RGIII to 2nd String??

[SkinsJock]

^^ B&GF - You got that right - Cousins is better than Griffin - he's even better at losing games

totally agree with the way Cousins is being used - should be 30 passes a game MAX and nothing long - he cannot do that

just run the damn ball and have 30 timing passes a game - we might have a better chance this season and this kid is not here next season

wait until next year ....

[aswas71788]

Wow, what a difference a week makes. Before Thursdays game, there were lots of posters here that were predicting that the Redskin's could win the division. Now, the posters are fighting about which lousy quarterback is the best with blind logic to justify their choice. RGIII, Cousins or McCoy it doesn't matter. None of them are NFL quality starting quarterbacks. The back-up will always be the better quarterback, no matter who it is. Get used to it, we are stuck with 3 backs-ups thanks to Shanahan. Forget 2012, it is history and so is RGIII. Per the "experts" (I use that term jokingly.) there is not a quality quarterback in the coming years draft but you can bet that there will be at least 1 or 2 taken in the first 5 picks. Also, there is not a quality quarterback that will be available in free agency that will not cost more than RGIII did and have about the same talent level.

Get a grip people, the Redskins are what they are. A perennial loosing team that is again going through rebuilding with far to many less than capable players that get hyped by the media as being great. Expect a 6 - 8 finish this year, at best, and maybe an 8 - 8 next year. As a dedicated Redskins fan expect what we get and hope for better.

[SkinsJock]

Wow, what a difference a week makes. Before Thursdays game, there were lots of posters here that were predicting that the Redskin's could win the division. Now, the posters are fighting about which lousy quarterback is the best with blind logic to justify their choice. RGIII, Cousins or McCoy it doesn't matter. None of them are NFL quality starting quarterbacks. The back-up will always be the better quarterback, no matter who it is. Get used to it, we are stuck with 3 backs-ups thanks to Shanahan. Forget 2012, it is history and so is RGIII. Per the "experts" (I use that term jokingly.) there is not a quality quarterback in the coming years draft but you can bet that there will be at least 1 or 2 taken in the first 5 picks. Also, there is not a quality quarterback that will be available in free agency that will not cost more than RGIII did and have about the same talent level. Get a grip people, the Redskins are what they are. A perennial loosing team that is again going through rebuilding with far to many less than capable players that get hyped by the media as being great. Expect a 6 - 8 finish this year, at best, and maybe an 8 - 8 next year. As a dedicated Redskins fan expect what we get and hope for better.

sorry but I think you're mistaken - most of us were predicting 6 - 8 wins and many agreed it did not matter who the QB was - we all had differing ideas about which QB should start but only the dumb ones thought the team's win loss record would be any better with Cousins

this franchise is under-going a major rebuild that will take a year or so - the QB issue is important but not nearly as important as building an O line and defensive line and defensive secondary and improving the special teams play and ... well it's all happening and most of us are under no illusion about the current status of this franchise - we're not winning the division with any of these QBs playing the way they are now ...

now the QB play could improve but I doubt that QB is Cousins

[yupchagee]

why are we worrying about $16M - it's chump change when the franchise is at $2.85B & growing - Griffin might not be our QB of the future - Kissing Cousins certainly is not - I could care less who plays QB here & I'm not at all worried about the cost - I just want better play from the QB

Because it would put us in cap hell?

[aswas71788]

Skinsjock, I agree with what you say for the most part. I think the O-line is improved but will take a year to get together. Defensive line is better but the defensive backfield is still a major burden. They o-line didn't look good against the Giants but did look better in the first two games. As you say, the team is in a major rebuilding and will take time. Unfortunately I believe that Gruden is not going to be the HC very long which will drag out the improvements. He has done some good but has also done some bad. I am not sure that Snyder has enough patience to let him continue past his contract, if that long. Another new HC and another new program.

[EA7649]

Unfortunately I believe that Gruden is not going to be the HC very long which will drag out the improvements. He has done some good but has also done some bad. I am not sure that Snyder has enough patience to let him continue past his contract, if that long. Another new HC and another new program.

The sad thing is what quality HC will be out there willing to enter this fiasco! I pray for the best

[DEHog]

Unfortunately I believe that Gruden is not going to be the HC very long which will drag out the improvements. He has done some good but has also done some bad. I am not sure that Snyder has enough patience to let him continue past his contract, if that long. Another new HC and another new program.

