Post Game Redskins vs. Vikes

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:37 pm

1. On the second Redskin series, Royster carried 2 straight times for 12 yards. Then Kyle goes to the air and Grossman fumbles. When you are having that much success running (Royster 3-16) at the time of the fumble, you can say pound it till they stop it. They never did. Royster 19-132.

2. Great finishing sack by Fletch, he will probably get fine, but knocking Ponder out of the game, was not a good thing (Not saying it was his fault -stuff happens).

3. Second straight year, Gerhart has a big game against us after replacing Petersen. Tough injury for Pete, but it was not a good thing for us. Stuff happens.

4. Opposing loose balls continue to have favorable bounces for the opposition. Gerharts and Aromashodu's fumbles.

5. 2 minute offense is a joke.

6. Second straight year against the Vikes, Banks has a key long TD nullified

7. Can we beat a rookie QB?

8. Continue to play down to competition.

9. Can't stop mobile QBs.

10. Keep a safety back on zero blitzes - of course, then it wouldn't be a zero blitz

11. Grossman keeps his two turnover average going.

12. And a partridge in a pear tree - Merry Christmas!

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:35 pm

Pretty much my thoughts, Red One. An ugly and forgettable game. I couldn't believe it when we came out passing like that . . . and then after the run game looked good, went back to passing some more. Just when I thought Kyle had learned a valuable lesson.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:35 am

I just read that Gano has been perfect in four straight games btw. Wish he could do that when we weren't eliminated from the playoffs.

Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all!!!

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:38 am

On a side note.....Peterson tore ACL AND MCL. Such are the risks involved in this game.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:34 am

tribeofjudah wrote:On a side note.....Peterson tore ACL AND MCL. Such are the risks involved in this game.

I was sitting in the end zone on that side of the field when it happened. When Peterson started pounding his fist and kicking his good leg, I knew that it was at least an ACL. I had never seen a guy get injured up close like that. It is pretty gruesome to see it up close and in person. The Ponder sack came right after that. Fletch cleaned his clock. I couldn't believe that Ponder stayed in for one more play.

Who would have thought that those two injuries would turn the game in the Vikes favor.

When I saw Webb warming up, I said, Uh Oh, we are in trouble, but I didn't think that Gerhart would break so many tackles like that and get a 60 plus yard run.

Mobile QBs and Big Backs (Brandon Jacobs has been a sore spot for us until this season), two problems that need fixing for next season.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:20 am

Play calling is getting better as the running game starts to pick up. The passing game will be what it is until they get someone that can play QB. Just like the running game opens up the passing game, Kyle has to call pass plays to keep the defense honest. Again this would be better when they get someone that can play QB.

They actually never made helmet to helmet contact with Ponder but he did knock the snot out of him... I doubt there will be any repercussions for the hit when he slid or the hit from London.

The two minute drill wasn't a joke but it wasn't great either, at least for once the two minute drill looked like a hurry up. Monty may be moving back to guard next year.

Banks was robbed as there was no holding on that play by Young... Allen slipped and fell, Young had nothing to do with it as he slipped and fell too. He didn't even fall on Allen. That BAD call changed the game.

Gano was dogged all off-season for not being able to hit from 50+ yards... he's now tied for the Redskins record for consecutive 50 yards or longer FG made.

Rookie QBs are a mystery to this team as they are now something like 0-8 against rookies. However it was Webb and the option that gave the defense fits this game. It's obvious they didn't prepare for the posibillity of Webb lining up under center for this game.

This was the only game I attended this year and I was thinking Grossman was on a roll and it was no way he would screw this up, I didn't really mind the fumble because I knew Rex would be Rex. Bad Rex early in the game is normally something they can get pass, but that pass he threw... OK I still have no idea who he was throwing to... set a record for consecative games throwing a pick for a Redskins QB made me wish I had stayed in sunny Floridia. At any rate the Redskins didn't lose much ground in the draft order so I wasn't all that upset. The plan was to come up and watch McNabb get destroyed when I made plans for this holiday trip. In the McNabb destroyed himself and I still got to see the Skins this year.

As I always say this time of year Happy Christmas and Merry New Year TH.n fam. Be safe and remember the reason for season.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:06 am

I feel terrible for AD. He's my fav RB in the league and IMO the best in the league. SMH... Gruesome injury.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:51 am

Nothing new.

We knew this would be a losing season and HOPEFULLY an 8 - 8 season. It did not happen but we know why. No need to repeat once more where are the priorities.

Merry Christmas to all!

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:02 pm

1niksder wrote:Play calling is getting better as the running game starts to pick up. The passing game will be what it is until they get someone that can play QB. Just like the running game opens up the passing game, Kyle has to call pass plays to keep the defense honest. Again this would be better when they get someone that can play QB.

