Possible QB options for 2019?

[riggofan]

That's why part of me keeps thinking they should address other needs in this draft and worry about a QB in the next one. You're not going to get Nick Saban to leave Alabama by telling him he has to use your QB to develop his offense. You're going to get a guy no other team would give a shot. Every time the Skins do that disaster strikes.

It just depends on the QB. McVay didn't go to L.A. and get to draft his starting quarterback. The Rams had a highly drafted, underperforming first round pick in place for him already.

Gotta bite the bullet and draft a QB sooner or later. I do agree with your larger point though that if there's not a guy that they really believe in, then load up this draft on edge rusher, TE, WR and guard early and shore up those positions ahead of 2020.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

That's why part of me keeps thinking they should address other needs in this draft and worry about a QB in the next one. You're not going to get Nick Saban to leave Alabama by telling him he has to use your QB to develop his offense. You're going to get a guy no other team would give a shot. Every time the Skins do that disaster strikes.

It just depends on the QB. McVay didn't go to L.A. and get to draft his starting quarterback. The Rams had a highly drafted, underperforming first round pick in place for him already.

Gotta bite the bullet and draft a QB sooner or later. I do agree with your larger point though that if there's not a guy that they really believe in, then load up this draft on edge rusher, TE, WR and guard early and shore up those positions ahead of 2020.

The Rams also had a bit of talent elsewhere and a number of good draft picks. That was a better situation into which to step than would be the 2020 Washington Redskins. The Redskins also haven't drafted a "franchise" QB since Sammy Baugh. The best QBs they've ever had (aside from Baugh) all came by trade. That part of me says they should make the trade. Being a fan of this team is frustrating. The "right" move is never obvious.

[riggofan]

The Rams also had a bit of talent elsewhere and a number of good draft picks. That was a better situation into which to step than would be the 2020 Washington Redskins. The Redskins also haven't drafted a "franchise" QB since Sammy Baugh. The best QBs they've ever had (aside from Baugh) all came by trade. That part of me says they should make the trade.

All true, no doubt. Just saying having a good young QB in place doesn't have to be a negative if a new coach is coming in soon.

Being a fan of this team is frustrating. The "right" move is never obvious.

Not to mention they have a real talent for turning the right move into a an epic disaster.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

All true, no doubt. Just saying having a good young QB in place doesn't have to be a negative if a new coach is coming in soon.

Not to mention they have a real talent for turning the right move into a an epic disaster.

Yea, I'm just not justifying in my head bringing in a guy to learn a 2nd system this season and a 3rd system next season. I think it will screw him up. You can't develop a QB by changing the system on him every year. But the same thing could happen to any other QB, Gruden's system this season and someone else's system next season. One thing that would go a long way toward not turning the right moves into an epic disaster would be for certain people to stay out of those decisions. If nothing else they should know now to leave the QB evaluations to people who have played the position.

[El Mexican]

The Redskins also haven't drafted a "franchise" QB since Sammy Baugh. The best QBs they've ever had (aside from Baugh) all came by trade.

They certainly tried...and failed:

Shuler
Ramsey
JC
RGIII

[Sonny9TD]

After watching tape i have come to a conclusion on which QB we should get. Josh Rosen would be great but of all the other QBs in the draft one is heads and shoulders above the rest I would be fine in trading up to get him . Drew Lock. Drew Lock has an incredible arm. He can throw a 35 yard out with smoking zip on it. I mean following the same path from throw to catch. No rainbow. He can scramble and throw too. I want lLock or Rosen or wait until next year. Lock is a rare talent. I watched all his tape and I'm sold. Forget Haskins and Jones. Big mistake if we take one of them. Lock is a Lock. If not Lock then Rosen or get Burns Hockenson or Jonah Williams with the 15th pick and roll with Colt McCoy.

If Will Grier had a better arm i would be all for getting him. He has everything you need except strength of arm. He would work if you had incredible route runners and Offensive Line and a running game. Lock can throw his way out of trouble no matter what. This is sort of a stretch but a Drew Lock arm on Will Grier would be a must have. Drew Lock is close to will Grier with accuracy and intangibles. But Drew Lock is the best QB we can hope to get next to Rosen. Or maybe even better than Rosen. It's a toss up.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

After watching tape i have come to a conclusion on which QB we should get. Josh Rosen would be great but of all the other QBs in the draft one is heads and shoulders above the rest I would be fine in trading up to get him . Drew Lock. Drew Lock has an incredible arm. He can throw a 35 yard out with smoking zip on it. I mean following the same path from throw to catch. No rainbow. He can scramble and throw too. I want lLock or Rosen or wait until next year. Lock is a rare talent. I watched all his tape and I'm sold. Forget Haskins and Jones. Big mistake if we take one of them. Lock is a Lock. If not Lock then Rosen or get Burns Hockenson or Jonah Williams with the 15th pick and roll with Colt McCoy.

