The Browns will edge us out for RG3

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:18 am

the zero blitz, if i recall correctly, yielded some great results for us at times--- the problem is knowing when to use it. the call in the first Cowboys game was inexcusable; it's a gamble play that you have no reason to make when you have the lead and you've got them in 3rd and 21 or whatever it was.

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:01 am

die cowboys die wrote:the zero blitz, if i recall correctly, yielded some great results for us at times--- the problem is knowing when to use it. the call in the first Cowboys game was inexcusable; it's a gamble play that you have no reason to make when you have the lead and you've got them in 3rd and 21 or whatever it was.

Oh God, don't remind me of that play.... I feel sick!!!

I hope that's a lesson learnt right there.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:57 am

1niksder wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
1niksder wrote:We could offer them Jim Hasslet and not part with the 1st next year.... they'll be looking for a DC soon

It's sad isn't Irn? Jim isn't too bad but he is no where near Greg Williams. Still, I am starting to believe in Jim. Jim's game plans are awesome but he doesn't adjust on the fly. Wish he could and maybe he will do better this year.

If he drops the zero blitz scheme

The zero blitz scheme is fine... but you need two corners that can stick like glue in coverage when you call it... and someone you can rely on to pick up the safety valve... Hall, for example, should NEVER be on the field in a zero blitz... You need a corner there with the discipline to keep his eyes out of the backfield.

+1

I don't care who you got at corner, if the QB gets enough time to make accurate throw the WR will be open (even if he is covered).

What do I mean by that? Since there is no safety help, all the QB has to do is read what side the CB is playing and throw the ball to the other side. Easy completion!

The zero blitz isn't about coverage it is about pass rush. You can't cover well enough to make it work if the QB gets any protection at all. The scene is a gamble. You're gambling that your pass rush will get there brite the qb can get a well thrown ball off. Your CB is just there to pick a poorly thrown ball, not to stop a well thrown ball, because there is no way for him to stop a well thrown ball!

That its what happen to Hall ob that play against the Cowgirls. Homo bought sone time and threw the ball to the opposite side of where Hall was and the WR ran to the ball. If you have a safety back to help, he comes up with the pick!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:12 pm

are we a little off topic here??? :roll:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:52 pm

die cowboys die wrote:the zero blitz, if i recall correctly, yielded some great results for us at times--- the problem is knowing when to use it. the call in the first Cowboys game was inexcusable; it's a gamble play that you have no reason to make when you have the lead and you've got them in 3rd and 21 or whatever it was.

This call, at that time, was actually fine... it did everything it was supposed to do, with one exception... HALL. A disciplined corner, who is on his coverage, and NOT LOOKING INTO THE FREAKING BACKFIELD OR BITING ON A WEAK HEAD FAKE, knocks that very weak pass down.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:04 pm

you've gotta love it :lol:

does anyone really care :roll:

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:32 pm

Let me float this out there. If Gregg (second g stand for girl tits) Williams gets a year or two suspension, and we need to sweeten the deal to get RG3, how about throwing in Raheem Morris as part of the trade? Or Haslett and promote Morris to our DC?

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:40 pm

SkinsJock wrote::shock: are we a little off topic here???

Thread GOT JACKED....!!!

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:17 pm

muwahahahahaha!

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:09 pm

I just spoke to my best friend who just had dinner with Matt Baldwin. For those that don't know him, he works with Bob LaMonte at Professional Sports Representation inc, who are the agents for Pat Shurmur, Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert, Brad Childress, Mark Whipple etc. seeing a trend here?????? These dudes are tied in with the Browns BIG TIME.

Anyway, he told my buddy the Browns are ALL IN for RG3. The 22nd pick is a smoke screen and are prepared to offer much more. Not trying to stir the pot, just relaying what I'm hearing from some guys on the inside.

I hope we have the ammo because I think RG3 is the one we need to aquire.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:21 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:I just spoke to my best friend who just had dinner with Matt Baldwin. For those that don't know him, he works with Bob LaMonte at Professional Sports Representation inc, who are the agents for Pat Shurmur, Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert, Brad Childress, Mark Whipple etc. seeing a trend here?????? These dudes are tied in with the Browns BIG TIME.

