beyond me. How can a HOF coach not see what is so evident to everyone else? This is starting to really worry me either Gibbs refusal to do what must be done, or Gibbs simply needing to step down and walk away with some amount of credibility, because as it goes his press conferences are ridiculous and personally he is starting to really make me sick.

I don't know how old you are, but Gibbs was regularly critized for being slow to change QBs through is first stint. He kept waiting to start his latest highly touted young QB despite the calls of the fans to do so. He was too conservative. Sound familiar? Yet he won 3 Superbowls and the one correct thing here is that he's a "HOF coach."

And you think he's insecure to change QBs because if they do well he'll look bad? He makes you sick? His press conferences are ridiculus? Your post is ridiculus. What is up with this Gibbs bashing? We have won 3 Superbowls in our history and he was coach for EVERY ONE!!!!!!

I have no issue at all with disagreeing with him, but I don't see how any true Redskin fan would just personally bash him like this.

I've been on the JC bandwagon because I think we are not going to the playoffs and I think Brunell is on the permanent downslope of age and just isn't our solution anymore. But maybe I need to listen better to the HOF coach who has won 3 superbowls if his opposition is just so mean spirited.

And if you reply to this post, please quote correctly my point is I am not against disagreeing with Gibbs, I am against personally bashing him.