Next Monday

[DarthMonk]

Business as usual next Monday or a huge splash ... or are they the same thing?

This guy says splash:

An unavoidable exodus for Shanahan, Redskins
BY RICK SNIDER
December 23 at 6:48 pm

Coach Mike Shanahan and the Washington Redskins have lost seven straight games, including Sunday’s 24-23 defeat to the Dallas Cowboys at FedEx Field.

Washington Redskins coach Mike Shanahan didn’t take a final glance around FedEx Field as he neared the tunnel after Sunday’s loss. It seems there’s no looking back now.

A coach who just suffered his second straight one-point loss would normally be slumped at the postgame podium — too exhausted and frustrated to say more than a few words. But Shanahan looked relaxed. It’s as if he has made peace with what’s coming as he enters the season finale against the New York Giants with a 24-39 record in Washington.

Shanahan wasn’t the only person exiting FedEx Field for the final time Sunday. Probably half the players and the entire coaching staff won’t be back. It’s time to rebuild once again. With a loss to the Giants, the Redskins (3-12) would match the 1994 team for the most losses in franchise history.

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Monday, bloody Monday can’t come fast enough.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/express/w ... -redskins/

Do we lead off ESPN next Monday with some huge firings or does the staff remain largely intact, or somewhere in between? Who stays, who goes?

[SkinsJock]

If Mike wants to stay - it's a mistake to let him go

If Mike wants to be fired because Dan does not support him - it's a shame

If Mike is being forced to leave because of Dan's failure to support him - it's a clear indication of how bad our owner really is

hopefully - Mike wants to leave and Dan can get someone to help him find a HC that can continue to build the franchise

Dan Snyder does not have a clue about managing an NFL franchise or what it takes to be successful on the field in the NFL

[Kilmer72]

If Mike wants to stay - it's a mistake to let him go

If Mike wants to be fired because Dan does not support him - it's a shame

If Mike is being forced to leave because of Dan's failure to support him - it's a clear indication of how bad our owner really is

hopefully - Mike wants to leave and Dan can get someone to help him find a HC that can continue to build the franchise

Dan Snyder does not have a clue about managing an NFL franchise or what it takes to be successful on the field in the NFL

Please read what you wrote Skinsjock. I know you better than that and I don't know you. Really that was crazier than anything I could come up with in my drunken state.

If you are going to make a point please make it.

[UK Skins Fan]

I'm sorry - Mike Shanahan absolutely deserves to get fired. I'd love to see stability and continuity in Washington DC, but it's not going to happen under Shanahan. I'm really hoping that, this time next week, we're already discussing the shortlist of candidates - including GM candidates.

[crazyhorse1]

If Mike wants to stay - it's a mistake to let him go

If Mike wants to be fired because Dan does not support him - it's a shame

If Mike is being forced to leave because of Dan's failure to support him - it's a clear indication of how bad our owner really is

hopefully - Mike wants to leave and Dan can get someone to help him find a HC that can continue to build the franchise

Dan Snyder does not have a clue about managing an NFL franchise or what it takes to be successful on the field in the NFL

Please read what you wrote Skinsjock. I know you better than that and I don't know you. Really that was crazier than anything I could come up with in my drunken state.

If you are going to make a point please make it.

"hopefully - Mike wants to leave and Dan can get someone to help him find a HC that can continue to build the franchise." ???????
It's incredible to me that you think Mike has been rebuilding the franchise. His tenure has been a disaster. We have one NFL caliber player on the OL, one proven, quality receiver, maybe two NFL caliber players at DB, two decent linebackers, and then one good defensive lineman and Morris, Griffin, Cousins, and a quality fullback. We also have a prospect in Reed. Other than that we have journeymen, any of whom we could afford to lose. That's eleven good players total, and no good coaches, except possibility Kyle. There's been talk in the press about cleaning house. I expect a house clean. Why not? If we lose to the Giants, and even if we don't, we'll one of the worse records in franchise history. What saved us last year were two fabulous rookies. One of them was not effective this year, understandably, so we, predictably, fell. No, not just fell. We have been humiliated game after game. Please get over the notion that Shanahan and Allen are not responsible. They are. Danny's big mistake was hiring them.

[StorminMormon86]

If you are going to make a point please make it.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly where he stands. He talks in circles about everything. One second Mike's a genius, the next he's not a great coach.

