CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree with what you say about Rex, but look at the highlights from the Detroit game. No pressure, open receivers, going to his first read every play and not really having to make decisions, and on the deep td to Nelson he under threw him (Flynn's arm is at best the same as Rex's). Under those kind of circumstances lots of mediocre qbs would do well.
Fair enough.
I didn't know Flynn had a weak arm tho... Kinda sucks.
CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree with what you say about Rex, but look at the highlights from the Detroit game. No pressure, open receivers, going to his first read every play and not really having to make decisions, and on the deep td to Nelson he under threw him (Flynn's arm is at best the same as Rex's). Under those kind of circumstances lots of mediocre qbs would do well.
Fair enough.
I didn't know Flynn had a weak arm tho... Kinda sucks.
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TD #4 - Ball is on the Packers 42 yard line. The play is a play-action post route, against a single high safety(one of my favorite plays). The safety, again, is out of position, and can't get back to help. The rule of a safety, is that they should always be as deep as the deepest man, and obviously he was not. Excellent pass by Flynn. The ball travels 50 yards in the air, so he shows decent arm strength.
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Also you can make the argument that we don't know what the true first read of the play was. He may have come to the line and determined his first and second read on the play would not work based on the defense but the third read would be open. We really have no idea because we don't know the play that was called, nor the read progressions.
frankcal20 wrote:Also you can make the argument that we don't know what the true first read of the play was. He may have come to the line and determined his first and second read on the play would not work based on the defense but the third read would be open. We really have no idea because we don't know the play that was called, nor the read progressions.
Grossman will be gone come next year, IMO. The man shows no confidence in any of his interviews about where he think he'll wind up next year. Good riddance! Cleveland has stated they most likely won't go after Flynn, so hopefully (unless the Packers franchise him, which is highly unlikely) we'll grab him before someone else does.
There is a period of time when almost EVERYTHING you here is either false or intended to mislead
I enjoy the speculation - almost everything you think will happen with trades and player acquisitions are not happening
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
StorminMormon86 wrote:Grossman will be gone come next year, IMO.
I will be really curious to see if you are right about this. The guy did start 13 games this year and finish the season as the starter. Unless he gets an offer in FA to start somewhere else, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't accept an offer to return to Washington to compete for the job again.
Really hard to imagine one of the other 31 teams would make a strong move to sign him.
riggofan wrote:Really hard to imagine one of the other 31 teams would make a strong move to sign him.
I don't think he'll be playing anywhere next year.
I highly doubt that, but I guess we'll see in a few months! I'm mostly curious to see what plays out with him and the Redskins. Beck too for that matter.
riggofan wrote:Really hard to imagine one of the other 31 teams would make a strong move to sign him.
I don't think he'll be playing anywhere next year.
You're letting your hatred of Grossman totally cloud your judgement. As much as he sucks as a starter, Grossman is a very capable backup. Just look around the NFL at some of the garbage qbs that are on NFL rosters. Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, Mark Brunell, Kellen Clemens, John Beck, etc. Rex might not get a chance to compete for a starting job, but he'll be on somebody's roster.
I agree. There will be an opportunity for him to play next year based on his experience and not just in the reg. season but in post season play. Like Canes said, if you look around the league and you look at the opportunities that other QBs have had, he'll have a chance. As much bad as he's shown, he has shown an ability to put up points but it's got to be the right system and with the right coach who thinks they can coach him up. As much as players have EGO's, Coaches are even worse.
I like Grossman, but he does make some bad judgment calls and has a weak arm. What I like is he can throw an INT and go right back out there and chunk the ball like nothing happened. The guy has a very short memory and not all these INT's were his fault. Keep him as a back-up and sign Flynn. The word is that GreenBay will use their francise Tag on Finley, which makes sense. Then we can move back in the draft and get some more young blood. Then win the NFC East next year. Done...
CanesSkins26 wrote:You're letting your hatred of Grossman totally cloud your judgement. As much as he sucks as a starter, Grossman is a very capable backup. Just look around the NFL at some of the garbage qbs that are on NFL rosters. Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, Mark Brunell, Kellen Clemens, John Beck, etc. Rex might not get a chance to compete for a starting job, but he'll be on somebody's roster.
Wrong. There is nothign "capable" about this man. A backup is someone who can come in when your starter sucks or goes down, and performs at a decent enough level. You wouldn't be cringing if next year our starter got hurt in the middle of a close game and out trots Rex? He may be a capable practice squad QB, but NOT a 2nd string backup.