They actually never made helmet to helmet contact with Ponder but he did knock the snot out of him... I doubt there will be any repercussions for the hit when he slid or the hit from London.

The two minute drill wasn't a joke but it wasn't great either, at least for once the two minute drill looked like a hurry up. Monty may be moving back to guard next year.

Banks was robbed as there was no holding on that play by Young... Allen slipped and fell, Young had nothing to do with it as he slipped and fell too. He didn't even fall on Allen. That BAD call changed the game.

Gano was dogged all off-season for not being able to hit from 50+ yards... he's now tied for the Redskins record for consecutive 50 yards or longer FG made.

Rookie QBs are a mystery to this team as they are now something like 0-8 against rookies. However it was Webb and the option that gave the defense fits this game. It's obvious they didn't prepare for the posibillity of Webb lining up under center for this game.

This was the only game I attended this year and I was thinking Grossman was on a roll and it was no way he would screw this up, I didn't really mind the fumble because I knew Rex would be Rex. Bad Rex early in the game is normally something they can get pass, but that pass he threw... OK I still have no idea who he was throwing to... set a record for consecative games throwing a pick for a Redskins QB made me wish I had stayed in sunny Floridia. At any rate the Redskins didn't lose much ground in the draft order so I wasn't all that upset. The plan was to come up and watch McNabb get destroyed when I made plans for this holiday trip. In the McNabb destroyed himself and I still got to see the Skins this year.

As I always say this time of year Happy Christmas and Merry New Year TH.n fam. Be safe and remember the reason for season.

Hope you are right about no fine for Fletch. I saw it upclose but from behind Ponder so I could not tell if he hit helmet to helmet. You right that he knocked the snot out of him. So did Doughty early on.

Yeah, with out the Webb combination with Ponder, I doubt if the rookie string would have continued.

I called the two minute drill a joke because I thought Stallworth should have headed straight for the sidelines and out of bounds on that play before the bad snap. Then Grossman had to stop and talk to the receiver which, for whaterever reason, caused Monty to snap the ball, which caused the penalty, which resulted in the 10 second run-off. That was a joke, but I have to agree that had that not happened, they did look good. We did get the ball in position for one Hail Mary and that doesn't happen often for us.

Gano defintely looked good.

Banks - I went sit with my friends on 50 yard line on the 200 level when this play happened. 2nd and 1 or 2, I thought is was a great call at the right time. Of course, I am not up close on this play, but I saw what I thought was holding by at least two players and knew right away that it was coming back. Two Vikes were being denied the outside by grips on their jerseys. I didn't hear who was called for the holding, because of all the cheering in the stands. Just like last year, a lot of folks were not aware. I haven't seen replays, but the two officials that threw there flags were on the backside. The officials closest to the play didn't call anything.

On the Rex INT, one of my friends, said that he believes that Moss broke of his route into post and the ball was already in the air when he did so my friend believes that that one was on Moss. Don't know myself and will just go with the facts - INT for Grossman. Receivers breaking off routes happens to every QB, but it seems to happen more with Rex.

Had McNabb been QB, it would have been an easy win for us. Dirt ball here and dirt ball there.

Merry Christmas to and a Happy New Year to you, 1Nik.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:05 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Nothing new.

We knew this would be a losing season and HOPEFULLY an 8 - 8 season. It did not happen but we know why. No need to repeat once more where are the priorities.

Merry Christmas to all!

I agree. Let's hope for one final, strong showing to kick off another off season. We have more than a few reasons to be optimistic.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:06 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Nothing new.

We knew this would be a losing season and HOPEFULLY an 8 - 8 season. It did not happen but we know why. No need to repeat once more where are the priorities.

Merry Christmas to all!

I agree. Let's hope for one final, strong showing to kick off another off season. We have more than a few reasons to be optimistic.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:27 pm

Is there any clearer presentation that the Redskins need a new quarterback than this game provided? How many time now has Rex thrown an interception on the last or next to last drive? 5 that I know of. It seems like every time he screws up, there is cadre of people saying "it was the receivers fault" or "it should have been interference". Sounds like old times when Jason Campbell was here. No bad Rex, good Rex. Rex Grossman is playing like Rex Grossman has always played. This is what he was in Chicago and this is what he will always be. Our defense isn't as good as Chicago's was to overcome his mistakes. Look at it another way, Chicago got to the Super Bowl in spite of him. And no, Beck is not the answer, he proved that earlier this year.

Brandon Banks has had 4 touchdowns called back because of penalties in the last 2 years. I really feel sorry for the guy.

Seems we are now set at running back with Helu and Royster.

Strange how the O - line seems to get better at the end of every year. Makes you think they may be great next year and then they fall apart.