Anyway, he told my buddy the Browns are ALL IN for RG3. The 22nd pick is a smoke screen and are prepared to offer much more. Not trying to stir the pot, just relaying what I'm hearing from some guys on the inside.

I hope we have the ammo because I think RG3 is the one we need to aquire.

Maybe, but think critically for a moment.

What would be the point of playing games with the 22 pick? They know that the only way to beat the Skins is to use that. I also doubt that professional agents... with nothing to gain... would be talking loosely about this. It's easy to be star struck by the names... and accept opinion as fact... The fact is, the Browns have the strongest hand, and know it. This isn't poker. There's no reason to be coy. Pretending to be disinterested isn't going to lull anyone to sleep. They know that Allen will force the price up if they don't go big. I don't know... I just don't see it.

Think about it... the only time professional agents talk out of school is usually to help someone blow smoke.... They are masters of Machiavellian manipulation.

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:35 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:I just spoke to my best friend who just had dinner with Matt Baldwin. For those that don't know him, he works with Bob LaMonte at Professional Sports Representation inc, who are the agents for Pat Shurmur, Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert, Brad Childress, Mark Whipple etc. seeing a trend here?????? These dudes are tied in with the Browns BIG TIME.

Anyway, he told my buddy the Browns are ALL IN for RG3. The 22nd pick is a smoke screen and are prepared to offer much more. Not trying to stir the pot, just relaying what I'm hearing from some guys on the inside.

I hope we have the ammo because I think RG3 is the one we need to aquire.

I heard something similar only with Randy cross, the NFL analyst and former 49er who was on the radio 2 days ago. when asked about what qb is going where, without even being prompted he said well I know this, the kid from Baylor is going to Cleveland. they want him bad and are prepared (and I quote) to blow any competing offer out of the water.

when asked what do the redskins do, cross said he thinks they'll go with tannehill.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:28 am

Countertrey wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:I just spoke to my best friend who just had dinner with Matt Baldwin. For those that don't know him, he works with Bob LaMonte at Professional Sports Representation inc, who are the agents for Pat Shurmur, Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert, Brad Childress, Mark Whipple etc. seeing a trend here?????? These dudes are tied in with the Browns BIG TIME.

Anyway, he told my buddy the Browns are ALL IN for RG3. The 22nd pick is a smoke screen and are prepared to offer much more. Not trying to stir the pot, just relaying what I'm hearing from some guys on the inside.

I hope we have the ammo because I think RG3 is the one we need to aquire.

Maybe, but think critically for a moment.

What would be the point of playing games with the 22 pick? They know that the only way to beat the Skins is to use that. I also doubt that professional agents... with nothing to gain... would be talking loosely about this. It's easy to be star struck by the names... and accept opinion as fact... The fact is, the Browns have the strongest hand, and know it. This isn't poker. There's no reason to be coy. Pretending to be disinterested isn't going to lull anyone to sleep. They know that Allen will force the price up if they don't go big. I don't know... I just don't see it.

Think about it... the only time professional agents talk out of school is usually to help someone blow smoke.... They are masters of Machiavellian manipulation.

My buddy doesn't have any clout. Has no ties to the media, doesn't know anyone in the league. This is his good buddy that he went to dinner with. I don't think Matt is using my friend to blow smoke. I think it was a dinner conversation that turned to inside information that he gathered from his clients. Just like if you went to dinner with one of your buddies and he told you something in confidence. That's all I'm gonna say about it. again I'm not here to convince you how strong a scoop this is, not going to argue about what this guy knows. I know this is straight from Holmgren and Shurman's mouth, and I was just sharing some insider info.

Hope it proves to be false, but it doesn't sound like it if you knew the context of the conversation and who this guy is.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:16 am

it doesn't even matter anyway. whichever QB we end up with, his ACLs will spontaneously explode the second he signs the last letter of his name on his contract. we're going to be doomed forever.

