Offensive line

[HEROHAMO]

Just thinking out loud here. You know Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin are both good players. I heard through the media that the Dolphins tried to make Incognito the fall guy for the incident. Because Martin himself did not single out Incognito.

Just a thought. We could pick up one of them. I know Incognito is a beast. I think Martin is a solid player as well.

Too much drama? Do we need more reasons for the media to make stories up? Probably not. But they are good players.

[fredp45]

If I had to pick one it would be Incognito, he's a rugged player. I know one thing, he wouldn't "bully" Trent... Martin's actions make me think he's too soft to play OLine in the NFL.

There are plenty of other guys out there who are better, I'd pass.

[emoses14]

If I had to choose, based on what I know (reported, quotes and interviews), Martin. I don't know enough about either's skill level and ability to know if I think they'd actually be good pick ups. Given that Martin is a right tackle and Incognito a guard, I guess I'd go with Martin on that score too since our RT situation infuriates me more than our guard situation.

[markshark84]

I wouldn't want either. We already have enough going on with a new coaching staff. And it appears that Incognito will be staying with the Dolphins. Incognito is also 30 and has a personality that may not mesh well with RGIII.

As far as Martin, irrespective of what was said to him or what he said, I wouldn't want a guy that rats out his entire team. Nor do I want a team that is walking on eggshells because he is sensitive.

[Chris Luva Luva]

No.

[riggofan]

Who knows what exactly went down with those guys, but both of them struck me as a little bit mental and/or unstable.

I know we have a lot of needs on defense, but I'd be really happy to see the team go o-line with the 2d or 3d round pick. Antonio Richardson/Tennessee maybe?

[PulpExposure]

No.

[yupchagee]

From what I have read, Incognito has had problems elsewhere. Martin was a solid starter before the blow up. I'd go after him.

[Chris Luva Luva]

From what I have read, Incognito has had problems elsewhere. Martin was a solid starter before the blow up. I'd go after him.

Why? So he can get his panties twisted here too? No thank you. I can't believe you guys are serious about this. If the guy was mistreated, more power to him, I hope he gets the help he needs. After reading the recently released texts, this guy and his lawyer/agent seriously tossed Icognito under the bus. This is DC, it's been 2 months and we've forgotten about the media firestorm that occurs almost yearly? No thank you. Martin is damaged goods.

[riggofan]

From what I have read, Incognito has had problems elsewhere. Martin was a solid starter before the blow up. I'd go after him.

Why? So he can get his panties twisted here too? No thank you. I can't believe you guys are serious about this. If the guy was mistreated, more power to him, I hope he gets the help he needs. After reading the recently released texts, this guy and his lawyer/agent seriously tossed Icognito under the bus.

I'm with you on this. I'm not defending Incognito, but it seems likely to me that Martin at the least has some maturity issues, and more likely has some actual mental health problems.

[Chris Luva Luva]

From what I have read, Incognito has had problems elsewhere. Martin was a solid starter before the blow up. I'd go after him.

Why? So he can get his panties twisted here too? No thank you. I can't believe you guys are serious about this. If the guy was mistreated, more power to him, I hope he gets the help he needs. After reading the recently released texts, this guy and his lawyer/agent seriously tossed Icognito under the bus.

I'm with you on this. I'm not defending Incognito, but it seems likely to me that Martin at the least has some maturity issues, and more likely has some actual mental health problems.

Agreed, which is fine. I'm not bashing the guy. But we just got rid of one circus and folks want to invite a new circus in... Like... I'm starting to think you guys WANT something to b*** about. You have to want it, there's no other explanation for it. Martin is not that good of a talent to warrant a FRACTION of the headache he'd bring. He has even received counseling or help for whatever health concerns he has? But you guys want to bring him on board. WTF.

[riggofan]

Moving on from Icognito and Martin... Just thought this was an interesting nugget on ESPN today. Man, it would be such a boost to see LeRibeus do something this year. We really need some payoff on a couple of those linemen we drafted!

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... and-o-line

But if they did want bigger and wanted to promote from within, then this is a huge offseason for Josh LeRibeus. As a former third-round pick, he should be challenging for a starting job by his third season. LeRibeus had a terrible offseason in 2013 and took much of the year to return to his end-of-rookie-season form. If a team is doing a good job developing talent, then a player such as LeRibeus should be ready to play a lot more now. Yes, a lot of that is on him. If he has a good offseason, he could be a factor.