[Redskin in Canada]

Do we lead off ESPN next Monday with some huge firings or does the staff remain largely intact, or somewhere in between? Who stays, who goes?

Does it matter?

Has it mattered since 1999?

How many iterations of this tragicomedy do we know?

Norv Turner
Terry Robiskie
Marty Schottenheimer
Steve Spurrier
Joe Gibbs
Jim Zorn
Mike Shanahan

There is ONLY one conclusion: Whether a HOF head coach or an experienced coach like Marty, to a nobody like Jim Zorn or a clueless college coach like Spurrier, all of them failed because NOBODY can win with this owner. NOBODY.

Ohhhh and the brilliant player hirings by Dan and Vinny. Please do not remind me.

[Countertrey]

Monday will come and go without event.
Shanahan will coach next year.
Nothing to see here.

[Deadskins]

Monday will come and go without event.
Shanahan will coach next year.
Nothing to see here.

+1

[DarthMonk]

Monday will come and go without event.
Shanahan will coach next year.
Nothing to see here.

Kyle?

Haz?

Burns?

Others?

Just maybe not Monday or not at all?

[Smithian]

If Mike wants to stay - it's a mistake to let him go

If Mike wants to be fired because Dan does not support him - it's a shame

If Mike is being forced to leave because of Dan's failure to support him - it's a clear indication of how bad our owner really is

hopefully - Mike wants to leave and Dan can get someone to help him find a HC that can continue to build the franchise

Dan Snyder does not have a clue about managing an NFL franchise or what it takes to be successful on the field in the NFL

3-12. 24-39 overall.



It's over.

[Skinsfan55]

If Mike wants to stay - it's a mistake to let him go

[Skinsfan55]

Monday will come and go without event.
Shanahan will coach next year.
Nothing to see here.

I very sincerely hope not. If Shanahan isn't fired then this franchise is in much worse shape than I thought.

[Skinsfan55]

Shanahan will obviously be fired. The writing is on the wall and it's a move that absolutely has to happen. It's honestly laughable that anyone would think he could survive this. Everything Broncos fans tried to warn us about has happened. We badly need to cut ties. The franchise is in MUCH worse shape than it was when Shanahan arrived. God.

The only coaches who have a chance at surviving are McVey and maybe Raheem Morris. Everyone else will be thrown out on their arse and rightfully so. Bruce Allen may not even survive this overhaul. I'd say Morocco Brown returns, but Scott Campbell is a toss up and under the right circumstances Allen could be ousted. Eric Schaffer's a keeper too. Honestly, we need to completely overhaul the team and change the culture.

[SkinsJock]

If you are going to make a point please make it.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly where he stands. He talks in circles about everything. One second Mike's a genius, the next he's not a great coach.

You obviously don't get it - why is that not a surprise

I have wanted a better HC for a while ... However, Mike is here and he's not a bad HC - he and others have pulled the franchise out of a very deep hole created by Dan and Vinny - I really don't care too much if he's here or not next year - I just do not want Snyder involved with ANYTHING to do with the coaches or the players

it's bad for this franchise if Dan hires a HC and then interferes and undermines his authority after signing an agreement not to do that - we do not know that Dan has done that but if so it stinks

I would like a new coach but not one that Dan thinks is any good - he does not have a clue

so I don't care if Mike stays or goes as long as Dan Snyder has nothing to do with the decision to keep Mike here or to hire a new HC - NOTHING

I don't think that having a new HC is going to suddenly turn things around anymore than I think Mike will suddenly turn things around - why go through all that
we are almost certainly going to need a new DC and STC, maybe a new OC depending on how Kyle and Bob get along - why not stay with Mike for a year

Dan may have screwed that up too just like everything else he does

[SkinsJock]

Mike has been in charge of getting this franchise out of the mess created by Dan - the current state of this franchise is better but it still needs more work
if Dan is in charge here it will most definitely go downhill again

Now if Mike gets fired and someone other than Dan Snyder finds a HC and gets Dan to hire him that is a good thing ...

but how many good coaches are going to sign a contract with an owner that will not be bound by that contract

the next HC better get a prenup deal in place so that the penalty for breaking the contract is like $50 million

[Kilmer72]

Monday will come and go without event.
Shanahan will coach next year.
Nothing to see here.

I think it is too late for this Countertrey. If by some miracle Mike is still here then I would assume there was no one else available. Mike doesn't like being forced to
fire his coaches and I don't blame him but, most of his coaches need replacing. I doubt he is still here. I would have loved to have had some success this year without all the drama. It
points to Mike in almost all of our failures. Why do you think this?