CanesSkins26 wrote:You're letting your hatred of Grossman totally cloud your judgement. As much as he sucks as a starter, Grossman is a very capable backup. Just look around the NFL at some of the garbage qbs that are on NFL rosters. Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, Mark Brunell, Kellen Clemens, John Beck, etc. Rex might not get a chance to compete for a starting job, but he'll be on somebody's roster.
Wrong. There is nothign "capable" about this man. A backup is someone who can come in when your starter sucks or goes down, and performs at a decent enough level. You wouldn't be cringing if next year our starter got hurt in the middle of a close game and out trots Rex? He may be a capable practice squad QB, but NOT a 2nd string backup.
Yeah, you're def going overboard. I agree with CanesSkins. Rex is def a capable backup. If next years starter was out for 2 week, Rex could get us at least one win, maybe 2 if he's feeling frisky. It's totally arguable that if he hadn't been benched (which he did to himself), this team could have made it to .500.
There are still several other options at FA that we could sign in the offseason that would be definite upgrades over having Rex as a backup. Don't you think Kyle Orton or David Garrard could come in and eek out 2 wins better than Rex?
StorminMormon86 wrote:There are still several other options at FA that we could sign in the offseason that would be definite upgrades over having Rex as a backup. Don't you think Kyle Orton or David Garrard could come in and eek out 2 wins better than Rex?
Rex knows the offense. He has a relationship and experience with the players.
It wouldn't be worth the headache or the money to bring in someone else. With an upgraded WR corps and offensive line, if Rex had to come in he'd potentially fare better.
StorminMormon86 wrote:There are still several other options at FA that we could sign in the offseason that would be definite upgrades over having Rex as a backup. Don't you think Kyle Orton or David Garrard could come in and eek out 2 wins better than Rex?
Rex knows the offense. He has a relationship and experience with the players.
It wouldn't be worth the headache or the money to bring in someone else. With an upgraded WR corps and offensive line, if Rex had to come in he'd potentially fare better.
The analysis of your back up qb has to be different than the analysis of your starter, unless your back up is a young draftee you're grooming for eventual starter hood. As much as I despise the sex cannon, I'm not upset at the prospect of him being the back up to [drafted franchise qb name here] or even playing the first game or 3 if the kid isn't fully ready.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
emoses14 wrote:The analysis of your back up qb has to be different than the analysis of your starter, unless your back up is a young draftee you're grooming for eventual starter hood. As much as I despise the sex cannon, I'm not upset at the prospect of him being the back up to [drafted franchise qb name here] or even playing the first game or 3 if the kid isn't fully ready.
IMO, the Skins may land a FA QB and draft one. That's 3 QB's. Beck is a non-factor. Rex assumes the role of the mentor and 2nd QB until the rookie gets to a point where he's not completely lost. If we get 10 games into the season, if the rookie can handle it, put him in. Eventually Rex will be cast away... Like a leper #jokervoice
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Rex knows the offense. He has a relationship and experience with the players.
It wouldn't be worth the headache or the money to bring in someone else. With an upgraded WR corps and offensive line, if Rex had to come in he'd potentially fare better.
Both Shanahan's have said that they do not need a QB who has experience in their "system" to run the team because it's not that hard to run. Kyle Shanahan (in a read between the lines type of way) basically said the starting QB in 2012 was not on the roster this year. I don't see the hope that others see in keeping Grossman around for another year.
StorminMormon86 wrote:Both Shanahan's have said that they do not need a QB who has experience in their "system" to run the team because it's not that hard to run. Kyle Shanahan (in a read between the lines type of way) basically said the starting QB in 2012 was not on the roster this year. I don't see the hope that others see in keeping Grossman around for another year.
Neither of those quotes have anything to do with the backup. Fine, the starter won't have any experience in this system. That has nothing to do with having an experienced backup who can act as a liaison between the coaches and the new talent.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Rex knows the offense. He has a relationship and experience with the players.
It wouldn't be worth the headache or the money to bring in someone else. With an upgraded WR corps and offensive line, if Rex had to come in he'd potentially fare better.
Both Shanahan's have said that they do not need a QB who has experience in their "system" to run the team because it's not that hard to run. Kyle Shanahan (in a read between the lines type of way) basically said the starting QB in 2012 was not on the roster this year. I don't see the hope that others see in keeping Grossman around for another year.
Unless Grossman's demands are unreasonable, he will be here. It's a no brainer.
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Red_One43 wrote:Now that the Dolphins have signed the Pcakers Offensive Coordinator, what are the chances that Matt Flynn signs with the Dolphins?
WAY up there.
I'm really amazed by that Joe Philbin story btw. The guy just lost his son, coached in a playoff game, interviewed for and was hired as the head coach of the Dolphins in the past two weeks. I'm not sure I could get out of bed if I lost one of my kids. Blows my mind!
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