Poll: If you had to put your money on it, who will it be..?

[SkinsJock]

^^ That's it in a nutshell - the QB issue here is more difficult to resolve because there just have not been many QBs worth going after recently in either the draft or with the free agents

that's part of the reason these guys tried effing McNabb

[jr_uscg]

Plaxico Burress predicts Dree Brees will sign with the Redskins. We all know that the Saints would never let this happen. Chase Daniels is also available, would you bring him back after playing under Drew for three years? Something to think about.....

[Countertrey]

Plaxico Burress predicts Dree Brees will sign with the Redskins. We all know that the Saints would never let this happen. Chase Daniels is also available, would you bring him back after playing under Drew for three years? Something to think about.....

Plaxico also predicted that it was safe to stick a gun in his pocket, and no one in New York would be the wiser...

just sayin'.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Fisher and Mike are good friends, I wouldn't be shocked to see a trade leaning in the Skins favor.... #shrug

If I were to get a fairly similar trade (off by a draft pick or two) from two people, one being a friend, the other just a coworker... Imma give my friend the deal, even if it's a bit less.

[SkinsJock]

The Rams are in a pretty good place - they have a QB that looks like he could be very good for many years PLUS they are going to get a bunch of guys to put around him - or .....
they can take RGIII and build around him

[emoses14]

Orton doesn't do it for me, and according to the poll anyone else either (apart from one person), so if Flynn or Manning aint happening then we're forced to take a QB in the draft. That means a trade up for RGIII and taking less players for other key positions or taking Tannehill, who would need a little work before he's a starter. Maybe.

Orton doesn't do anything for me either. If the Skins announce in a few weeks that they signed Orton or they re-signed Rex I will feel about the same either way.

I just didn't think the comments about Orton v. Tebow really have much bearing on whether or not the Skins should take a look at him. The guy is a journeyman QB who has been better than average at times. (Gus Frerotte anyone?) If they think he could play as well as Rex minus the insane turnovers, I could see him as a placeholder for Tannehill or a backup for RGIII. He could have better opportunities than that though.

Options at QB are pretty depressing this year, aren't they??

That is the reason why I'm most in favor of bringing in Orton and dropping Rex and punting on Beck till his contract expires (since I don't think we have to make a move on him and have no idea if it will be more costly to keep or cut, I'm assuming less costly to just keep). Even if Orton is no better than Rex, talent wise, I KNOW he won't be the turnover machine that Rex is. Without looking up their numbers, I happen to know for a fact that no one on planet earth is as turnover prone as Rex Grossman. He. Will. Never. Change.

Also, I don't really want Rex GROSSman ANYWHERE near RGIII (I'm not giving up my sincere desire we get him until someone else picks him).

[ATX_Skins]

Plaxico Burress predicts Dree Brees will sign with the Redskins. We all know that the Saints would never let this happen. Chase Daniels is also available, would you bring him back after playing under Drew for three years? Something to think about.....

Plaxico also predicted that it was safe to stick a gun in his pocket, and no one in New York would be the wiser...

just sayin'.

It wasn't in his pocket. The moron had it tucked in his waistband, with a round in the chamber.

I got your point though

[riggofan]

That is the reason why I'm most in favor of bringing in Orton and dropping Rex and punting on Beck till his contract expires (since I don't think we have to make a move on him and have no idea if it will be more costly to keep or cut, I'm assuming less costly to just keep). Even if Orton is no better than Rex, talent wise, I KNOW he won't be the turnover machine that Rex is. Without looking up their numbers, I happen to know for a fact that no one on planet earth is as turnover prone as Rex Grossman. He. Will. Never. Change.

I think you make a good argument. Then again, in this scenario I think we're kind of re-playing the Bears 2005-2007 seasons. Maybe we should just stay clear of both of these bums and take a chance on Matt Flynn. haha.

[1niksder]

That is the reason why I'm most in favor of bringing in Orton and dropping Rex and punting on Beck till his contract expires (since I don't think we have to make a move on him and have no idea if it will be more costly to keep or cut, I'm assuming less costly to just keep). Even if Orton is no better than Rex, talent wise, I KNOW he won't be the turnover machine that Rex is. Without looking up their numbers, I happen to know for a fact that no one on planet earth is as turnover prone as Rex Grossman. He. Will. Never. Change.

I think you make a good argument. Then again, in this scenario I think we're kind of re-playing the Bears 2005-2007 seasons. Maybe we should just stay clear of both of these bums and take a chance on Matt Flynn. haha.

Works for me....

FYI emoses, Beck being released would save the team $1.3M in cap space, believe it or not (I still can't), but Beck's 2011 performance kicked in escalators that moved his 2013 Base Salary from $1M to $1.3M

If they don't cut him they'll basically will be giving him a raise because of last years 3 game appearance.