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:55 am

die cowboys die wrote:it doesn't even matter anyway. whichever QB we end up with, his ACLs will spontaneously explode the second he signs the last letter of his name on his contract. we're going to be doomed forever.

You're such an optimist!!!!!

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:49 am

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:18 am

I plan to go back through every thread in here and find the people who said there was "no way under any circumstances that we could outbid the Browns".

Guess what? We just outbid the Browns.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:20 am

riggofan wrote:I plan to go back through every thread in here and find the people who said there was "no way under any circumstances that we could outbid the Browns".

Guess what? We just outbid the Browns.

REALLY?

just enjoy it :roll:

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:57 am

I think it's pretty interesting to see all that was going on behind the scenes. This deal was done on Thursday apparently, which shows the Manning smoke was purely that. The Browns were all in for RG3. Apparently they had 2 1's this year and a 1st next year. We outbid them with an additional pick. I really think if we didn't make this trade, it would have set this franchise back another 10 years, so I don't care about the picks. This was important. The guy has the "it" factor. He's got moxie, he can throw, he can run, he is smart, he is disciplined, he can throw accurately on the run, and most importantly, he fits our system. You can see why both teams threw all in for him.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:50 pm

riggofan wrote:I plan to go back through every thread in here and find the people who said there was "no way under any circumstances that we could outbid the Browns".

Guess what? We just outbid the Browns.

I'll save you some trouble. I said, repeatedly... if the Browns want RGIII, they will have him. Apparently, they did not want to part with the 22 pick... therefore, they did not want him as badly as the 'skins. I would stand by my statements. Had they been willing to part with both first round picks this year, their 2 this year, AND a first round pick NEXT year, that would have beat our offer, and they would have had him. They were not... and did not. Again, IF they wanted him, there would have been nothing we could do to stop them.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:54 pm

Countertrey wrote:
riggofan wrote:I plan to go back through every thread in here and find the people who said there was "no way under any circumstances that we could outbid the Browns".

Guess what? We just outbid the Browns.

I'll save you some trouble. I said, repeatedly... if the Browns want RGIII, they will have him. Apparently, they did not want to part with the 22 pick... therefore, they did not want him as badly as the 'skins. I would stand by my statements. Had they been willing to part with both first round picks this year, their 2 this year, AND a first round pick NEXT year, that would have beat our offer, and they would have had him. They were not... and did not. Again, IF they wanted him, there would have been nothing we could do to stop them.

Reports are that they tried to offer more at the last moment but the deal had already been done.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:00 pm

Point!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:01 pm

c'mon guys - this is all good

we knew that this FO would find a way to get this done

we knew that the Browns would not go too high

we knew that this FO was going to get the last shot and make the deal

I'm sure the Browns would have liked to get RGIII but they were not going to beat Mike & Bruce in that race - NO WAY

this FO did a great deal that is a win/win for both franchises

there's a lot of good about this trade that can be analyzed - there's no point in trying to make it anything else

what a great trade for Redskins fans

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:21 pm

As I have repeatedly said all along ... the Redskins absolutely needed to get a top tier QB now, and not miss this opportunity .... and if I recall correctly, I believe I said that I would personally offer 3 1's and throw in a 2 for good measure to get that deal done.

If RG3 doesn't become a legit franchise QB ... even one 1 would be too much, BUT if he lives up to his potential, he'll be worth every single one of those picks without a doubt.

It was a great move ... it needed to be done ... and I think we'll look back on this and understand that top QB talents aren't cheap ... they aren't plentiful, and when you get an opportunity to get one, you have to do whatever it takes to seal the deal, and the rewards far outweigh the costs in the long run.

And it was a great move for the Rams too. It's a win/win.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:49 pm

Good call, Ray. And, I agree. I was pretty sure they'd get it done, too... I just didn't know how high the Browns would go. It appears they did up the offer, but too late.

I think it will be a good deal for the 'skins AND the Rams... The Redskins will now use free agency to fill some holes... surely we just became more attractive to some of the FA receivers... and may even find a way to recoup that 2nd round pick...