The sad thing is what quality HC will be out there willing to enter this fiasco! I pray for the best

May already be with the team.
#Callahan

[welch]

Unfortunately I believe that Gruden is not going to be the HC very long which will drag out the improvements. He has done some good but has also done some bad. I am not sure that Snyder has enough patience to let him continue past his contract, if that long. Another new HC and another new program.

The sad thing is what quality HC will be out there willing to enter this fiasco! I pray for the best

May already be with the team.
#Callahan

Where is Russ Grimm? I admit that I'm partial to old Redskins, especially those who played in the Joe Gibbs era: Mark Murphy (President and CEO of the Packers), Todd Bowles (HC, Jets), Martin Mayhew (GM, Lions).

[DEHog]

The sad thing is what quality HC will be out there willing to enter this fiasco! I pray for
Where is Russ Grimm? I admit that I'm partial to old Redskins, especially those who played in the Joe Gibbs era: Mark Murphy (President and CEO of the Packers), Todd Bowles (HC, Jets), Martin Mayhew (GM, Lions).

Russ is retired in PHX..although he was in town this past weekend...Yes Bowles should have been our HC!!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Where is Russ Grimm? I admit that I'm partial to old Redskins, especially those who played in the Joe Gibbs era: Mark Murphy (President and CEO of the Packers), Todd Bowles (HC, Jets), Martin Mayhew (GM, Lions).

Why would the Redskins hire a former Redskin who has three Super Bowl rings with the organization and was in serious consideration for a head coaching position with Pittsburgh? That would make sense, and Dan Snyder never does anything that makes sense.

[DEHog]

Where is Russ Grimm? I admit that I'm partial to old Redskins, especially those who played in the Joe Gibbs era: Mark Murphy (President and CEO of the Packers), Todd Bowles (HC, Jets), Martin Mayhew (GM, Lions).

Why would the Redskins hire a former Redskin who has three Super Bowl rings with the organization and was in serious consideration for a head coaching position with Pittsburgh? That would make sense, and Dan Snyder never does anything that makes sense.

I'm shocked Russ is not coaching somewhere as a Asst, coach...I thought they might hire him in Tenn. when Wis got the job? Makes me think he doesn't want to coach? I know Jacoby is coaching in college,

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Where is Russ Grimm? I admit that I'm partial to old Redskins, especially those who played in the Joe Gibbs era: Mark Murphy (President and CEO of the Packers), Todd Bowles (HC, Jets), Martin Mayhew (GM, Lions).

Why would the Redskins hire a former Redskin who has three Super Bowl rings with the organization and was in serious consideration for a head coaching position with Pittsburgh? That would make sense, and Dan Snyder never does anything that makes sense.

I'm shocked Russ is not coaching somewhere as a Asst, coach...I thought they might hire him in Tenn. when Wis got the job? Makes me think he doesn't want to coach? I know Jacoby is coaching in college,

I love Big Jake but I wouldn't put him in the same league with Russ as head coaching material. I still remember Jacoby struggling to read the cue cards for a big screen TV commercial back in the mid 1980's.

[markshark84]

I'm all for Cousins playing QB for as many games as it takes for the Cousins lovers to realize that dog don't hunt

Cousins is not a starting QB

How long do you anticipate that taking? RGIII played 21 games post-2012 with a worse QBR than Counsins currently has and the RGIII apologists are still believers...... Based on that history, Cousins could be playing well into next year similarly to what he's doing now and the Cousins apologists may still be saying he can turn the corner......

[markshark84]

What makes ANYONE think Kirk CAN "read" a D? Like when he hits the wide open MLB?? OR when he misses Reed running free multiple times a game?

Done.

Wow. Since you are so OBJECTIVE, I thought you'd be on here saying that the 2nd INT was tipped and the MLB INT was a disquised coverage or something....... Or that much of the 316 yards he passed for against NYG wasn't in garbage time but in fact the game was close and not out of reach......

I'm surprised that you are done with Cousins after 2 bad games while you want to give RGIII 3 seasons......

Cousins honestly has issues reading a DEF, no question. He is a game manager at best. He has a weak arm (which to anyone that understands the game isn't weak enough to be an issue). He is bad after a third progression read. He is wildly inconsistent. There is more, but I think you get the drift.

