Come on guys, get to the table and make deal. Davis is getting better and better as a player.........sucks that he got injured.
Let's NOT lose him to the highest bidder.... like our Divisional foes.
There's a "free agent" thread in GM ........but come on, let's sign OUR OWN free agents.
The Washington Redskins slapped the franchise tag on tight end Fred Davis last offseason, but they might pursue another course soon.
One league insider told The Washington Post the Redskins might choose an incentive-laden, multiyear deal with Davis, who is set to become a free agent while working his way back from surgery to repair the left Achilles tendon he tore in October. Unofficial list of free agents Free agency is almost here. Check out this unofficial list of the 2013 NFL restricted and unrestricted free agents for every team. More ...
Davis started just seven games last season after ending the 2011 campaign under suspension after violating the league's substance abuse policy.
The injury was ill-timed for Davis, who is certain to see a reduced payday from either Washington or another suitor. The fifth-year pro hauled in 24 catches for 325 yards last season after the Redskins slapped Davis with the $5.5 million franchise tag. That figure leaps to $6.5 million if he's tagged again.
It's logical the Redskins would feel more comfortable pursuing a deal that reflects Davis' future production.
If another team swoops in, the Redskins would need a tight end. The free-agent pool offers options including Jared Cook of the Tennessee Titans, Dustin Keller of the New York Jets and Martellus Bennett of the New York Giants.
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.
I love ey, but I don't think he's on the team this year. But I agree with you about Davis. Unless we can work out a good deal for the team, I say let him go. Too bad we can't get anything for him, though. Maybe franchise him again to buy time, and then trade him to an AFC team.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
The Redskins are in a VERY different place now - we are finally a franchise that players want to be a part of for the right reasons ...
Players will be brought in & players will be kept based on their commitment to being better and their desire to be a part of what is happening here
we no longer just add 'talent' like some fantasy football outfit - this franchise now has a plan and an FO that knows how to make this franchise great again
a lot of players are going to want to be here to be a part of that
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:The Redskins are in a VERY different place now - we are finally a franchise that players want to be a part of for the right reasons ...
Players will be brought in & players will be kept based on their commitment to being better and their desire to be a part of what is happening here
we no longer just add 'talent' like some fantasy football outfit - this franchise now has a plan and an FO that knows how to make this franchise great again
a lot of players are going to want to be here to be a part of that
Don't beat around the bush...........say what you need to say about Davis
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
Davis is a valuable asset to this team. He's one of our own. Before his injury, he was doing well. Paulsen is a great compliment to Davis but he's not anyone a defense has to worry about. The play before Davis get's hurt (it was penalized and called back) is an example of what he can bring to the table. Paulsen is not atheletic enough to make those plays and stretch the defense in that manner. I like Paulsen a lot but let's not make him out to be something he's not.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Davis is a valuable asset to this team. He's one of our own. Before his injury, he was doing well. Paulsen is a great compliment to Davis but he's not anyone a defense has to worry about. The play before Davis get's hurt (it was penalized and called back) is an example of what he can bring to the table. Paulsen is not atheletic enough to make those plays and stretch the defense in that manner. I like Paulsen a lot but let's not make him out to be something he's not.
To expand a bit, for an example of the kind of skills and production Davis has shown flashes of and can bring to the table, please see Vernon Davis of the 49rs. Davis is game changing player who is only augmented by a game changer like Griffin. We should absolutely resign that man. Lock him up long term, lace incentives in it that essentially can't kick in until next year and sit back and smile.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Davis is a valuable asset to this team. He's one of our own. Before his injury, he was doing well. Paulsen is a great compliment to Davis but he's not anyone a defense has to worry about. The play before Davis get's hurt (it was penalized and called back) is an example of what he can bring to the table. Paulsen is not atheletic enough to make those plays and stretch the defense in that manner. I like Paulsen a lot but let's not make him out to be something he's not.
To expand a bit, for an example of the kind of skills and production Davis has shown flashes of and can bring to the table, please see Vernon Davis of the 49rs. Davis is game changing player who is only augmented by a game changer like Griffin. We should absolutely resign that man. Lock him up long term, lace incentives in it that essentially can't kick in until next year and sit back and smile.