But the way you help yourself when you need to cut players is by bumping up a young player. Otherwise, they can cut, say, Chris Chester and then have to find a somewhat expensive replacement. You're just spinning wheels after a while, in terms of creating cap space (which has typically been the Redskins' problem). It also limits a team's ability to then address other more costly issues.

[crazyhorse1]

If you start rejecting NFL players because they have mental health issues, you wouldn't be able to field a team.

[Chris Luva Luva]

It will be interesting to see who's stock rises on the current roster. I think it's evident that Mike's evaluation techniques were questionable in some areas. His interaction with players was questionable, which is a fact.

So, WHO on this team was stuffed in the doghouse but could have really helped the team? We have a slew of o-linemen, they can't all be duds.

- Josh Morgan led the team in receptions his 1st year, drastically fell off the second and got in the dog house.
- Niles Paul, Mike's project... Said he reminded him of Sharpe... What really happened there? He's one of our best special teams players but never really got a chance to stretch the field.

I'm not trying to derail the thread but point out that Mike has opened roomed to doubt him. So, we may have to rethink our opinions of certain players. What we were fed, was it accurate...? We may have answers on the squad...

[riggofan]

I think you're completely right about that. The Shanahan dog house was like the pit of no return or something, so you gotta think some of these players are looking at a legitimate chance to prove they can play. I would love to see one of these o-line draft pick guys step up and make a case for himself.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I think you're completely right about that. The Shanahan dog house was like the pit of no return or something, so you gotta think some of these players are looking at a legitimate chance to prove they can play. I would love to see one of these o-line draft pick guys step up and make a case for himself.

Yeah, I'm trying to reset my thoughts towards certain situations/things moving forward. Everyone is a blank slate moving forward, things may be better than we anticipate. The key thing to do moving forward is to have an open mind.

[AnthonyRRedskin1995]

From what I have read, Incognito has had problems elsewhere. Martin was a solid starter before the blow up. I'd go after him.

+1

Incognito has gotten kicked off every team he has ever been on since college. Why should we think his problems would be fixed if he joins the circus known as the Washington Redskins?

Martin has potential (just based on the little that I watched him play in college and with Miami). Also he comes with much less baggage than Incognito.

[frankcal20]

Please God, no. Martin obviously has some mental issues he needs to fix before he comes back in the locker room. Incognito is the type of guy I don't think would mesh with the team to begin with. He's "Nasty" in a bad way just in terms of his play on the field. Similar to a Cortland Finnegan (CB).

[langleyparkjoe]

Please God, no. Martin obviously has some mental issues he needs to fix before he comes back in the locker room. Incognito is the type of guy I don't think would mesh with the team to begin with. He's "Nasty" in a bad way just in terms of his play on the field. Similar to a Cortland Finnegan (CB).

Precisely!!!

[Neo]

Please God, no. Martin obviously has some mental issues he needs to fix before he comes back in the locker room. Incognito is the type of guy I don't think would mesh with the team to begin with. He's "Nasty" in a bad way just in terms of his play on the field. Similar to a Cortland Finnegan (CB).

Precisely!!!

Put me down for a "precisely" as well.

There was enough media attention on the Skins as it were. This incident took the Redskins out of the news for the most part. I'm enjoying the peace and quiet. Bob & a few WRs are traveling around (or at least will be soon) getting an early start on 2014. These guys can focus on football & not the bs media soap opera.

Plus Incognito kinda reminds me of Chris Farley

[Countertrey]

It will be interesting to see who's stock rises on the current roster. I think it's evident that Mike's evaluation techniques were questionable in some areas. His interaction with players was questionable, which is a fact.

So, WHO on this team was stuffed in the doghouse but could have really helped the team? We have a slew of o-linemen, they can't all be duds.

- Josh Morgan led the team in receptions his 1st year, drastically fell off the second and got in the dog house.
- Niles Paul, Mike's project... Said he reminded him of Sharpe... What really happened there? He's one of our best special teams players but never really got a chance to stretch the field.

