Tim Tebow Nation

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:14 pm

Bump.....it's TEbow time again.....hahaha

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:58 am

Tebow is a story, nothing more. He's a lousy QB, but he gets his team fired up, and the defense has carried this team to these wins, not Tebow. We have a Packer team at 13-0 and on the brink of going a very possible 19-0, and the media spends most of it's time talking about a lousy QB and a very mediocre team. I for one am sick of all the Tebow talk. Have you noticed they never mention anything about the strength of schedule (or lack thereof) when they talk about Denver/Tebow? They have beaten 2 teams with winning records, and one of those (the Bears) is no longer any good because they lost Cutler. So basically all this hype over Tebow and the Broncos is centered around them beating a bunch of nothing teams. I guess the love fest will be over after the Donkeys lose to the Pats this weekend, and if Denver is lucky enough to make the playoffs, they will lose in the first round....the only good thing about the media spending so much time talking about Tebow is they haven't had as much time to talk about their usual favorite media darlings, the Duallass Crackboys....

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:06 am

StorminMormon86 wrote:
Countertrey wrote:I don't hear anyone "over rating" him...

Have you watched anything NFL related in the past couple of days? They referred to him as a "deity" several times BEFORE their win over the Jets on Thursday. The media has pounced all over Jake Plummer for calling Tebow out on constantly throwing his Jesus-lovin' rants in our faces after every good play.

Would you say that Mark Sanchez, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and/or Matt Hasselbeck (all QB's on teams with the same record as the Broncos) are getting the same amount of attention and coverage in the media?

NO team is getting as much media coverage as Tebow and the Donkeys.....it seems like the media just went from covering the Crackboys most of time straight to the Donkeys....meanwhile, the Packers, on their march to 19-0, get hardly any coverage, which puzzles me, because that's actually a story. Who cares about a mediocre team with a lousy QB?

flamethrower · Post by **flamethrower** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:14 pm

Saddest thing is his best win was vs either the Bears, or Jets. Neither of them are probably gonna make the playoffs either. Upcoming game vs Patriots will tell all that we will need to know. I agree that the Packers should be the bigger story. Only thing that stops it from getting it's deserved mention is if Tebow leads the Bronco's to the Super Bowl vs the Packers.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:46 pm

Why are you guys ignoring the fact that he took over THE SAME TEAM Kyle Orton "led" to a 1-4 record?

He's the ultimate NFL underdog story, and he's proving his counters wrong. What's not to like?

flamethrower · Post by **flamethrower** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:07 pm

Redeemed I didn't say there ain't nothing to like there. If fact the option being run by him is great. Just saying that there are better stories than him.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:09 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
Countertrey wrote:I don't hear anyone "over rating" him...

Have you watched anything NFL related in the past couple of days? They referred to him as a "deity" several times BEFORE their win over the Jets on Thursday. The media has pounced all over Jake Plummer for calling Tebow out on constantly throwing his Jesus-lovin' rants in our faces after every good play.

Would you say that Mark Sanchez, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and/or Matt Hasselbeck (all QB's on teams with the same record as the Broncos) are getting the same amount of attention and coverage in the media?

Hadn't noticed this when posted... it takes a world class debater to take something stated in mid October... and try to score points a month later, when the entire context has changed.

[sarcasm]Out freaking standing[/sarcasm] Monkey

Apparently, dropping to a knee... and expressing his beliefs... somehow hurts you... you have made your opinions much less interesting to me.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:28 am

I have no problem with it. Hell, I congratulate the guy for sticking to his beliefs. If he wants to pray, drop to a knee or whatever, why would someone give him a hard time for that. No one is forced to watch them play so just turn the channel.

Also, before you criticize him, do some research about all the good he's doing around the world. I think he's building a hospital in the Philippines right now. Personally I wish that there were more guys like that in the league. Guys who stand for being a good person. Less than selfish. Not a ME guy but a WE guy.

Sorry to rant but I'm getting a bit tired of folks now making a mockery of his religion. That's just plain disrespectful to not only him but to all Christians out there.

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:49 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Why are you guys ignoring the fact that he took over THE SAME TEAM Kyle Orton "led" to a 1-4 record?

He's the ultimate NFL underdog story, and he's proving his counters wrong. What's not to like?

Like him all you want, but Tebow and the Broncos are not deserving of all the media coverage they're getting. The fact remains, the Broncos are an average team, and Tebow is a below average QB, and this Broncos team is going nowhere this season. If you can honestly tell me this team can compete with the likes of teams like the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, 49ers, Saints, and Packers, then I'll listen. Otherwise, it's nothing but a bunch of useless blather to fill empty air time....