[SkinsJock]

OK - Does anyone think that some other HC has a better chance at getting things together here than Mike? If so who and why?

I'm not saying that Mike is the best HC but he's here and he's not a bad HC - this franchise still has a little way to go before we have a consistently competitive product - and he (with some help) has improved our situation since 2009
we have a better shot at seeing some improvement here with Mike in charge of things for another year and adding some new assistants and players

I don't like the idea of change just for the sake of change - it's a distraction and there is not enough that things will be a lot different with someone else in charge

[Deadskins]

The franchise is in MUCH worse shape than it was when Shanahan arrived. God.

Please! You don't really believe that, do you?

[OldSchool]

Should Shannahan be fired? That depends on his role in the decision to spend 3 first round and 1 second round pick on Griffin. If he urged Snyder to sign off on this huge gamble than absolutely he deserves to go for the crazy move. If on the other hand Shanny tried to dissuade a headstrong owner from going all in another "mega deal" and Shanny's role in the debacle was limited to doing his best to make Snyder's big Griffin gamble work than I think he deserves another year.

[StorminMormon86]

This "myth" about no one wanting to come coach here needs to end. With Snyder's money and the Skins being a major market team, I think the possibilities are a lot better that we can get a good coach than others seem to think.

[SkinsJock]

This "myth" about no one wanting to come coach here needs to end. With Snyder's money and the Skins being a major market team, I think the possibilities are a lot better that we can get a good coach than others seem to think.

most here are not worried about getting a great HC - no decent HC can work with players while Snyder is interfering ...

you most likely think that Mike's record is SOLELY due to him not being a good enough HC - you would be wrong

IMO Mike is not a really good HC but he'd be a lot better if he's allowed to run things here as he and Snyder agreed to

we'll soon find out - Mike is not going to want to come back if he's being handicapped by Snyder's interfering and will most likely get himself fired on Monday

if not - he and Snyder will have another year together

[StorminMormon86]

you most likely think that Mike's record is SOLELY due to him not being a good enough HC - you would be wrong

Never said that, but since you love talking in circles without making any sense this doesn't surprise me.

IMO Mike is not a really good HC but he'd be a lot better if he's allowed to run things here as he and Snyder agreed to

He has been running the show since year 1. Snyder may be a horrible bass turd who's screwed this team over in previous years, but EVERYTHING that's been done football related since Shanahan's arrival has been Shanahan. He brought the coaching staff, he changed the defense, he brought McNabb, he stuck with Grossman/Beck, he drafted Griffin, he upgraded the Skins training facility. He had total control during his tenure. And he's failed at just about everything. He needs to go.

[riggofan]

OK - Does anyone think that some other HC has a better chance at getting things together here than Mike? If so who and why?

I think there are probably several coaches who have a better chance than Mike at this point. Why? Because of the past four years, Mike's record over those years, his history with RGIII, this PR mess he created over the past few weeks, whatever issues he has with Snyder, etc; I think Shanahan has a lot to overcome off the field.

The problem with bringing in a new coach is the whole starting from scratch thing. Personally, I just don't know how ready for that I am. I've been really patient during Shanahan's tenure, because I think the franchise was a terrible mess that needed cleaned up. To get to the end of that with little to show for it, facing another rebuild kind of sucks.

Guess we'll find out soon enough what its going to be.

[SkinsJock]

you most likely think that Mike's record is SOLELY due to him not being a good enough HC - you would be wrong

Never said that, but since you love talking in circles without making any sense this doesn't surprise me.

IMO Mike is not a really good HC but he'd be a lot better if he's allowed to run things here as he and Snyder agreed to

He has been running the show since year 1. Snyder may be a horrible bass turd who's screwed this team over in previous years, but EVERYTHING that's been done football related since Shanahan's arrival has been Shanahan. He brought the coaching staff, he changed the defense, he brought McNabb, he stuck with Grossman/Beck, he drafted Griffin, he upgraded the Skins training facility. He had total control during his tenure. And he's failed at just about everything. He needs to go.

If you're implying that Snyder has not interfered with or undermined Mike's coaching in any way then that would mean that Mike might not leave

Mike is only leaving if he does not feel that Dan is fully supportive of all that he's doing

I do think we can get better coaching but at this time I don't think the change is helpful and I certainly hope that Snyder's not involved