I dunno if I'd put him on Vernon's level yet. While Vernon has had the luxury of playing with better QB's and a more stable enviroment, I think he's more physically gifted than Davis. I'd put Davis one notch below Vernon but with the potential to POSSIBLY get to that elite TE status. As much as I like Paulsen, his skillset is easily replaceable. Davis, not so much. Vernon, he's a freak up there with Graham, Gronk and Gonzalez (sp). If I had to pinpoint Davis's weakness... I don't think he has the catching skills of the top tier TE's. But we haven't had a QB that could give him those oppurtunities until now... So I'll reserve judgment.
SkinsJock wrote:The Redskins are in a VERY different place now - we are finally a franchise that players want to be a part of for the right reasons ...
Players will be brought in & players will be kept based on their commitment to being better and their desire to be a part of what is happening here
we no longer just add 'talent' like some fantasy football outfit - this franchise now has a plan and an FO that knows how to make this franchise great again
a lot of players are going to want to be here to be a part of that
Don't beat around the bush...........say what you need to say about Davis
just for you - I'm a Davis fan and I hope he wants to be here ... BUT, he will not make that decision
IF Kyle and Mike want him they will make him an offer to stay .. I hope Davis takes that - we'll see
like I said - I'm a Davis fan - I think he should want to stay here and play with RG3 - if he wants the money more, then, I hope he has a great time elsewhere ...
we do NOT need players who put money before the team ... we will still be a VERY good team without them
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:we do NOT need players who put money before the team ...
I don't disagree... But within reason. These guys are no different than us, I'd leave my job in an instant if they didn't offer me fair market value for my contributions. I hope he stays. I hope that the offer made is fair. If it's fair and he bulks, I understand but I wish him well.
Davis is the best TE on the team and maybe one of the best in the league. The problem is that he is often injured. He has only played one full season. Is a part time TE worth the $5 - $7 million he will be asking for, especially with the cap hit? I would hate to see him go but is he affordable? Will he structure a contract that will allow growth for the team or will he want a me contract, keeping in mind that this is probably his one chance to get a big me contract.
SkinsJock wrote:we do NOT need players who put money before the team ...
I don't disagree... But within reason. These guys are no different than us, I'd leave my job in an instant if they didn't offer me fair market value for my contributions. I hope he stays. I hope that the offer made is fair. If it's fair and he bulks, I understand but I wish him well.
I agree CLL - I think that the FO will want him back and will make him a decent offer - if he chooses to go somewhere else for more money, good for him
I think a lot of players will want to play for this franchise and we are better off without those that choose a higher salary over a better place to work
we no longer need to over pay for the players we want
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Quackjack wrote:Bad idea. You guys already have Paulsen and ey. Save the cash.
Cooley is a shadow of COOOOOLEY. He's done.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Quackjack wrote:Bad idea. You guys already have Paulsen and ey. Save the cash.
Cooley is a shadow of COOOOOLEY. He's done.
He must be....he couldnt even unseed Paulsen. Im tired of talking about Freds "potential" still...Im cool with Cook, Keller or Bennett (in that order) OVER Davis
Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
I agree with this. I mean the inability to play two full years in a row is a major red flag. I've gone back and forth about Davis but I believe this is where I stand from here on.
As another contributor said, I'd be ok with an incentive laden contract with a low pay based on his issues/inability to play a full season.
After that, see if we can find his replacement in the draft and if that replacement is better by far, cut Davis.
skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
I agree with this. I mean the inability to play two full years in a row is a major red flag. I've gone back and forth about Davis but I believe this is where I stand from here on.
As another contributor said, I'd be ok with an incentive laden contract with a low pay based on his issues/inability to play a full season.
After that, see if we can find his replacement in the draft and if that replacement is better by far, cut Davis.
I don't understand this willingness to unload Davis. The guy is very good and very young and we'll get him on the cheap because I agree that his stats are not indicative of his ability, YET. The best thing about griffin is his ability not to lock in on just one receiver and to spread the ball around. Davis' production prior to the Achilles (a freak, not injury prone, injury, by the way) was tops on the team. Hell he was 5th on the team in receiving and played less than half the games! He was 12th in TEs in 2011 with a 4 game suspension.
