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Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:30 pm**

Ramsey should have been the starter last year. Gibbs play-calling stunk for Ramsey and Brunell is one of the worst Redskins' QB's of all time. I don't care if he's a heck of a nice guy... he's no better than Tony Banks.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:33 pm**

air_hog wrote:I'm not trying to hide Ramsey's bad stats like his fumbles, I was just trying to show his yardage and his style of play compared to Brunells.

Now I am all for the team and if Coach Gibbs feels Brunell gives us a better chance to win, then I respect his feeling.

It's just that after watching Ramsey and Brunell yesterday, Ramsey showed signs of a winning attitude and big play ability, while Brunell reminded me of the leauges 3rd worst offense that he ran last year.

Now sure Brunell was hurt last year, but after watching him play yesterday in Regular Season game status, he still looked like that wimp from last year who could not hit his WR 10 yards down field.

I just think Brunell is too conservative to win, and sure you can say it is because he was running the plays he was given, and if that's the case, then I like the Ramsey and his plays because with those crappy 2 yard hitch plays I don't think we will go anywhere.

But hey, maybe Mark will prove me wrong, or maybe he won't. We'll just have to see what happens on Monday.

What difference does it make if you complete a 25 yard pass if you fumble or thrown an interception just as often. Your argument would be stronger if Ramsey was not so mistake prone.

Point is, football is a game of field position, and intelligence. IF you continue giving the other team a short field and opportunities, then you will LOSE games.

Ramsey has been our QB for 3 years, and all we have done is made excuses for him. Meanwhile guys like David Carr have gotten better and better each year. Ramsey is at a mental standstill.

Campbell will be our guy in a few years, so the thought is to win now. We don't have time to continue sitting on Ramsey waiting for him to hatch into a QB.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:34 pm**

ArizonaHOG wrote:
AZHog wrote:Brunell is far from perfect.

I'm maintaining that something happened in the locker room at half-time following the injury. It must have been pretty big.

Interesting thought. I was just wondering what the locker room is like today after the QB change was made official. Is this a change that the players buy into? If so, then it needed to be made. I can't help but feel like our season may spin out of control if they players don't buy it. Then again, after we beat the cryboys next monday all will be well in the redskins' land.

with Mark I won't throw more than 10 yards Brunell? I just don't see it. Please let me be wrong, but I just don't [-o<

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:36 pm**

The Hogster wrote:Ramsey has been our QB for 3 years, and all we have done is made excuses for him. Meanwhile guys like David Carr have gotten better and better each year. Ramsey is at a mental standstill.

Again, we saw from Brunell last year as well. That guy sucked horribly...TRULY horribly. But yeah, Maybe Gibbs has decided that Ramsey is dumb as doornails. Again, he should have unloaded him in the offseason. This move just completely lacks class unless Ramsey went ballistic at halftime or something.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:40 pm**

The Hogster wrote:
air_hog wrote:I'm not trying to hide Ramsey's bad stats like his fumbles, I was just trying to show his yardage and his style of play compared to Brunells.

Now I am all for the team and if Coach Gibbs feels Brunell gives us a better chance to win, then I respect his feeling.

It's just that after watching Ramsey and Brunell yesterday, Ramsey showed signs of a winning attitude and big play ability, while Brunell reminded me of the leauges 3rd worst offense that he ran last year.

Now sure Brunell was hurt last year, but after watching him play yesterday in Regular Season game status, he still looked like that wimp from last year who could not hit his WR 10 yards down field.

I just think Brunell is too conservative to win, and sure you can say it is because he was running the plays he was given, and if that's the case, then I like the Ramsey and his plays because with those crappy 2 yard hitch plays I don't think we will go anywhere.

But hey, maybe Mark will prove me wrong, or maybe he won't. We'll just have to see what happens on Monday.

What difference does it make if you complete a 25 yard pass if you fumble or thrown an interception just as often. Your argument would be stronger if Ramsey was not so mistake prone.

Point is, football is a game of field position, and intelligence. IF you continue giving the other team a short field and opportunities, then you will LOSE games.