It may not matter where we draft unless it is in the top 4 or 5, there will not be a quarterback available. We may have to mortgage the future to get a good one. One consolation, our team is relatively young. I would hate to mortgage the future but there will not be a quality quarterback in Free Agency. Jason Campbell will probably be the best available and I seruously doubt that Shanahan will take him back.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:37 pm

These come from Dan Steinberg's (Wash Post) Best/Worst

Worst Special Teams: One of these teams missed a field goal and an extra point and put a kickoff out of bounds, and it wasn’t the home team.

If you told me before the game, that this would happen, I would have bet on the Skins. It was the Vikes and they still won.

Worst Joke: Anything about Vikings tight end Kyle Rudolph catching a touchdown on Christmas Eve.

That was the worst joke. Just as bad as the - RGIII will most likely be playing for the Skins next year joke- that be Rex Grossman the 3rd season.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... _blog.html

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:55 am

Some observations:

The holding call on the Banks return was straight up BS officiating attempting to protect a "star player". There was no hold, Allen tripped and it was obvious on the replay.

I also thought the Doughty hit on Ponder was legal. It was simultaneous...Ponder was sliding and Doughty was diving, and I also didn't see any helmet to helmet contact on the hit.

Royster was very impressive today. I had no idea Helu was hurt until the 2nd quarter. At least the Royster/Helu combo is something to look forward to next year.

How the hell did our D let some guy named "Joe Webb" score TWO TDS on us?

Does anyone else feel angry everytime Rex drops back in the pocket? Another costly interception from Rex. As a matter of fact, that's the only consistent thing Rex has done all year...throw costly interceptions when we're down a score. And there are those advocating him to start here next year?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:57 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
The holding call on the Banks return was straight up BS officiating attempting to protect a "star player". There was no hold, Allen tripped and it was obvious on the replay.
I saw the replay today, it looks like Young reached his hands out trip Allen. Even if the hands didn't actually make contact, the Head Ref and and another ref from the backside made the call, so I could see how they thought Allen was grabbed around the ankles and tripped especially when those type of calls seem to go against the Skins. Clearly Allen's trip did not effect the play. The outside receiver appeared to be grabbing the DBs jersey, but that official made know call, so all of the Refs werent' biased.

I also thought the Doughty hit on Ponder was legal. It was simultaneous...Ponder was sliding and Doughty was diving, and I also didn't see any helmet to helmet contact on the hit.
Clearly legal. I can't help but remember Grossman getting clocked in the Dallas OT game just before Gano's miss and the Ref saying that he was in the act of sliding - no foul.

Royster was very impressive today. I had no idea Helu was hurt until the 2nd quarter. At least the Royster/Helu combo is something to look forward to next year.
I anticipated that - he was pretty banged up and living here DC, that was the talk all week.

How the hell did our D let some guy named "Joe Webb" score TWO TDS on us?

Trivia question - When is the last time, we stopped a running QB with designed runs. Glad we didn't and don't play the Broncos this year.

Does anyone else feel angry everytime Rex drops back in the pocket? Another costly interception from Rex. As a matter of fact, that's the only consistent thing Rex has done all year...throw costly interceptions when we're down a score. And there are those advocating him to start here next year?

In the beginning of the season, with each game, I got high anxiety everytime he dropped back. Now, I accept it. I thought that with more experience in this offense, he would improve, BUT, I can't help but remember Darthmonk's post of a quote of a sportswriter that said, "Grossman is the worst decision making QB of our generation." That quote says it all.

Should he start next year? We might not have a choice - depends on who Shanny gets.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:42 am

very disapointing game - we just lacked the desire that we have seen

This FO has to find a QB to start here next season and hopefully draft a future great QB
the rest of the team will see a bunch of young, very aggressive players competing for playing time

not a well played game but there were moments of something to build on
I liked the effort from both Royster and Helu

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:56 am

SkinsJock wrote:very disapointing game - we just lacked the desire that we have seen

This FO has to find a QB to start here next season and hopefully draft a future great QB
the rest of the team will see a bunch of young, very aggressive players competing for playing time

not a well played game but there were moments of something to build on
I liked the effort from both Royster and Helu

I might be wrong, very wrong, but I had the impression that the Team, or rather the coaches, did not do their best to win on purpose. Terrible 2 min drill looked almost deliberate.

Draft pick number? Maybe.

All I know is that, even with Bad Rex doing his usual damage, this team is better than Minny this year if it had been coached up to win. Not a throw out game, just enough not to win. I suspect they already know who they want as 1st Pick.

I hope but do not expect us to win against Philthy. Nobody will remember this coming potential loss in a meaningless game but everybody will remember our 1st pick in the next Draft.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:45 pm

You might have something there RiC - the way the game was going I felt that we were going to win this game

I know that the different style at QB bothered our D some but ...

Win or lose this week - I hope that we see a lot more intensity and desire than we saw last Saturday