[The Hogster]

I'll rank them in order of likelihood from most likely to least.

1. RGII (I believe that the Skins have a better chance to trade up and select RG3**with the caveat being that they want him enough to pay a hefty price).

2. Tannenhill - I think the Skins next most likely option for landing a new QB would be to either select Tannenhill in Round 2, or slide down in the first and take him there)

3. Peyton Manning (While I don't believe that this is likely to happen at all, I am putting him in this spot merely because I think it will be tough for the Skins to trot out RG3Ints again next year)

4. Rex Grossman (There is a chance, probably a decent chance though I'd hate to see it, that Rex is our starter next year. But, on the bright side, the only way I think that he is, is if we have drafted a guy like Tannenhill, or Weeden and he's holding down the fort for the first month or 2 of the season).

I'll go out on a limb, and put my money on a trade down scenario in which the Skins draft 3 players in the Top 38--one of whom is Weeden or Tannenhill.

[riggofan]

I'll rank them in order of likelihood from most likely to least.

1. RGII (I believe that the Skins have a better chance to trade up and select RG3**with the caveat being that they want him enough to pay a hefty price).

2. Tannenhill - I think the Skins next most likely option for landing a new QB would be to either select Tannenhill in Round 2, or slide down in the first and take him there)

3. Peyton Manning (While I don't believe that this is likely to happen at all, I am putting him in this spot merely because I think it will be tough for the Skins to trot out RG3Ints again next year)

4. Rex Grossman (There is a chance, probably a decent chance though I'd hate to see it, that Rex is our starter next year. But, on the bright side, the only way I think that he is, is if we have drafted a guy like Tannenhill, or Weeden and he's holding down the fort for the first month or 2 of the season).

I'll go out on a limb, and put my money on a trade down scenario in which the Skins draft 3 players in the Top 38--one of whom is Weeden or Tannenhill.

RG3INTS. LOL. Love it.

Good list. And I don't know, for some reason I'm thinking its more and more likely that we do move up for RGIII. Maybe because the alternatives to that are all either dismal or dicey.

I was going to add too that if RGIII were to become a long term franchise guy like Rivers or Eli Manning or whatever, no one will ever remember or care if we paid a hefty price to move up to get him.

[emoses14]

That is the reason why I'm most in favor of bringing in Orton and dropping Rex and punting on Beck till his contract expires (since I don't think we have to make a move on him and have no idea if it will be more costly to keep or cut, I'm assuming less costly to just keep). Even if Orton is no better than Rex, talent wise, I KNOW he won't be the turnover machine that Rex is. Without looking up their numbers, I happen to know for a fact that no one on planet earth is as turnover prone as Rex Grossman. He. Will. Never. Change.

I think you make a good argument. Then again, in this scenario I think we're kind of re-playing the Bears 2005-2007 seasons. Maybe we should just stay clear of both of these bums and take a chance on Matt Flynn. haha.

Works for me....

FYI emoses, Beck being released would save the team $1.3M in cap space, believe it or not (I still can't), but Beck's 2011 performance kicked in escalators that moved his 2013 Base Salary from $1M to $1.3M

If they don't cut him they'll basically will be giving him a raise because of last years 3 game appearance.

Thank you, my good sir. . . wait. . . there were PERFORMANCE ESCALATORS in Beck's contract that were TRIGGERED?? What in Christ's name were they; receive snap from center 10 times in row, collect $200? Be dressed every game day, collect $500?

Oh, it was simply to appear in x# of games. Wow, that seems like a sweet deal. Show up, play like *sh$t*, here's $300,000. That's not a Redskins issue, that's just the business of sports contracting.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

I think you make a good argument. Then again, in this scenario I think we're kind of re-playing the Bears 2005-2007 seasons. Maybe we should just stay clear of both of these bums and take a chance on Matt Flynn. haha.

Works for me....

FYI emoses, Beck being released would save the team $1.3M in cap space, believe it or not (I still can't), but Beck's 2011 performance kicked in escalators that moved his 2013 Base Salary from $1M to $1.3M

If they don't cut him they'll basically will be giving him a raise because of last years 3 game appearance.

Thank you, my good sir. . . wait. . . there were PERFORMANCE ESCALATORS in Beck's contract that were TRIGGERED?? What in Christ's name were they; receive snap from center 10 times in row, collect $200? Be dressed every game day, collect $500?

Oh, it was simply to appear in x# of games. Wow, that seems like a sweet deal. Show up, play like *sh$t*, here's $300,000. That's not a Redskins issue, that's just the business of sports contracting.

Scary.

If that were any other team it would be funny.

A pay rise for performances so poor that they effectively ended his career..

