Post Game - Redskins- Giants

[GoSkins]

You all do realize that had we won both of the Cowboy Games (and we were inches from winning both ans should have won both), we would be the Division leader right now, with 2 games left?

Based on our performance against the Pats, and other tough losses this year .... I think too many fans and analysts underestimate the talent on this team.

Exactly right Ray!!! This has been the case though for a few years not just this one. I think we really are going in the right direction even though I am not a fan of rat face and Has. Has doesn't have much to offer when making second half adjustments and Mike doesn't want to adapt to his talent. Imagine if they did...

The other thing I will say was the Beck experiment. I understand it. I would have benched Rex too but I wouldn't have taken his job away unless he had another repeat performance. I think it takes 2 or 3 bad games in a row before you take away your QB and put him on the bench. We might have won a game or two if that didn't happen.

This is why I've been particularly critical of the Coaching staff, and especially concerning Kyle. The game that got Rex benched was a bad, bad game ... and the quick hook was ill conceived in retrospect ... but it was to a large measure due to the inaccurate analysis of Beck's skill and ability, by guess who? Kyle really thought they had something there with Beck. Unfortunately, that was the second time he was wrong about the same guy!!!

Here's what we know ... when Rexy is on his game, the Redskins are competitive and can play with anyone. But he's just too inconsistent to be relied upon, and when he get's lots of pressure, he throws it up for grabs. But I think he has value as a backup to whomever we bring in from the draft, and we should keep him. I like his attitude, and cockiness as a QB.

With that said, I think the Reskins should go ALL OUT to get Luck. He will wind up being worth to this team whatever we have to pay Indy to get him. Two 1's and two 2's ..... three 1's and a 2 ... whatever it takes. Luck is a guy you can build a team around, and we already have several young pieces, and a couple of solid vets for him to work with.

I think Indy could be convinced to take one of the other guys as a project QB, and capitalize on the added picks to fix their other needs. We could get our franchise QB this team has needed for over a decade, and he could start next year with a solid backup in Rex.

I'm thinking we are going to have to trade up to get one of the top 3 prospects anyway .... and I don't think this is the time to gamble on anyone outside those top 3. So if you have to deal, take the shot, and get the best one.

I'm with you on this. Shanny appears to have put a lot of the pieces of the puzzle together. Now we need a top flight QB and we'll be very competitive. We are going to get a QB in 2012; I see no reason not to go for the one with the highest probability of success.

[Irn-Bru]

Great win by the Skins. To go into another teams house and own it . . . it was a thing of beauty.

We get the chance to do it again in a couple of weeks. And all of the media is falling in love with Philly's chances of making the playoffs. Man I'd love to spoil the seasons of two NFC East teams.

[skinsfan#33]

What kills me about everyone second guessing the bench Rex for Beck move. Yes, it appears to have been a bad call but what everyone forgets is the first two games Becks started, Rex couldn't have played even if the coaches wanted him to.

Heck the first game Rex spent it in the locker room with an IV in. And the whole week prior to the next game he was still in the hospital suffering from pneumonia.

So the benching was realistically one game.

[Red_One43]

You all do realize that had we won both of the Cowboy Games (and we were inches from winning both ans should have won both), we would be the Division leader right now, with 2 games left?

Based on our performance against the Pats, and other tough losses this year .... I think too many fans and analysts underestimate the talent on this team.

Exactly right Ray!!! This has been the case though for a few years not just this one. I think we really are going in the right direction even though I am not a fan of rat face and Has. Has doesn't have much to offer when making second half adjustments and Mike doesn't want to adapt to his talent. Imagine if they did...

The other thing I will say was the Beck experiment. I understand it. I would have benched Rex too but I wouldn't have taken his job away unless he had another repeat performance. I think it takes 2 or 3 bad games in a row before you take away your QB and put him on the bench. We might have won a game or two if that didn't happen.

This is why I've been particularly critical of the Coaching staff, and especially concerning Kyle. The game that got Rex benched was a bad, bad game ... and the quick hook was ill conceived in retrospect ... but it was to a large measure due to the inaccurate analysis of Beck's skill and ability, by guess who? Kyle really thought they had something there with Beck. Unfortunately, that was the second time he was wrong about the same guy!!!