If Will Grier had a better arm i would be all for getting him. He has everything you need except strength of arm. He would work if you had incredible route runners and Offensive Line and a running game. Lock can throw his way out of trouble no matter what. This is sort of a stretch but a Drew Lock arm on Will Grier would be a must have. Drew Lock is close to will Grier with accuracy and intangibles. But Drew Lock is the best QB we can hope to get next to Rosen. Or maybe even better than Rosen. It's a toss up.

That's why I keep asking why they would trade for Rosen if Lock is still on the board. Lock has the only real NFL arm in this draft class.

[riggofan]

Yea, I'm just not justifying in my head bringing in a guy to learn a 2nd system this season and a 3rd system next season. I think it will screw him up. You can't develop a QB by changing the system on him every year.

Definitely. Doesn't it depend on what coach you brought in though? i.e. If (and I realize this is a huge IF) you brought in a defensive guy like Saban, isn't it possible that you could just keep your current OC? I mean, they just promoted Kevin O'Connell to offensive coordinator and moved Cavanaugh around to make it happen. Presumably because they wanted to keep one or both of those guys.

Again I hate to give them any potential credit for thinking ahead, but could be possible.

[Sonny9TD]

After watching tape i have come to a conclusion on which QB we should get. Josh Rosen would be great but of all the other QBs in the draft one is heads and shoulders above the rest I would be fine in trading up to get him . Drew Lock. Drew Lock has an incredible arm. He can throw a 35 yard out with smoking zip on it. I mean following the same path from throw to catch. No rainbow. He can scramble and throw too. I want lLock or Rosen or wait until next year. Lock is a rare talent. I watched all his tape and I'm sold. Forget Haskins and Jones. Big mistake if we take one of them. Lock is a Lock. If not Lock then Rosen or get Burns Hockenson or Jonah Williams with the 15th pick and roll with Colt McCoy.

If Will Grier had a better arm i would be all for getting him. He has everything you need except strength of arm. He would work if you had incredible route runners and Offensive Line and a running game. Lock can throw his way out of trouble no matter what. This is sort of a stretch but a Drew Lock arm on Will Grier would be a must have. Drew Lock is close to will Grier with accuracy and intangibles. But Drew Lock is the best QB we can hope to get next to Rosen. Or maybe even better than Rosen. It's a toss up.

That's why I keep asking why they would trade for Rosen if Lock is still on the board. Lock has the only real NFL arm in this draft class.

I'm pretty sure he isn't there at 15. We are going to have to trade up and get him. The Bengals or the Dolphins, Giants , or the Broncos are going to call his name first. If we want Lock we are going to have to trade up to the 9 spot to get him for sure. That's if the Giants don't get him at 6 or the Raiders at 4. Lock is definitely not getting past the Dolphins. We need to get to the 9 spot to make sure the Bengals don't get him first. But after it is all said and done if we want the best QB it's going to cost us a first rounder no matter what. Or keep half assing and get a QB later in the draft.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm pretty sure he isn't there at 15. We are going to have to trade up and get him. The Bengals or the Dolphins, Giants , or the Broncos are going to call his name first. If we want Lock we are going to have to trade up to the 9 spot to get him for sure. That's if the Giants don't get him at 6 or the Raiders at 4. Lock is definitely not getting past the Dolphins. We need to get to the 9 spot to make sure the Bengals don't get him first. But after it is all said and done if we want the best QB it's going to cost us a first rounder no matter what. Or keep half assing and get a QB later in the draft.

That's what I keep saying about DK Metcalf. No way he's there at #15. But someone has to slide. If I'm the Redskins I hold onto that #15 pick until I know who is on or off the board.

[SkinsJock]

Not to mention they have a real talent for turning the right move into a an epic disaster.

you got that right

the right move is to not make a trade ... for Josh Rosen OR trade up in the draft

so they'll probably make a trade and when it doesn't work out just point out that we would have done a lot better if (insert any number of excuses) had not happened

what a joke

[Sonny9TD]

Not to mention they have a real talent for turning the right move into a an epic disaster.

you got that right

the right move is to not make a trade ... for Josh Rosen OR trade up in the draft

so they'll probably make a trade and when it doesn't work out just point out that we would have done a lot better if (insert any number of excuses) had not happened

what a joke

Yea we can keep getting *sh$t* QBs as we struggle to score 17 points a game or we can make a trade and get a QB with some talent this century at some time. This group isn't good enough to find a gem of a QB late in the draft. Either do what it takes and make a trade or draft one early or keep this circus as it has been forever it seems

[SkinsJock]

let's not make things worse - we don't have wiz kids in control here so we just need to keep adding as many good players as we can and hope that we eventually get some people in here that can re-build this franchise - that is just not happening by continuing to do what we've been doing and making bad decisions

everyone agrees that we need a good QB but we might get one anyway at #15 and if we don't get one in this draft there's a really good chance we can get one in the next because we'll likely have a pretty high draft pick and we can bring in a good young QB and get him ready to play under the guidance of the new HC that we're most likely getting as well

thinking that we're just a good QB away from having a playoff team this season is the kind of thinking that got us in this mess in the first place

[riggofan]

thinking that we're just a good QB away from having a playoff team this season is the kind of thinking that got us in this mess in the first place

Your straw man arguments are so tiresome. Nobody is arguing that we're "just a good QB away from a playoff team this season".

