Gruden is the new guy

[mastdark81]

Just like the Redskins organization has been for years under Snyder, the new guy comes in and gets a pass from the fans all masked by the Rg3 drama that the coach has fueled more.

Rg3 has sucked and looks like he cannot play anymore and has regressed under Gruden but we were below .500 without him at qb.

Coddling? He is the main guy doing the coddling. We were 3-13 last year and essentially Shanahans players remain but yet we have a soft training camp, get our butts handed to us vs. Patriots during it yet come out preseason with the mentality that we have nothing to prove. Main guys that need reps only get a series or two.

conditioning, lack of identity, schemes, clock management, discipline has all been a problem this year and that falls on the coach.

3-8 team and its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

But since hes Snyder new toy he gets a pass.

[SkinsJock]

Unless Gruden grounds Robert and puts Colt back in there he should lose his job

we could be 6-5 if he'd let Colt start the last 3 games and he's calling the plays that are not working

we need another makeover - obviously Snyder stays but everyone else should be let go

think of the interesting off season we'd have speculating how we could go from last to first

[oj]

Just like the Redskins organization has been for years under Snyder, the new guy comes in and gets a pass from the fans all masked by the Rg3 drama that the coach has fueled more.

Rg3 has sucked and looks like he cannot play anymore and has regressed under Gruden but we were below .500 without him at qb.

Coddling? He is the main guy doing the coddling. We were 3-13 last year and essentially Shanahans players remain but yet we have a soft training camp, get our butts handed to us vs. Patriots during it yet come out preseason with the mentality that we have nothing to prove. Main guys that need reps only get a series or two.

conditioning, lack of identity, schemes, clock management, discipline has all been a problem this year and that falls on the coach.

3-8 team and its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

But since hes Snyder new toy he gets a pass.

Well put, my sentiments exctly with better language.

[Irn-Bru]

Just like the Redskins organization has been for years under Snyder, the new guy comes in and gets a pass from the fans all masked by the Rg3 drama that the coach has fueled more.

Rg3 has sucked and looks like he cannot play anymore and has regressed under Gruden but we were below .500 without him at qb.

Coddling? He is the main guy doing the coddling. We were 3-13 last year and essentially Shanahans players remain but yet we have a soft training camp, get our butts handed to us vs. Patriots during it yet come out preseason with the mentality that we have nothing to prove. Main guys that need reps only get a series or two.

conditioning, lack of identity, schemes, clock management, discipline has all been a problem this year and that falls on the coach.

3-8 team and its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

But since hes Snyder new toy he gets a pass.

I'm sorry, but what is your point exactly?

[mastdark81]

Just like the Redskins organization has been for years under Snyder, the new guy comes in and gets a pass from the fans all masked by the Rg3 drama that the coach has fueled more.

Rg3 has sucked and looks like he cannot play anymore and has regressed under Gruden but we were below .500 without him at qb.

Coddling? He is the main guy doing the coddling. We were 3-13 last year and essentially Shanahans players remain but yet we have a soft training camp, get our butts handed to us vs. Patriots during it yet come out preseason with the mentality that we have nothing to prove. Main guys that need reps only get a series or two.

conditioning, lack of identity, schemes, clock management, discipline has all been a problem this year and that falls on the coach.

3-8 team and its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

But since hes Snyder new toy he gets a pass.

I'm sorry, but what is your point exactly?

My point is in the first sentence. Just a reminder to all the Redskins fans that we were losing with Rg3 sidelined. All of this qb blame talk the last 3 weeks is getting old. Heat has been on Snyder, Bruce Allen, but not the new coach. Dont be fooled by the "new" as fans have always done in the past, just look at the results. Thoughts?

[Deadskins]

its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

Polumbus
Cousins

[riggofan]

My point is in the first sentence. Just a reminder to all the Redskins fans that we were losing with Rg3 sidelined.

Were we? I'm pretty sure we won the two games prior to RGIII returning.

Thoughts?

I just don't like this "everything is wrong" stuff when we're talking about something very specific. We're talking about whether or not RGIII is capable of being our QB. Then people have to pop up and start saying, "Yeah, but Snyder and Fedex Field and Gruden and the offensive line and throw it all out and blah blah blah". Its like when people are talking about the Redskins name, change it or not, and inevitably somebody says, "Why do that unless we're going to completely address the enormity of social and economic issues with all Native Americans".

I'm sure there are organizational problems with the Redskins starting from the very top and Gruden is not without blame either. But neither of those comments have much to do at this point with whether or not Griffin is our QB.

[riggofan]

its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

Polumbus
Cousins

Amerson

[mastdark81]

its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

Polumbus
Cousins

POLUMBUS was injured tho remember? He didnt get his job back but that sorta dont count. Thats a "soft bench"

Cousins was never the day 1 starter...rg3 was.