Ramsey has been our QB for 3 years, and all we have done is made excuses for him. Meanwhile guys like David Carr have gotten better and better each year. Ramsey is at a mental standstill.

Campbell will be our guy in a few years, so the thought is to win now. We don't have time to continue sitting on Ramsey waiting for him to hatch into a QB.

really not trying to pick on you Hogster, but David Carr? Your joking? You see his statline from yesterdays game?

9/21 70 yards with 0 TDs, 3 ints and he was sacked 5 times for 45 yards. You can argue that Ramsey is not performing, but he's certainly as good as David Carr is...

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:43 pm**

skinsfan#33 wrote:The season is over!!!!

Now what happens if Brunell gets hurt? We end up with Campbell as the starting QB. He is a year or three away from being ready to play!
I hope Denver enjoys the #1 draft choice next year!

you never know, this could be a blessing in disguise. T. Bradshaw for one thinks Campbell should start in his fox sports colum. Im not sure i agree with him, but one thing i do know... the season is not over yet. Cmon' man, we're 1-0, have a strong D, a good running game. All we need is someone to "MANAGE" the game, not throw for 300 yards and 3 TD's every week.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:52 pm**

Gibbs left Antonio Brown out there - seems patient enough with him. No, this was a horrible move. Brunell just plain sucks... but he's a really nice person. He's no Jeff George - except for the sucking at QB thing - they're nothing alike. I'm as big a homer on Gibbs as there is in the Redskin Nation - but the man never gave Ramsey a fair shot and should have traded him to get picks in April since he didn't plan on giving him a real opportunity.

IF the Redskins win, it will be because of defensive turnovers, Portis running wild and better play-calling on Gibbs part. Ramsey should have been rolled out - right and left. Why only Brunell?

Gibbs is wrong on this one and I'm certain of it. This is a huge mistake, a mistake that will cost us the game against the Cowboys; a solid QB with years of upside; a Hall of Fame Coach and maybe a few assistant coaches by year end... and I'd tell it to the Coach's face - and then tell him I still love him and Thanks for everything he'd done in the past.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:54 pm**

No... Antonio lost his job as well!

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:56 pm**

We don't need a Mark Brunnell in his prime. We need a solid QB. SOlid, not perfect.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:15 pm**

At the age of 35 Brunell isn't all of a sudden going to turn things around and start playing the way he did in his prime.

Plenty of QB's have resurrected themselves at Brunell's age:

1. Warren Moon (Min)
2. Fran Tarkenton (Min)
3. Rich Gannon (Oak)
4. Vinny Testaverde (NYJ & Dal)
5. Randall Cunningham (Min)

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:16 pm**

Truly, Ramsey is "D for Done" as far as being a redskin is concerned. He's rightly asking for a trade. Gibbs lied to him by telling him he was the starter, and has publically made clear that he has NO CONFIDENCE in him whatsoever.

Bottom line, Ramsey would be a bad backup as he may poisen the locker room now. He has to go.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:18 pm**

JPFair wrote:
Quote:
My guess is that if Brunell is ineffective, he goes to Ramsey.

What do you mean "if"?? When has Brunell been anything other than ineffective?? Last year he had a completion percentage that was below 50% and had a qb rating of 63.9. So far this year he's managed to throw for a lowly 70 yards in 3 quarters of play. Last year he also manged to average only 5 yards a throw

I'm not quite sure I understand your question. When you say "What do you mean "if"??" it almost sounds as if you know what Brunells numbers are going to be for the rest of the season. Also, when you ask "When has Brunell been anything other than ineffective" it almost sounds like you don't realize he went to the pro-bowl not too long ago, and led the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game. Granted, that was in the past, so you can't use that to his favor now. Oh, but wait a minute: So was his performance last year. Hmmm. So, please explain a little more, cuz you have me confused when you say "What do you mean "if"" Brunell is ineffective. It's almost as if you can tell me EXACTLY what Brunell is going to do in terms of running the offense. Damn, you're good. You should go to a bookie and ask for some odds on what Brunells numbers would be, cuz you have the inside track on what he's going to do.