The point you're trying to make here is even worse because we literally were a good QB away from the playoffs last year. In a weak ass NFC east last year, we had a legitimate shot at making the playoffs before Alex Smith's injury.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Your straw man arguments are so tiresome.

I approve of this message. It gets incredibly tiresome reading someone whose only "contribution" to the discussion is talking out his ass.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Scares me away most every thread tbh...


As I see it.. We can get Rosen, who with a better Oline and help from the running game has potential to be a stud. People already forgot about Guice... I cant wait to see him light the league on fire!!

OR pray to the gods that half the league (who finished wprse then us last year) passes on Lock or another qb who is = to or close to him.. And thats a BIG IF.
Trading up costs more then Rosen- so whats the point in that mess?

Idk, i kind of think we go after Rosen.. Be nice if we can give them our 1st and swap 2nds or something

[riggofan]

Your straw man arguments are so tiresome.

I approve of this message. It gets incredibly tiresome reading someone whose only "contribution" to the discussion is talking out his ass.

I don't know why I bother responding. I appreciate that he wants to talk Redskins, but he's starting to feel like one of those bot accounts on Twitter.

[riggofan]

Idk, i kind of think we go after Rosen.. Be nice if we can give them our 1st and swap 2nds or something

I still feel like something is happening there. There's a lot of posturing and signals out there right now. Kyler Murray cancelled his Ashburn visit the other day, good sign that AZ has told him he's going #1. The Skins have been telling the media they're not interested in Rosen. Great sign that they probably ARE. lol.

The Cardinals are trying to be sly about it, holding out as long as possible to get a 1st round pick out of the deal.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Idk, i kind of think we go after Rosen.. Be nice if we can give them our 1st and swap 2nds or something

I still feel like something is happening there. There's a lot of posturing and signals out there right now. Kyler Murray cancelled his Ashburn visit the other day, good sign that AZ has told him he's going #1. The Skins have been telling the media they're not interested in Rosen. Great sign that they probably ARE. lol.

The Cardinals are trying to be sly about it, holding out as long as possible to get a 1st round pick out of the deal.

Maybe the Redskins first plan is one of the QB prospects in the draft and their fallback option is Rosen. It's really hard to gauge Bruce Allen's draft strategy. As far as I can remember no one has ever accurately guessed along with his strategy.

[riggofan]

Maybe the Redskins first plan is one of the QB prospects in the draft and their fallback option is Rosen. It's really hard to gauge Bruce Allen's draft strategy. As far as I can remember no one has ever accurately guessed along with his strategy.

Would be surprising to see them wait that long but I wouldn't hate that plan. If nothing else, they'll be keeping things interesting!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Maybe the Redskins first plan is one of the QB prospects in the draft and their fallback option is Rosen. It's really hard to gauge Bruce Allen's draft strategy. As far as I can remember no one has ever accurately guessed along with his strategy.

Would be surprising to see them wait that long but I wouldn't hate that plan. If nothing else, they'll be keeping things interesting!

It would be very Redskins for the Redskins to be bidding against themselves on Josh Rosen. What is his actual market, as opposed to the one the media keeps telling us he has? I really don't see the Giants trading for him when they can draft anyone other than probably Kyler Murray, who, by the way, I think is a waste of a draft pick. Do the Patriots need a QB for when Brady retires? Sure, but the odds are very good that Belichick retires when Brady does so why does he give a crap who the QB is at that point? I'm just thinking out loud here but it seems like Rosen is the Redskins for the taking if they want him.

[El Mexican]

Actually, Allen's on record saying something like "getting the best talent independent of position need".

We've actually traded down, if I remember correctly?

Gone are the halcyon days of the Snyder-Vinny combo, even if their legacy lives forever

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Actually, Allen's on record saying something like "getting the best talent independent of position need".

We've actually traded down, if I remember correctly?

Gone are the halcyon days of the Snyder-Vinny combo, even if their legacy lives forever

Allen is also on record as being full of *sh$t*

[riggofan]

Allen is also on record as being full of *sh$t*

Its on his business card.

[riggofan]

We've actually traded down, if I remember correctly?

This wouldn't be the most surprising thing if the team was really hot to get a QB in the first round. I was reading some analysis the other day about how few QBs are drafted in the middle of the first round. They usually either go very high in the 1st or very late in the 1st. Won't completely bore you with the why but its kind of obvious when you think about it. When you get to #15 there's more than likely going to be a REALLY good player who slipped a bit. Gets harder for teams to reach for QBs then.

If the team could move back in the first, pick up a pick and still get a QB they liked, wouldn't be terrible.

Going to be an interesting draft for the team. With big needs at edge and WR, its would be hard to pass up if a truly elite player falls to them.