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[StorminMormon86]

As much as it pains me to say this, my money is on Kyle Orton starting for the Redskins in 2012 as a placeholder for whichever rookie we draft. I do not see Manning coming to the Redskins, because that would mean Kyle would be out of a job. Flynn will almost certainly be going to Miami, since they need a starter and also since Philbin is there now. Plus, I've heard that the Skins were not interested in Flynn anyway because they weren't impressed by his arm strength. I also think there's a small chance we trade up to get RGIII, but by most accounts he wouldn't be ready to start week 1 anyway, so we would need a "veteran" to bridge the gap, IMO. (I still think Cleveland is going to trade up and get RGIII) That leaves us with Kyle Orton, the only other free agent there have been rumors about coming to DC. I believe Orton (although some might say they're interchangeable) would be a definite upgrade over Grossman. I don't necessarily want Orton on this team next year, but if Flynn, Manning, and RGIII are not available what else do we have to pick from? I think we could get the same production out of Orton that we got with Grossman last year, but with less turnovers. Maybe we can shoot for 8-8 in 2012?

[SouthLondonRedskin]

I think that if we were to resign our key players, bring in some talent at the right spots, avoid the kind of injuries we had last year and had Orton at QB then we'd do better than 8-8. I think 9-7 or 10-6 is possible.

Orton doesn't do it for me, but last season would have been about 8-8 with a QB who threw more touchdowns than ints at the helm. And if we had less serious injuries or more strength in depth.

The problem is we'd always fall short against a decent team so the playoffs would be a brief affair.

Shanny could go for the Orton option with one eye on next years QBs in the draft, but its a big risk and time is not on his side. Another losing season and he could be out of a job. This may force his hand and trade up for RGIII. I hope.

In fact drafting RGIII could guarantee Shanny a job no matter what we do next year as it would confirm that we're building a new young team and it would bring a lot of excitement to the area. A bit of RGIII mania if you like.

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[Deadskins]

The problem is we'd always fall short against a decent team so the playoffs would be a brief affair.

Tell that to the G-strings.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

The problem is we'd always fall short against a decent team so the playoffs would be a brief affair.

Tell that to the G-strings.

True. But I'd fancy us against them every time but not so much against Green Bay, New England, Pittsburgh, etc.

[CanesSkins26]

The problem is we'd always fall short against a decent team so the playoffs would be a brief affair.

Tell that to the G-strings.

Eli is a franchise qb, Orton is mediocre, at best. That's the difference.

[CanesSkins26]

I think that if we were to resign our key players, bring in some talent at the right spots, avoid the kind of injuries we had last year and had Orton at QB then we'd do better than 8-8. I think 9-7 or 10-6 is possible.

Orton doesn't do it for me, but last season would have been about 8-8 with a QB who threw more touchdowns than ints at the helm. And if we had less serious injuries or more strength in depth.

I disagree. Orton is marginally better than Rex. We certainly had problems at qb, but we also need major upgrades at wide receiver, more depth on the oline, help in the secondary, etc. A better qb will help, but it isn't going to solve all of our problems.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

I think that if we were to resign our key players, bring in some talent at the right spots, avoid the kind of injuries we had last year and had Orton at QB then we'd do better than 8-8. I think 9-7 or 10-6 is possible.

Orton doesn't do it for me, but last season would have been about 8-8 with a QB who threw more touchdowns than ints at the helm. And if we had less serious injuries or more strength in depth.

I disagree. Orton is marginally better than Rex. We certainly had problems at qb, but we also need major upgrades at wide receiver, more depth on the oline, help in the secondary, etc. A better qb will help, but it isn't going to solve all of our problems.

No, don't get me wrong, I agree we have issues at all those positions and they need to be addressed. My point is that we're not as bad a team as our record may suggest in my opinion. If we had a better QB and better luck with injuries we could easily have won 3 or 4 more games than we did.

So bringing in someone like Orton would improve the team in theory but only to a degree, and not enough to win anything big.

We MUST improve at all the positions you pointed out, the question that we need to know the answer to is: Does Shanny think we can do that still if we trade up for RGIII or does he believe someone like Orton or Tannehill can lead this team to success if they draft well with all the picks we wouldn't lose by going for RGIII..?

We can all speculate all we want, what counts is what is in Shanny's head as he is making the decisions that we all feel so strongly about.

Yes, an Orton or Tannehill can improve the team simply by throwing less fecking interceptions than TDs, but would they be a long term, Championship winning answer to our problems...? In my opinion, no.

But if Shanny believes so we have to buy into it and see what happens, right....? I mean, h;s the one with all the experience. He's done it, he's won Superbowls. None of us have done that....

[StorminMormon86]

I could live with Orton as long as we drafted a QB (be it RGIII or Tannehill or anyone for that matter). If Shanahan does pass on RGIII and takes a guy like Tannehill, I wonder if Shanahan is out of a job if 2012 is another losing season? Or would he get a pass because he at least drafted a young QB to groom?