At the end of the day, he doesn't appear to be our answer at QB moving forward (although it may be wise to give him 8 game before we determine that) ---- but he is our BEST option on the current roster.

I understand your agenda, but putting down Cousins doesn't make RGIII any better than his 40.4 QBR post-2012.

[DEHog]

So Colt sat out of today's practice and RG took 2nd team reps??

[StorminMormon86]

I'm all for Cousins playing QB for as many games as it takes for the Cousins lovers to realize that dog don't hunt

Cousins is not a starting QB

How long do you anticipate that taking? RGIII played 21 games post-2012 with a worse QBR than Counsins currently has and the RGIII apologists are still believers...... Based on that history, Cousins could be playing well into next year similarly to what he's doing now and the Cousins apologists may still be saying he can turn the corner......

If being a "Cousins apologist" means not ready to bench the guy after week 3 with a 1-2 record, during his first year as the starter, then I guess that makes me one.

[riggofan]

If being a "Cousins apologist" means not ready to bench the guy after week 3 with a 1-2 record, during his first year as the starter, then I guess that makes me one.

There's a sad contingent of fans out there willfully hoping for Cousins to fail just to be proven right about their opinions. I don't really get it. I just want to win.

Btw some of those people constantly talk about how its going to take a few years for our o-line to gel. Weird that we don't have the same expectation for developing a quarterback.

[markshark84]

If being a "Cousins apologist" means not ready to bench the guy after week 3 with a 1-2 record, during his first year as the starter, then I guess that makes me one.

There's a sad contingent of fans out there willfully hoping for Cousins to fail just to be proven right about their opinions.

Agree. They are also holding Cousins to different standards while critizing him for some of the same deficiencies in RGIII's game.

[SkinsJock]

Let me be clear - I really want Cousins to be a better QB and I think he's the better option right now - I just don't think he's going to prove to be a starting QB is all - Griffin may not make it either but IMO Cousins is better for the offense AT THIS TIME ...

I think that the pressure will mount and despite the reality that he's the better QB for this offense AT THIS TIME, I don't think that Cousins will handle adversity very well at all - we shall soon see


now we find out the real reason why the RG3 haters wanted him out of here - some of you guys are worse than fair weather fans

[StorminMormon86]

Let me be clear - I really want Cousins to be a better QB and I think he's the better option right now - I just don't think he's going to prove to be a starting QB is all - Griffin may not make it either but IMO Cousins is better for the offense AT THIS TIME ...

I think that the pressure will mount and despite the reality that he's the better QB for this offense AT THIS TIME, I don't think that Cousins will handle adversity very well at all - we shall soon see


now we find out the real reason why the RG3 haters wanted him out of here - some of you guys are worse than fair weather fans

What are you talking about?

The reality is that he's the better QB for the offense at this time is correct. And that's because McCoy is a backup, no question. And Griffin is just awful. Keim said it best: "Under Gruden, Griffin has spent more time as the No. 1 quarterback than anyone else; that includes the offseason because those practices are analyzed down to the minutia as well. The coaches know exactly what he can, and can’t, do and where he has, or hasn’t, improved. If Griffin had shown the improvement they wanted and needed, he’d still have the job regardless of Cousins’ strides. The mistake was in not having an open competition in the first place. You can argue about Gruden’s ability as a head coach, but his opinion thus far – on Griffin and Cousins -- meshes with that of Kyle Shanahan, pilloried at the end here but again viewed as one of the best coordinators in the NFL now that he’s in Atlanta."

Let. It. Go. 2012 was fun. This is 2015. The "RG3 haters" want him out of here because he's not good enough. It's simple.

[EA7649]

There's a sad contingent of fans out there willfully hoping for Cousins to fail just to be proven right about their opinions. I don't really get it. I just want to win.

Btw some of those people constantly talk about how its going to take a few years for our o-line to gel. Weird that we don't have the same expectation for developing a quarterback.