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:54 am

Tebow may well be a "below average quarterback"... if your definition of a quarterback is the NFL prototype pocket passer. His skills are certainly not the usual set...

But, he is one hell of a leader, and is clearly the proof that "it" doesn't always come in a standard package. If Jason Campbell had one tenth the amount of "it" demonstrated by Tebow, he would be a perpetual Pro Bowl candidate.

Tebow is not winning because he is a talented quarterback... he is winning because he refuses to lose... and wills it otherwise. Tim Tebow could bro-bump Chuck Norris and survive.

Y'all should just drop whatever "mean girls" agenda it is that's obstructing your view of this kid... It's sad that y'all can't just enjoy the success of a hard working, nice guy, who actually appears to deserve good things.

If your value system is so fragile that you can't handle him dropping to a knee to celebrate... that's truly sad.

DesertSkin · Post by **DesertSkin** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:00 pm

Countertrey wrote:Tebow may well be a "below average quarterback"... if your definition of a quarterback is the NFL prototype pocket passer. His skills are certainly not the usual set...

But, he is one hell of a leader, and is clearly the proof that "it" doesn't always come in a standard package. If Jason Campbell had one tenth the amount of "it" demonstrated by Tebow, he would be a perpetual Pro Bowl candidate.

Tebow is not winning because he is a talented quarterback... he is winning because he refuses to lose... and wills it otherwise. Tim Tebow could bro-bump Chuck Norris and survive.

Y'all should just drop whatever "mean girls" agenda it is that's obstructing your view of this kid... It's sad that y'all can't just enjoy the success of a hard working, nice guy, who actually appears to deserve good things.

If your value system is so fragile that you can't handle him dropping to a knee to celebrate... that's truly sad.

He's a below average NFL quarterback who's is one hell of a leader and an all around great humanitarian. But without a lot of luck and fabulous defense, his "refuse to lose" mentality would be worthless. I would go as far to say that Denver is winning in spite of have him as their QB. The Defense deserves more credit then Tebow ever should. I've enjoyed watching all the comebacks but if you watch the whole game, Tebow is simply not the true star of it all. He is not carrying that team...the defense is.

This weekend will prove it. He'll go against a super bowl contender (Pats) that has a soft defense and an offense that will put up more than 17 points...and the game will be out of reach in the 4th quarter.

And yes, the praying thing is annoying...not because Tim does it, but because it's shoved down our throats by the media.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:31 pm

I'm turned off by contrived touchdown dances, sack dances, pushed him out of bounds dances, almost got to the quarterback dances, watched-the-receiver-I-was-covering-drop-the-ball dances... which are EQUALLY shoved down our throats... but I don't believe I've whined about it... or seen it as a reason to attempt to assasinate the character of a player... well... except for TO... but, then... he had no character to begin with.

There are plenty of quarterbacks with superior talent to his who would not have gotten the same results... btw...

DesertSkin · Post by **DesertSkin** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSrzPCdKj8

flamethrower · Post by **flamethrower** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:56 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I have no problem with it. Hell, I congratulate the guy for sticking to his beliefs. If he wants to pray, drop to a knee or whatever, why would someone give him a hard time for that. No one is forced to watch them play so just turn the channel.

Also, before you criticize him, do some research about all the good he's doing around the world. I think he's building a hospital in the Philippines right now. Personally I wish that there were more guys like that in the league. Guys who stand for being a good person. Less than selfish. Not a ME guy but a WE guy.

Sorry to rant but I'm getting a bit tired of folks now making a mockery of his religion. That's just plain disrespectful to not only him but to all Christians out there.

I would never do that. I just am criticizing the media for what they are hyping.

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:21 am

Countertrey wrote:Tebow is not winning because he is a talented quarterback... he is winning because he refuses to lose... and wills it otherwise.

Tebow is winning because the Broncos have had a soft schedule, and his defense is keeping games close enough for him to make his lucky comebacks. That streak ends this weekend....

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:26 am

flamethrower wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:I have no problem with it. Hell, I congratulate the guy for sticking to his beliefs. If he wants to pray, drop to a knee or whatever, why would someone give him a hard time for that. No one is forced to watch them play so just turn the channel.

Also, before you criticize him, do some research about all the good he's doing around the world. I think he's building a hospital in the Philippines right now. Personally I wish that there were more guys like that in the league. Guys who stand for being a good person. Less than selfish. Not a ME guy but a WE guy.

Sorry to rant but I'm getting a bit tired of folks now making a mockery of his religion. That's just plain disrespectful to not only him but to all Christians out there.

I would never do that. I just am criticizing the media for what they are hyping.