Here's what we know ... when Rexy is on his game, the Redskins are competitive and can play with anyone. But he's just too inconsistent to be relied upon, and when he get's lots of pressure, he throws it up for grabs. But I think he has value as a backup to whomever we bring in from the draft, and we should keep him. I like his attitude, and cockiness as a QB.

With that said, I think the Reskins should go ALL OUT to get Luck. He will wind up being worth to this team whatever we have to pay Indy to get him. Two 1's and two 2's ..... three 1's and a 2 ... whatever it takes. Luck is a guy you can build a team around, and we already have several young pieces, and a couple of solid vets for him to work with.

I think Indy could be convinced to take one of the other guys as a project QB, and capitalize on the added picks to fix their other needs. We could get our franchise QB this team has needed for over a decade, and he could start next year with a solid backup in Rex.

I'm thinking we are going to have to trade up to get one of the top 3 prospects anyway .... and I don't think this is the time to gamble on anyone outside those top 3. So if you have to deal, take the shot, and get the best one.

I agree with you about getting Luck. There is no question in my mind that Shanny and Allen are cooking up something to try to get Indy to bite on a trade package. Shanny is trying to find the next Elway Elway - Stanford. Luck - Stanford. That coincidence has to have Shanny salivating. I don't think that Shanny give up the house to get him, but it might not take that. Two number ones for sure. Maybe a two and a player. Maybe some switching of positions of later rounds. Be creative!

[welch]

Ah, pleasure and joy!

Watching the Redskins beat the Giants while sitting with Redskin Dan v1978 and Redskin Adan v2006, both wearing Sean Taylor jerseys. Redskin Liam, at eight months, doesn't quite understand what's happening, although he already knows his team.

Yep. This was fun!

[SkinsJock]

Anyone know where we draft after this win?

the draft order is not determined after 14 games .... normally


If I had to guess I'd say we're going to end up 7-9 and possibly picking around 10-15

[Skinsfan55]

At first I was annoyed that we were losing draft position, but then I remembered what Antrel Rolle said about us only beating the Giants 5 out of 100 times.

It's possible we win out, and if we do, it'll probably cost us a top QB prospect. I want Landry Jones anyway, think we could still snag him if we went 8-8?

[Chris Luva Luva]

At first I was annoyed that we were losing draft position, but then I remembered what Antrel Rolle said about us only beating the Giants 5 out of 100 times.

It's possible we win out, and if we do, it'll probably cost us a top QB prospect. I want Landry Jones anyway, think we could still snag him if we went 8-8?

Yeah, I was torn but I can't be too mad about a W. They'll still get a QB, they've shown so far that they can make moves that aren't too destructive to the future.

[tribeofjudah]

At first I was annoyed that we were losing draft position, but then I remembered what Antrel Rolle said about us only beating the Giants 5 out of 100 times.

It's possible we win out, and if we do, it'll probably cost us a top QB prospect. I want Landry Jones anyway, think we could still snag him if we went 8-8?

He sucks.....I'll take RG III

[Skinsfan55]

At first I was annoyed that we were losing draft position, but then I remembered what Antrel Rolle said about us only beating the Giants 5 out of 100 times.

It's possible we win out, and if we do, it'll probably cost us a top QB prospect. I want Landry Jones anyway, think we could still snag him if we went 8-8?

He sucks.....I'll take RG III

If we draft RG III I'll need to buy a new TV because I'll have whipped my remote through it.

[PAPDOG67]

At first I was annoyed that we were losing draft position, but then I remembered what Antrel Rolle said about us only beating the Giants 5 out of 100 times.

It's possible we win out, and if we do, it'll probably cost us a top QB prospect. I want Landry Jones anyway, think we could still snag him if we went 8-8?

I'm not a big Landry Jones fan at all. Also its tough to go 8-8 when you have 9 losses already.

[Skinsfan55]

Whoops, I meant 7-9. Can't even imagine one reason someone would want RG III instead of Jones.