I might have given the impression I want cousins to fail and honestly sometimes I felt that way. But then I think bettering the team's development and what's the best way? Sure the division is wide open and you should take it a game at a time. I don't want Cousins to fail, I want Jay to be objective enough to know who will give the team the best opportunity to develop. Right now he's stubborn with Cousins bc he feels he fits his system best with quick release throws. But if the qb makes mistakes throwing the ball for turn overs and can't deliver passes that would score, and be mentally strong enough to get through it and carry the team (Robert did a great job in 2012 with his leadership but the things turned sour later) then intact Cousins is hurting the growth of the team if it continues.
I hate to use this player as an example there are plenty of veteran qbs that are good leaders, but Winston of TB is doing a much better job fighting for his team! I think Kirk being behind Robert so long really hurt his mind and I don't know how long or if it will be fixed. Take that back it was his team last year and he failed. Jay obviously is trying to get it back but Idk how much patience upper management and fans have.

[markshark84]

now we find out the real reason why the RG3 haters wanted him out of here - some of you guys are worse than fair weather fans

I do my best to only respond to the idiocy of the statement provided within a particular post and not the idiocy of the particular poster, but it is progressively becoming more difficult.......

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I just want someone who wears the Redskins uniform and plays the position to actually be an NFL quarterback. I don't care if it's Cousins, RGIII, McCoy, or Baby Jesus. I don't care who gives us the best chance to win a few meaningless games this season. I care who gives us the best chance to win for the next fifteen or so years. My kingdom for that quarterback.

[markshark84]

I just want someone who wears the Redskins uniform and plays the position to actually be an NFL quarterback. I don't care if it's Cousins, RGIII, McCoy, or Baby Jesus. I don't care who gives us the best chance to win a few meaningless games this season. I care who gives us the best chance to win for the next fifteen or so years. My kingdom for that quarterback.

Well, unfortunately we have to live in reality. No one on this team appears gives us the best chance to win for the next 15 years. That being said, if you had to pick one of the QBs with the greatest potential to do that, however, it would be Cousins since RGIII has injury issues and lacks the ability to properly read defenses (even worse than Cousins).

The only person TRULY capable of putting us in position to win for over a decade is the Owner...... and we have the worst in sports.

[StorminMormon86]

I really don't get the anti-Cousins "wanting him to fail" posters here. Now if there was a contingent of posters proclaiming him the future, despite his up and down games, I could see some sort of anti-Cousins rebuttals. But I have not seen one, single, solitary person who has proclaimed that. On the contrary, the majority of the people who are deemed "Griffin haters" or "Kissing Cousins" are people who have said that as it stands, he's the best QB on the roster currently, so you have to live with the ups and downs. And also, the QB carousel really didn't work out last year when we went back to Griffin, and then back to Colt, and then back to Griffin, did it? And there are some posters who want to give Cousins the reigns for this season (not the future) because he's never been deemed the starter. Let's see how he handles the adversity, the ups and downs, etc. now that he's the starter and not a backup filling in for a #2 draft pick knowing he's going to have to play out of his mind to retain the job.

The main problem I have with the Griffin/Cousins debates is that Cousins is not afforded the same luxuries and excuses that Griffin got. I've heard repeatedly that this is Cousins' 4th year, so the rookie/young QB excuse should be thrown out the window. Yet, we need to see more out of Griffin before he's released/traded. Cousins has had 4 years of experience, OTA's, game play, but Griffin never had a fair shake with the OTA's and play time due to injury. Despite the fact that Cousins has had 1 offseason of reps with the starters (2013) for a coach and system that's no longer here, we somehow hold him to a higher standard. This is literally his second year within Gruden's system. His second year in a row where he wasn't the starter in the offseason, and had to get reps with the 2nd and 3rd stringers. It wasn't until week 3 of the preseason this year that he got reps with the starters. And he has to contend with the fact that DJax is out, and that Andre Roberts can't catch to save his life. And Cousins gets killed for his interceptions, but the o-line was getting CRUSHED last year for the sacks and fumbles Griffin lost. Notice how the criticism of the o-line has all but disappeared? And people want to use wins/losses as some sort of analysis that Cousins is done, despite the fact that Griffin also has a losing record. I just don't understand why after week 3, in his first season as the starter, there are calls to put Griffin back in. Is he the future? Probably not. Can he get better and correct his issues? Possibly. But we'll never know if we pull another QB carousel again this year. But none of this matters because he's Cousins. If he keeps throwing interceptions, the team will magically be better once Snyder forces a change at QB.