Speaking if which, didn't he only not play a full compliment of games last year because he was suspended? So he has played three straight full seasons 09, 10 and 11. After all I take the question "has he even played 2 full seasons to be some sort of shot at his durability. And in 08, his rookie year, he wasn't hurt, he was stupid and that's why he only played 11. So he's been hurt exactly once.
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I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
I agree with this. I mean the inability to play two full years in a row is a major red flag. I've gone back and forth about Davis but I believe this is where I stand from here on.
As another contributor said, I'd be ok with an incentive laden contract with a low pay based on his issues/inability to play a full season.
After that, see if we can find his replacement in the draft and if that replacement is better by far, cut Davis.
I don't understand this willingness to unload Davis. The guy is very good and very young and we'll get him on the cheap because I agree that his stats are not indicative of his ability, YET. The best thing about griffin is his ability not to lock in on just one receiver and to spread the ball around. Davis' production prior to the Achilles (a freak, not injury prone, injury, by the way) was tops on the team. Hell he was 5th on the team in receiving and played less than half the games! He was 12th in TEs in 2011 with a 4 game suspension.
Speaking if which, didn't he only not play a full compliment of games last year because he was suspended? So he has played three straight full seasons 09, 10 and 11. After all I take the question "has he even played 2 full seasons to be some sort of shot at his durability. And in 08, his rookie year, he wasn't hurt, he was stupid and that's why he only played 11. So he's been hurt exactly once.
Every year it seems that deficit hawks on this site become money conscious and want to unload our best talent, as if we could afford to lose any. Here's the fact. We have gaping holes and talent shortages at key positions, one of them being tight end (without Davis). We are not a shoo in even to repeat as division champs, in fact probably won't, unless we have a terrific off-season. Our DB's suck, more or less, and the offensive line can only be said to be strong at two positions. On defense, we can't rush the passer unless we blitz. We also need another productive WR to go with Garcon and have to pray Moss makes it through another season. Further, without RG3 posing a dual threat and better receivers, Morris' yardage will go down considerably. We are champs by a shoe string and some flukey wins which may not happen again. Getting rid of Davis is one of the most absurd things we can do. Akin to Republicans trying to make the economy grow by firing people from their jobs. Austerity does not produce Super Bowls.
skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
I agree with this. I mean the inability to play two full years in a row is a major red flag. I've gone back and forth about Davis but I believe this is where I stand from here on.
As another contributor said, I'd be ok with an incentive laden contract with a low pay based on his issues/inability to play a full season.
After that, see if we can find his replacement in the draft and if that replacement is better by far, cut Davis.
I don't understand this willingness to unload Davis. The guy is very good and very young and we'll get him on the cheap because I agree that his stats are not indicative of his ability, YET. The best thing about griffin is his ability not to lock in on just one receiver and to spread the ball around. Davis' production prior to the Achilles (a freak, not injury prone, injury, by the way) was tops on the team. Hell he was 5th on the team in receiving and played less than half the games! He was 12th in TEs in 2011 with a 4 game suspension.
Speaking if which, didn't he only not play a full compliment of games last year because he was suspended? So he has played three straight full seasons 09, 10 and 11. After all I take the question "has he even played 2 full seasons to be some sort of shot at his durability. And in 08, his rookie year, he wasn't hurt, he was stupid and that's why he only played 11. So he's been hurt exactly once.
Yep. Big difference between a pot-use suspension and Achilles heel tear and a guy who is, e.g., having chronic problems on the same knee. Davis has definitely proved he can produce and he will not have to sign an incentive-laden contract to get paid a decent amount. His suspension and injury will keep him from getting top-5 TE money, but the Redskins should not be low balling him either. He will be a key player on next year's team.
skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
I agree with this. I mean the inability to play two full years in a row is a major red flag. I've gone back and forth about Davis but I believe this is where I stand from here on.
As another contributor said, I'd be ok with an incentive laden contract with a low pay based on his issues/inability to play a full season.
After that, see if we can find his replacement in the draft and if that replacement is better by far, cut Davis.
I don't understand this willingness to unload Davis. The guy is very good and very young and we'll get him on the cheap because I agree that his stats are not indicative of his ability, YET. The best thing about griffin is his ability not to lock in on just one receiver and to spread the ball around. Davis' production prior to the Achilles (a freak, not injury prone, injury, by the way) was tops on the team. Hell he was 5th on the team in receiving and played less than half the games! He was 12th in TEs in 2011 with a 4 game suspension.