[StorminMormon86]

I want RGIII, but I don't know if we're going to get him. I see him taken as the #2 QB, and the Jags (maybe even the Rams) might draft another QB. I'm starting to worry about our draft prospects.

But back to the topic at hand, the D stepped up BIG TIME. It was great seeing the look on Manning's face all game. What was his passer rating? 30? It was simply awesome watching them try and try again to score with us shutting them down every single time. I loved it.

[SkinsJock]

the draft position is not as important as keeping ALL of our draft picks & continuing to put things back together here

some here have short term ideas
we need to keep adding young players that make the other players around them better & give us a consistently competitive team

we have seen a number of players get opportunities to play and show that they can play or provide depth - this is all good


we will resolve the QB position but we do not need to give up draft picks to get a 'better' QB

we just need a QB that can do a good job - we also need to add the other players around him that will make the offense better



It will not be hard to find a QB and get him ready to play + it certainly will not be hard to find one that is better than Grossman

[absinthe1023]

You all do realize that had we won both of the Cowboy Games (and we were inches from winning both ans should have won both), we would be the Division leader right now, with 2 games left?

Based on our performance against the Pats, and other tough losses this year .... I think too many fans and analysts underestimate the talent on this team.

And what about the close games (AZ and STL) that the Redskins won but could easily have lost? It is a display of faulty logic to only consider what could have happened from a positive sense alone.


The real question you need to ask is: Could THIS Redskin team go into Green Bay and win a playoff game THIS YEAR?

If anyone here thinks the answer is yes (from an objective standpoint, using reasoning other than "any given Sunday"), then I would really love to hear it.

This team has multiple holes, but the biggest one is at QB, and until that is fixed no significant improvement will occur. That the modern NFL. You can improve the OL, get a playmaking WR, overhaul the secondary, and whatever else you can think of, but a franchise QB helps teams get better quicker and stay competitive for longer.

[SkinsJock]

The best QB in the NFL CANNOT make a franchise consistently competitive WITHOUT other players around him
ESPECIALLY, other players that play together as a team



the #1 priority is to get a good QB but we also need the other players on offense & defense that make the other players already here better

one of the benefits of having some of our backups have to play this season is that we are seeing who can provide quality depth

[StorminMormon86]

This team has multiple holes, but the biggest one is at QB, and until that is fixed no significant improvement will occur. That the modern NFL. You can improve the OL, get a playmaking WR, overhaul the secondary, and whatever else you can think of, but a franchise QB helps teams get better quicker and stay competitive for longer.

A "franchise" QB is not the only thing this team needs. Hell even if we had a franchise QB that doesn't mean he would make any difference in the win-loss column. See Joe Flacco.

[KazooSkinsFan]

At first I was annoyed that we were losing draft position, but then I remembered what Antrel Rolle said about us only beating the Giants 5 out of 100 times.

It's possible we win out, and if we do, it'll probably cost us a top QB prospect. I want Landry Jones anyway, think we could still snag him if we went 8-8?

You look at the excitement and energy that a win like that has over the team and compare that to drafting a couple slots lower, there is no doubt we want the W. People get too locked up in the draft position. We're building a team of people, not building a car with engineered parts. Winning breeds winning, losing breeds losing. People have to get over that draft position obsession. I 100% hope we win out.

[absinthe1023]

This team has multiple holes, but the biggest one is at QB, and until that is fixed no significant improvement will occur. That the modern NFL. You can improve the OL, get a playmaking WR, overhaul the secondary, and whatever else you can think of, but a franchise QB helps teams get better quicker and stay competitive for longer.

A "franchise" QB is not the only thing this team needs. Hell even if we had a franchise QB that doesn't mean he would make any difference in the win-loss column. See Joe Flacco.

First of all, Joe Flacco is not a franchise QB.

I never meant to imply that a QB is the ONLY need that the Redskins have. In fact, I mentioned several areas of improvement specifically, and many more exist.

My main point is that a franchise QB has a much greater impact on a team's immediate performance and longterm competitiveness than any other single position, and probably more than most positions COMBINED.