I'm not trying to derail the thread but point out that Mike has opened roomed to doubt him. So, we may have to rethink our opinions of certain players. What we were fed, was it accurate...? We may have answers on the squad...

I think Shanahan has an exceptional handle on Front Office management. As a result, the team is in pretty good shape as it relates to the cap, and the latitude the team now has to make moves.

On the other hand, there have always been questions about his ability as an evaluator of talent... part of this may be related to the pretty clear evidence that he has always been wedded to a particular scheme... an opportunistic read and react running game built on zone blocking, and a mobile quarterback. You say "Mike Shanahan" and people think "ZBS" and "hidden running back gems"... They may think "won a superbowl"... but, I doubt that anyone sees him in the HOF.

He was tossed a load of crap with CAPGATE... it really hampered his plans to rebuild the O-line and the Receiver corps...

Without that cap space, I don't think he is a creative football mind... as a result, he "makes do" with smallish O linemen who really may not be able to play elsewhere... and he's realy good at finding running back gems... but, I just don't think he was a strong evaluator of "other" talent. Pierre Garcon was a coup... but he couldn't do much more than that with the receivers...

I was glad to see him come here... but mostly because I was comfortable that he could fix the front office, and reverse the pattern of defeatism at Redskins Park... Anything was better than the status quo at the time. Meh... but... the bottom line is, the team is MUCH better off than it was.

[riggofan]

Great post, man. I know after last season, a lot of people will choke to read "the team is MUCH better off than it was" but I think the next year is going to prove you right on that.

So now that the books have been cleaned up, we have some real cap space to work with and all of that good stuff, what I really want to see is some continued sanity from the front office rather than a return to the old crazy days throwing ridiculous money at Albert Haynesworth. We're going to find out a lot over the next three months.

[Neo]

It will be interesting to see who's stock rises on the current roster. I think it's evident that Mike's evaluation techniques were questionable in some areas. His interaction with players was questionable, which is a fact.

So, WHO on this team was stuffed in the doghouse but could have really helped the team? We have a slew of o-linemen, they can't all be duds.

- Josh Morgan led the team in receptions his 1st year, drastically fell off the second and got in the dog house.
- Niles Paul, Mike's project... Said he reminded him of Sharpe... What really happened there? He's one of our best special teams players but never really got a chance to stretch the field.

I'm not trying to derail the thread but point out that Mike has opened roomed to doubt him. So, we may have to rethink our opinions of certain players. What we were fed, was it accurate...? We may have answers on the squad...

I think Shanahan has an exceptional handle on Front Office management. As a result, the team is in pretty good shape as it relates to the cap, and the latitude the team now has to make moves.

On the other hand, there have always been questions about his ability as an evaluator of talent... part of this may be related to the pretty clear evidence that he has always been wedded to a particular scheme... an opportunistic read and react running game built on zone blocking, and a mobile quarterback. You say "Mike Shanahan" and people think "ZBS" and "hidden running back gems"... They may think "won a superbowl"... but, I doubt that anyone sees him in the HOF.

He was tossed a load of crap with CAPGATE... it really hampered his plans to rebuild the O-line and the Receiver corps...

Without that cap space, I don't think he is a creative football mind... as a result, he "makes do" with smallish O linemen who really may not be able to play elsewhere... and he's realy good at finding running back gems... but, I just don't think he was a strong evaluator of "other" talent. Pierre Garcon was a coup... but he couldn't do much more than that with the receivers...

I was glad to see him come here... but mostly because I was comfortable that he could fix the front office, and reverse the pattern of defeatism at Redskins Park... Anything was better than the status quo at the time. Meh... but... the bottom line is, the team is MUCH better off than it was.

Not doubting your comment or anything, but do we know for sure who was the major contributor to managing our cap?

In other words, I just assumed it was Allen, has there been any word as to how involved Shanny was in this as well?

[Countertrey]

My impression (that's all it is) is that Shanahan was the boss... and Allen took all cues from him... That certainly doesn't negate any skill that Allen brings to the position... and I'm perfectly comfortable with Allen running the show now.

[frankcal20]

Actually Allen did all the contracts. It was up to Shannahan to identify guys he wanted and if we could fit them in, they would. I'm sure Shannahan was consulted with what the issues where but in terms of structure, that was all Allen and why he was brought in to begin with and remains on staff.