That's my thought exactly. I have no ill feeling towards Tebow, the media has just overdone the coverage of him and Broncos. I just think there are other more noteworthy topics in the NFL the media should be spending their time on, like maybe focussing on the teams that are actually Superbowl contenders? The Broncos aren't one of them...

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:21 am

grampi wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Tebow is not winning because he is a talented quarterback... he is winning because he refuses to lose... and wills it otherwise.

Tebow is winning because the Broncos have had a soft schedule, and his defense is keeping games close enough for him to make his lucky comebacks. That streak ends this weekend....

Perhaps... but that's not the point...
It's my opinion that, given the same situation... Jason Campbell would have lost each of those games. Care to dispute?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:39 pm

The Broncos are winning because they're tailoring their offense around an unconventional QB. It's not different than any team tailoring an offense around a conventional QB.

He's winning and that's all that matters. Saying that he's winning because the defense keeps games close isn't a valid point, we need our defense to do the same and we have a conventional QB. Tom Brady needs his defense to keep things close, we saw that first hand last week.

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:54 pm

Countertrey wrote:
grampi wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Tebow is not winning because he is a talented quarterback... he is winning because he refuses to lose... and wills it otherwise.

Tebow is winning because the Broncos have had a soft schedule, and his defense is keeping games close enough for him to make his lucky comebacks. That streak ends this weekend....

Perhaps... but that's not the point...
It's my opinion that, given the same situation... Jason Campbell would have lost each of those games. Care to dispute?

I wouldn't dispute that. Would you dispute the media coverage of Tebow and Broncos is way overdone?

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:57 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Saying that he's winning because the defense keeps games close isn't a valid point

Sure it is. Do you think Tebow would be making all these comebacks if his team was always trailing by 4 TDs late in every game?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:09 pm

grampi wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Saying that he's winning because the defense keeps games close isn't a valid point

Sure it is. Do you think Tebow would be making all these comebacks if his team was always trailing by 4 TDs late in every game?

It isn't valid because that point can be made about any QB. It can be made about Rex. It can be made about Tom Brady. If we were up by 4 TD's in the 4th, he'd have trouble digging himself out too. Tebow has shown he can score big, they put up 25+ a couple games back.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:37 pm

grampi wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
grampi wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Tebow is not winning because he is a talented quarterback... he is winning because he refuses to lose... and wills it otherwise.

Tebow is winning because the Broncos have had a soft schedule, and his defense is keeping games close enough for him to make his lucky comebacks. That streak ends this weekend....

Perhaps... but that's not the point...
It's my opinion that, given the same situation... Jason Campbell would have lost each of those games. Care to dispute?

I wouldn't dispute that. Would you dispute the media coverage of Tebow and Broncos is way overdone?

Why would I care? The press is what they always have been... opportunists. They see a phenomenon, and want to sell some commercial time... If you have a problem with it, turn them off. It will reflect immediately in their ratings... if enough people do it, they'll stop.

Regardless... it's not Tebow's fault that the media has gone over the edge... he is being true to what he has always done and believed. That there are both those who are mocking AND those that are emulating him AND those that are parodying him says that there is something special about him...

Unlike the Adam Jones' of the world, who are superficial thugs, the Terrell Owenses of the world, who are self-promoting egotists, and the Albert Haynesworths for the world... who are simply stupid, lazy slobs... this guy is real... a genuine good guy.

I'll judge him on his actions... not those of the press... or of the jealous haters... or those who fear his religious beliefs... or who seek to profit from his fame.

I just wish I could bottle that "it" factor, and sell it to the Jason Campbells and Rex Grossmans of the world. You don't have to admit it... you know it's there... and you know that, at this moment, he is oozing "it".

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:32 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Why are you guys ignoring the fact that he took over THE SAME TEAM Kyle Orton "led" to a 1-4 record?

He's the ultimate NFL underdog story, and he's proving his counters wrong. What's not to like?

OHHHH.....me like, me like.
I'm a FAN of Timmy T.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:56 am

I'm a Tebow fan - what is happening in Denver is more due to the other players and the coaching

this is a team game - what is happening with the Broncos is testimony to that :wink:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:28 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I'm a Tebow fan - what is happening in Denver is more due to the other players and the coaching

this is a team game - what is happening with the Broncos is testimony to that

Ordinarily, I'd agree with you... but, again, I would go to the comparison with Jason Campbell... a clearly superior quarterback, in terms of his skill set... I'm convinced that he (his team, if you prefer) would have lost each of those games.

Of course, it can't be proven... but our experience, despite the protests of the apologists, would validate the capabilities of Campbell... he simply did not have the leadership and determination to do what we have seen in multiple Denver come-from-behind wins... Obviously, none of it happens without an opportunistic and aggressive defense, but still... you know!

It's really not a big deal... but it IS fun to watch, regardless...