Look at Detroit, Carolina, Cincy, and (dare I say it) Denver this season. Look at what Atlanta has done in the Matt Ryan era. Look at NO with Brees. Who ever thought the Saints would win a Super Bowl? How is GB 13-1 with such a porous defense? I could go on.

Indy is even more telling of an example. How good are their playmakers, really? Without P. Manning, is there anything special about Clark, Collie, or Garcon? How has Indy's attacking, small defense fared this season without the benefit of playing with a lead and without the rest obtained during long offensive drives?

In the modern NFL, a franchise QB effects performance on both sides of the ball, covers up many other defects, and is the one necessity in constructing a contender.

[Chris Luva Luva]

First of all, Joe Flacco is not a franchise QB.

Agreed.

My main point is that a franchise QB has a much greater impact on a team's immediate performance and longterm competitiveness than any other single position, and probably more than most positions COMBINED.

A franchise QB hides deficiencies at other positions. Peyton Manning is a prime example.

Look at last nights game with the Ravens. Their pass-rush hides an abysmal secondary. 9/10 QB's crap the bed at the sight of Suggs. When you get a QB who doesn't, the facade is lifted.

[DarthMonk]

Whoops, I meant 7-9. Can't even imagine one reason someone would want RG III instead of Jones.

Not saying this seals the deal but there are reasons. Maybe you were being sarcastic.


Landry Jones:

Jones has led Oklahoma to some big wins and huge offensive days this season, but the Sooners have had a somewhat disappointing season. For the season, the junior has completed 63 percent of his passes for 4,302 yards with 28 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He has shown the big-armed pocket presence to be a potential franchise quarterback at the next level.

Jones was outplayed by Griffin in their head-to-head matchup. He also played terribly against Oklahoma State, throwing two interceptions and serving up two touchdowns on fumble returns. The games against the Bears and the Cowboys bring into question whether Jones lacks the 'it' factor to push his team to a win.


RG III:

Griffin has been one of the biggest stars in college football this season. He carried Baylor to thrilling wins over Oklahoma, Kansas and TCU. Griffin has displayed a strong arm and good mobility. Plus, his accuracy has been phenomenal on passes to the short, intermediate, and deep part of the field. He is extremely intelligent off the field and that translates to good decision making on the field. Thus far in 2011, Griffin has completed 72 percent of his passes for 3,998 yards with 36 touchdowns and six interceptions. He has also rushed for 644 yards and nine touchdowns.

DarthMonk

[Chris Luva Luva]

I'd have to say, I'd take Griffin. He has that "it" factor.... U cannot discount that! He has the arm... He's accurate, he's mature. He's level-headed. He wants to throw the ball FIRST.

[SkinsJock]

I'd have to say, I'd take Griffin. He has that "it" factor.... U cannot discount that! He has the arm... He's accurate, he's mature. He's level-headed. He wants to throw the ball FIRST.

I'd really like it if we can get Griffin - this kid has a lot going for him

The QBs will likely go - Luck then Barkley then Griffin then Jones

[absinthe1023]

First of all, Joe Flacco is not a franchise QB.

Agreed.

My main point is that a franchise QB has a much greater impact on a team's immediate performance and longterm competitiveness than any other single position, and probably more than most positions COMBINED.

A franchise QB hides deficiencies at other positions. Peyton Manning is a prime example.

Look at last nights game with the Ravens. Their pass-rush hides an abysmal secondary. 9/10 QB's crap the bed at the sight of Suggs. When you get a QB who doesn't, the facade is lifted.

I couldn't agree with you more. And if any team is in need of something that can hide other glaring deficiencies, it is the Redskins.

[absinthe1023]

Back on topic, this was definitely a bittersweet win.
Where was this intensity for most of the season? Has Kyle really learned to call a game or was this a one game aberration? Is an undrafted LT (literally Mr. Smith off the street) a better player than a number four overall pick? Did the Redskins just hand the Cowboys a division title?

My feeling now is that the Redskins (and any fans interested in seeing real improvement) will rue these past 2 victories greatly when April rolls around. I will reserve any further comment until the draft day thread.