[mastdark81]

its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

Polumbus
Cousins

Amerson

Thats true but i meant by their play. Polumbus was injured when he lost his job and Cousins was never the starter. Its like he is sending a message that it is ok to be 3-8

[markshark84]

we could be 6-5 if he'd let Colt start the last 3 games and he's calling the plays that are not working

But yesterday you said this:

yesterday was not a good game for Robert but it was an improvement - the final score would not have been different with Colt
so ... did it hurt the offense to not play Colt as much as it benefitted Robert to play?

Your posts are getting really confusing. You are truly in backpeddle mode now aren't you.......

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Amerson was benched?

[mastdark81]

My point is in the first sentence. Just a reminder to all the Redskins fans that we were losing with Rg3 sidelined.

Were we? I'm pretty sure we won the two games prior to RGIII returning.

Thoughts?

I just don't like this "everything is wrong" stuff when we're talking about something very specific. We're talking about whether or not RGIII is capable of being our QB. Then people have to pop up and start saying, "Yeah, but Snyder and Fedex Field and Gruden and the offensive line and throw it all out and blah blah blah". Its like when people are talking about the Redskins name, change it or not, and inevitably somebody says, "Why do that unless we're going to completely address the enormity of social and economic issues with all Native Americans".

I'm sure there are organizational problems with the Redskins starting from the very top and Gruden is not without blame either. But neither of those comments have much to do at this point with whether or not Griffin is our QB.

Yeah thats why i started a thread on specifically Gruden not Rg3.

Redskins were below .500 b4 rg3 came back. I think the point has already been made about the qb position just stating that Gruden isnt being evaluated like he should by the fans.

[grampi]

we could be 6-5 if he'd let Colt start the last 3 games and he's calling the plays that are not working

But yesterday you said this:

yesterday was not a good game for Robert but it was an improvement - the final score would not have been different with Colt
so ... did it hurt the offense to not play Colt as much as it benefitted Robert to play?

Your posts are getting really confusing. You are truly in backpeddle mode now aren't you.......

He just figured out he's the only person in this site whose still in RG3s camp...

[DarthMonk]

we could be 6-5 if he'd let Colt start the last 3 games and he's calling the plays that are not working

But yesterday you said this:

yesterday was not a good game for Robert but it was an improvement - the final score would not have been different with Colt
so ... did it hurt the offense to not play Colt as much as it benefitted Robert to play?

Your posts are getting really confusing. You are truly in backpeddle mode now aren't you.......

SJ has been posting these sarcastic comments about how much better off we'd be with Colt in there in just about every thread.

[SkinsJock]

IMO - Gruden fully understands the ramifications of all that is happening here ... and he's in charge of what happens on the field

He was brought in to be the HC partly because of how he managed the Bengals O and the QB .. he kept Haslett because he figured his main priority in year 1 was the offense and specifically to help with the QB situation

we looked set at TE, WR and RB - all he needed to do was to improve the play from the QB and the O line - that has not happened

Gruden is under the microscope just like Griffin and the press in DC is hungry for a feast

it was (apparently) obvious to some/many that Griffin needed a lot of help to transition from the style of play that Kyle/Mike wanted

this progress was (also apparently) much slower than Sean and Jay wanted or expected


in the last 3 games we have clearly seen that the process is going to take longer than expected and it's time to make a huge decision

IMO Gruden can make the call to go with Colt but he's not convinced yet that is the best decision for the franchise

[SkinsJock]

SJ has been posting these sarcastic comments ... in just about every thread.

actually they are just a bunch of stupid & nonsensical posts like most of the others that are here on the QB situation

[grampi]

SJ has been posting these sarcastic comments ... in just about every thread.

actually they are just a bunch of stupid & nonsensical posts like most of the others that are here on the QB situation

The only nonsensical QB posts are those saying RG3 is still our best option...wait, you're the only one making those posts...

[Irn-Bru]

Rg3 has sucked and looks like he cannot play anymore and has regressed under Gruden but we were below .500 without him at qb.

Coddling? He is the main guy doing the coddling. We were 3-13 last year and essentially Shanahans players remain but yet we have a soft training camp, get our butts handed to us vs. Patriots during it yet come out preseason with the mentality that we have nothing to prove. Main guys that need reps only get a series or two.

conditioning, lack of identity, schemes, clock management, discipline has all been a problem this year and that falls on the coach.

3-8 team and its hard to name 1 guy benched not related to injury (maybe rg3 soon).

But since hes Snyder new toy he gets a pass.

I'm sorry, but what is your point exactly?

My point is in the first sentence.

Yeah, I'm just not understanding it:

Just like the Redskins organization has been for years under Snyder, the new guy comes in and gets a pass from the fans all masked by the Rg3 drama that the coach has fueled more.

But with your other posts I think I'm starting to understand what you're saying. In the rest of your post:

Just a reminder to all the Redskins fans that we were losing with Rg3 sidelined.

You mean, except for the 3 games that we won? We were 3-4 with RGIII out. Yes, still under .500, but still slightly better than the 0-4 we've been with RGIII playing.

All of this qb blame talk the last 3 weeks is getting old. Heat has been on Snyder, Bruce Allen, but not the new coach. Dont be fooled by the "new" as fans have always done in the past, just look at the results. Thoughts?