What he is saying by "if" is it is a forgone conclusion that Brunell WILL PLAY POORLY. He did last season, and the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that, AND DESPITE BRUNELL POOR PERFORMANCE YESTERDAY THE SKINS STILL WON!. He threw a pick (a ball that was under thrown by 10 yards but called back on an questionable pass interference), and underthrew guys and had three completions in a row for a total of 11 yards, Eleven freaking yards!. Ramsey played for the 1/3 of the time and passed for more 26 more yard than Brunell.

Have you forgotten last year?

By the way Brunell Made his last pro-bowl in 1999 and Jax made made it to the AFC Championship in 1999 (back when gas was less then a dollar a gallon)!

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:19 pm**

- and there's nothing wrong in realizing when it's over. You nailed it - D for done in DC. Ramsey should be traded. In fact, he should have been traded in April before the draft - not after we've exhausted almost all his trade value. Could have been worse, Gibbs could have named be starting QB I guess.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:27 pm**

I hope Ramsey finds a team that will treat him well. The poor kid just doesn't deserve this.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:27 pm**

I have little doubt that Brunell will stink it up against the d-men as well. Too bad too - it's not "if" it's "when" Brunell will stink.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:30 pm**

Scooter wrote:I have little doubt that Brunell will stink it up against the d-men as well. Too bad too - it's not "if" it's "when" Brunell will stink.

Alright dude, we got your freakin' point. You don't have to post basically the same thing 30 times over and over in multiple threads.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:36 pm**

THE RAM wrote:http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=10258

Gibbs says he wants to establish someone at QB, how can Brunell establsh at QB after throwing for 70 yards in 3 quarters, I had my doubts that Gibbs didn´t like Ramsey but now after looking at this it´s more than obvious that he doesn´t believe in him at all, just one quart5er and he is done, WOW, great job coach, way to put confidence in your players, expect noting more than the same exact season as last year.

DAMN GIBBS

This past year and a half with Gibbs has been one bad move after another. This takes the cake thus far.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:39 pm**

ramsey sucks

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:41 pm**

I have little doubt that Brunell will stink it up against the d-men as well. Too bad too - it's not "if" it's "when" Brunell will stink.

I'm going to keep this thread in my "favorites" just for future resurrection. I can't wait!! I think I'll wait until week 10, and then re-post in this thread.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:43 pm**

What he is saying by "if" is it is a forgone conclusion that Brunell WILL PLAY POORLY.

Really? WOW!!! Are you saying that this guy can predict what's going to happen in the future? Can he tell me who's going to win the 5th at Suffolk Downs on Monday? Tell him to call me so he can give me the numbers for the Tri-State Powerball. I want in on this guys action!

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:53 pm**

JPFair wrote:
I have little doubt that Brunell will stink it up against the d-men as well. Too bad too - it's not "if" it's "when" Brunell will stink.

I'm going to keep this thread in my "favorites" just for future resurrection. I can't wait!! I think I'll wait until week 10, and then re-post in this thread.

What, when the Skins are 3 & 6!

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:55 pm**

box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

105 yards
1 td called back
1 int

all in a quarter

You gave him a lot of time to "light them up"

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:56 pm**

JPFair wrote:
I have little doubt that Brunell will stink it up against the d-men as well. Too bad too - it's not "if" it's "when" Brunell will stink.

I'm going to keep this thread in my "favorites" just for future resurrection. I can't wait!! I think I'll wait until week 10, and then re-post in this thread.

I'm neutral for now.I will say this much.I do not like people that do not hold true to there word.I don't care if it's in sports or a buisness but being a liar, is not a good rap.What are the guys on the team to think of someone that can't hold true to there word.I think that there is nothing wrong with the fans being upset right now.I think that they have the right to be upset.I hope brunell does play well.I know brunell has a big heart and feels bad for ramsey.The whole thing is no way brunells fault.Joe gibbs is going to be the one to have to answer to the whole world if this move does not pan out.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:59 pm**

SkinsLaVar wrote:ramsey sucks

please, he threw for more yards in a quarter than Brunell will in the next 2 weeks, we are still the laughing stock. Bad decisions put us there.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:04 pm**

what do yards mean if you're gonna throw it away with an interception?

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