Speaking if which, didn't he only not play a full compliment of games last year because he was suspended? So he has played three straight full seasons 09, 10 and 11. After all I take the question "has he even played 2 full seasons to be some sort of shot at his durability. And in 08, his rookie year, he wasn't hurt, he was stupid and that's why he only played 11. So he's been hurt exactly once.
Every year it seems that deficit hawks on this site become money conscious and want to unload our best talent, as if we could afford to lose any. Here's the fact. We have gaping holes and talent shortages at key positions, one of them being tight end (without Davis). We are not a shoo in even to repeat as division champs, in fact probably won't, unless we have a terrific off-season. Our DB's suck, more or less, and the offensive line can only be said to be strong at two positions. On defense, we can't rush the passer unless we blitz. We also need another productive WR to go with Garcon and have to pray Moss makes it through another season. Further, without RG3 posing a dual threat and better receivers, Morris' yardage will go down considerably. We are champs by a shoe string and some flukey wins which may not happen again. Getting rid of Davis is one of the most absurd things we can do. Akin to Republicans trying to make the economy grow by firing people from their jobs. Austerity does not produce Super Bowls.
Your political delusions aside... you are dead on about the foolishness of those who don't see Davis for what he is... a reliable and dangerous weapon, who, teamed with Garcon and a healthy Morgan, will create an exceptionally dangerous set of receivers.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.
If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.
I agree with this. I mean the inability to play two full years in a row is a major red flag. I've gone back and forth about Davis but I believe this is where I stand from here on.
As another contributor said, I'd be ok with an incentive laden contract with a low pay based on his issues/inability to play a full season.
After that, see if we can find his replacement in the draft and if that replacement is better by far, cut Davis.
I don't understand this willingness to unload Davis. The guy is very good and very young and we'll get him on the cheap because I agree that his stats are not indicative of his ability, YET. The best thing about griffin is his ability not to lock in on just one receiver and to spread the ball around. Davis' production prior to the Achilles (a freak, not injury prone, injury, by the way) was tops on the team. @#!*% he was 5th on the team in receiving and played less than half the games! He was 12th in TEs in 2011 with a 4 game suspension.
Speaking if which, didn't he only not play a full compliment of games last year because he was suspended? So he has played three straight full seasons 09, 10 and 11. After all I take the question "has he even played 2 full seasons to be some sort of shot at his durability. And in 08, his rookie year, he wasn't hurt, he was stupid and that's why he only played 11. So he's been hurt exactly once.
If he's cheap, go for it. My concern is wasting money on him with our limited cap. If he isn't an issue there, that's worth the risk to me. If he's putting in a half decent hit, I'm not for it.
Irn-Bru wrote:His suspension and injury will keep him from getting top-5 TE money, but the Redskins should not be low balling him either. He will be a key player on next year's team.
His not having top 5 talent will keep him from getting top 5 talent money. The injury (just as bad as what RG3 had) and the suspension will not help his cause, but the main reason will be the fact that he isn't a top 5 guy.
He isn't ey in his prime. The guy has never produced at any where near elite level for an entire year. He is simply a good player that can't get on the field because there was a better guy, or couldn't stay on the field because he was getting suspended or injured.
Bring him back If he can be had at or below market value, but don't pay 1 cent more. He simply won't have a large market. He is unreliable and nothing special. I'm sure a TE with his talent level can be had on the 4th or 5th round or on the second wave of free agency (you know a week or two after all the high price FA have signed and teams start signing bargains). I could name a couple dozen TEs that would give you better performance or at least comparable.
I would like to keep him but won't shed a tear if he goes.
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain"
(It is time to roll the dice) Tai'shar Manetheren
"Duty is heavier than a Mountain, Death is lighter than a feather" Tai'shar Malkier
Resign him IMO, let's see what he can do while 100% healthy with RG3 and Garcon out there. I don't think we'll get fair trade value for him because he's coming off that injury. I'm all for the youth movement and Davis (assuming he's healthy) is still young and with other young players I think we'll see an even better more explosive offense.
Imagine.. Garcon, Moss, Davis, Robinson, Morgan on a 5 WR set with RG3 at the controls
ey. Save the cash.