My first thought is that looking only at the results doesn't tell you much about who is to blame. We're 3-8; OK, now what? Is that because we've played poor offense, defense, or special teams? Did clock management screw us out of a win or two? Are the wrong players playing? Are our schemes terrible and our plays poorly designed? Etc.

Here's the thing: when you look at the tape, it is clear that our schemes and play-calling are setting the team up for success. Receivers are open if the QB can just make his reads and put the ball where it needs to be. There have been instances where literally every single receiver is open and the pass protection holds up, and yet we don't make any yardage. Right now there are very few indicators that Gruden is the one screwing things up, unless we come up with some kind of psycho-analysis that reads the available evidence as hints of a secret, behind-the-scenes situation. I don't buy it.

[DarthMonk]

I think this is a completely legit thread.

We must question Gruden along with everyone else. I was concerned when we hired him. I had a feeling the best HC out there was Zimmer. Time will tell.

It seems as an OC, Gruden has put guys in position. It seems like guys are open all the time. However, we have not executed consistently. I'm not sure where I'm at with Gruden but it is possible he is OC material and not HC material. It is certainly worthy of discussion.

[SkinsJock]

I agree with the point FFA but there have been mistakes all around and not just because of 1 player or 1 coach

a lot of focus on the issues with the defense have been on Haslett and the same can be said for the passing offense with Griffin

there are certainly many indications of fault by Haslett & Griffin but at the same time there have been others at fault also, not just those 2

If Gruden thought his defense would be better without Haslett, he would be gone and the same is true for Griffin

I think that Gruden is finding his way here just like some of the players - we have had issues with the O line, the DBs and the pass rush all season long - those are things that are going to take time to fix and things will not magically get better without Griffin & Haslett

[Countertrey]

I think this is a completely legit thread.

We must question Gruden along with everyone else. I was concerned when we hired him. I had a feeling the best HC out there was Zimmer. Time will tell.

It seems as an OC, Gruden has put guys in position. It seems like guys are open all the time. However, we have not executed consistently. I'm not sure where I'm at with Gruden but it is possible he is OC material and not HC material. It is certainly worthy of discussion.

Disagree... See Bru's response. The fact is, the schemes are working. McCoy executed well... found open guys. Cousins, too, until he lost his mojo, and forgot how to read linebackers. Bob has had guys open, whom were never seen. About half of his sacks are on him. From what I can see, Gruden is carrying his load. At this time, I disagree with the premise of this thread.

[riggofan]

Amerson was benched?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -francisc/

David Amerson did not play for the Washington Redskins in their 17-13 loss to the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday because he missed at least part of a team meeting late last week, according to two people with knowledge of the situation.

[riggofan]

Yeah thats why i started a thread on specifically Gruden not Rg3.

Ok, well your second sentence was something about how RGIII has regressed under Gruden. Which I don't think is true, he looks about the same as he was last year IMO. And I thought it seemed like you were trying to cover for Griffin by pointing at Gruden which I'm frankly tired of after enduring three years of BLAME KYLE SHANAHAN. (Not sure if anybody has noticed, but Kyle Shanahan is likely going to be PLAYING in January with the BROWNS while we're all at home on our computers chatting about how terrible Jay Gruden is.)

Redskins were below .500 b4 rg3 came back. I think the point has already been made about the qb position just stating that Gruden isnt being evaluated like he should by the fans.

I'm sure that part is true I just don't think its anything unusual. The guy is in his first year coaching the team. I didn't have expectations that he was going to completely turn this Titanic around in nine games and judging from most people's pre-season predictions I don't think many other people did either.

I guess people are free to start bitching about Jay Gruden if they want. I'd kind of like a little more time to have more of the personnel issues (not just QB) sorted out before I start complaining.

[DarthMonk]

I think this is a completely legit thread.

We must question Gruden along with everyone else. I was concerned when we hired him. I had a feeling the best HC out there was Zimmer. Time will tell.

It seems as an OC, Gruden has put guys in position. It seems like guys are open all the time. However, we have not executed consistently. I'm not sure where I'm at with Gruden but it is possible he is OC material and not HC material. It is certainly worthy of discussion.

Disagree... See Bru's response. The fact is, the schemes are working. McCoy executed well... found open guys. Cousins, too, until he lost his mojo, and forgot how to read linebackers. Bob has had guys open, whom were never seen. About half of his sacks are on him. From what I can see, Gruden is carrying his load. At this time, I disagree with the premise of this thread.

You are disagreeing with the notion that we must question Gruden along with everyone else, or you have questioned him and disagree with others as to their answers???

I would say that to not question him would be absurd.

As I said, it seems like guys are open all the time. I also notice we finally won a challenge. This, among other things at least makes me ponder Gruden's relative values as HC vs OC.

Gruden seems to be carrying his load, in terms of scheme, as an OC but there is WAAAAAAAAAAY more to his job than that.

Not sure what you're disagreeing with precisely. Please clarify.