Does Brandon Banks Deserve a Roster Spot?

[ATX_Skins]

Q: If Brandon Banks ever made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: WR

[Red_One43]

You have taken the "one job" think way out of hand. Speaking of hands, is Brandon there with you right now, are you typing with one hand?

lol I'm the only one who said "one job". It's true though, he returns balls, one job.

One job...

[ATX_Skins]

You have taken the "one job" think way out of hand. Speaking of hands, is Brandon there with you right now, are you typing with one hand?

lol I'm the only one who said "one job". It's true though, he returns balls, one job.

One job...

lol, not sure how hard this is to understand. He is listed as a WR because there is no official KR/PR on a depth chart. Fact.

Regardless of whether he used (coach preference) as a WR, that is how he is listed, because in the most dire circumstances thats what he is.

Why don't you turn your attention to the people that don't think he deserves a roster spot and stop embarrassing yourself on this subject.

Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties only.

[Red_One43]

Q: If Brandon Banks ever made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: WR

Below are the positions listed from the 2010 Pro Bowl Rosters

Take note: Q: ATX if Brandon Banks made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: ATX doesn't know what he is talking about - You win again again beating yourself.


Speical teams
Position Player(s)
Punter Andy Lee, San Francisco
Placekicker David Akers, Philadelphia
Kick returner Johnny Knox, Chicago
Special teamer Heath Farwell, Minnesota
Long snapper Jon Dorenbos, Philadelphia



Special teams
Position Player(s)
Punter Shane Lechler, Oakland
Placekicker Dan Carpenter, Miami
Kick returner Josh Cribbs, Cleveland
Special teamer Kassim Osgood, San Diego
Long snapper Jon Condo, Oakland

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true

[Red_One43]

You have taken the "one job" think way out of hand. Speaking of hands, is Brandon there with you right now, are you typing with one hand?

lol I'm the only one who said "one job". It's true though, he returns balls, one job.

lol, not sure how hard this is to understand. He is listed as a WR because there is no official KR/PR on a depth chart. Fact.

Regardless of whether he used (coach preference) as a WR, that is how he is listed, because in the most dire circumstances thats what he is.

Why don't you turn your attention to the people that don't think he deserves a roster spot and stop embarrassing yourself on this subject.

Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties only.

Accept it ATX - Shanny is the coach and knows more about it than you. He listed him as a WR because that is his position, but as Markshark said he as a special spot and agree because no team keeps 8 receivers, so if you want to play like we don't see what the depth chart says go ahead, but we all know including you that Banks, right now, is just a reutrner - his HC said so, you said so several times on this thread and the other. You want so bad to win an argument - here you go - he is listed as a WR on the depth chart - now lets get back to reality and face the facts - he only returns kicks- right now.

[ATX_Skins]

Q: If Brandon Banks ever made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: WR

Below are the positions listed from the 2010 Pro Bowl Rosters

Take note: Q: ATX if Brandon Banks made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: ATX doesn't know what he is talking about - You win again again beating yourself.


Speical teams
Position Player(s)
Punter Andy Lee, San Francisco
Placekicker David Akers, Philadelphia
Kick returner Johnny Knox, Chicago
Special teamer Heath Farwell, Minnesota
Long snapper Jon Dorenbos, Philadelphia



Special teams
Position Player(s)
Punter Shane Lechler, Oakland
Placekicker Dan Carpenter, Miami
Kick returner Josh Cribbs, Cleveland
Special teamer Kassim Osgood, San Diego
Long snapper Jon Condo, Oakland

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true

Ehh, yeah, you are right about the Pro Bowl thing. Whatever, Knox IS a WR, as is Cribbs.

[Red_One43]

Give it up. He is listed as a WR on their official roster:

http://www.redskins.com/team/players.html

As well as their depth chart:

http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html

By your arguement, anyone could be any position and that classifications and position allocations are arbitrary and without true meaning. In reality he is listed as a WR via the official website. I would hope that someone on the coaching staff is providing this information to the website adminstrators -- otherwise there could be some serious problems. It is all fine and good that MS sees him as a returner -- after all, so does everyone else. But the fact is that he is listed as a WR and I am very confident that MS considers him part of the wide receiver corps -- seeing is how that is the team group he joins during team practice drills. He doesn't stand to the side and hang out with our kickers. End of story.

Me give it up, Mark? Your earlier statements prove that you agree with Shanny that Banks is listed as a receiver but that is not what he plays. Check out what you said which supports what I said Shanny said.

My whole point Mark and your earlier posts support it that in the mind of Shanny, right now, Banks does not figure in as an 8th receiver. He is listed as a WR because that is the position he came in as and someday when his knee is one hundred percent, we will see him catching screens and running the wildcat, but as you read what Shanny said, he is too valuable to risk right now in multiple positions. Argue all you want that he is listed as a receiver and no one disputes that - the the old you and me know that he only plays WR right now and he has a special spot probably what was the third QB spot last year.

Markshark84 wrote

He only returns punts and kickoffs and does not see the field as a WR or on other special teams functions. So, in order for Banks to "deserve" the spot, I believe he needs to excel at PRs and KRs more so than anyone else could possibly do that is currently on our roster.

"Only" returns punts, "does not see the field as a WR"

Matkshark84 wrote:
But a special spot has been reserved for Banks because he is THAT much better

A special spot reserved Markshark? A special slot and not a receiver slot? You speaking out of both sides of you computer mark. You harp on Banks being listed as a receiver but here you say he dosn't have a receiver slot.

Markshark 84 wrote:

As far as the 8 WRs, BB is one of those WRs. If BB wasn't a return man, we would be carrying 7. While I agree that MS can't decide on WRs just yet, it doesn't take away from the fact that BB has a WR spot but doesn't play the position. Therefore, I think that BB is one of the reasons (obviously) we have 8 WRs.

Here you acknowledge the fact that we all know that Banks is listed as a receiver, the you clearly accpet the fact that BANKS IS A RETURNER.

One minute, you say he has a special spot. Now, you say he has a WR spot. BUT you say what Shanny said - HE DOESN'T PLAY THE POSITION. Which is what I am saying that he doesn't play the positon right now so stop comparing him to the other WR's and instead of saying that he hasn't earned his keep take a look at some film and check it out as to why his production has dropped. BTW Shanny has. Banks is still as dangerous as he was in the first two games. This isn't a Banks problem, it is a problem the Redskins need to solve to get their ace returner some room to manuever.

BTW Mark, is it a special spot or a WR spot?
Me. Give it up!!! Make up your mind.

Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties, as is just about every other KR/PR in the league. Why do you think Banks is the first person in the history of the NFL to get his own "special" position?

Gibbs used Cooley as an H back. However he was always listed as a TE. Are you saying the Redskins have a bunch of exceptions to the depth chart?

Uh read the quote, ATX, Shanny said Banks is a returner, not me. I am quoting the head coach and saying what I said based on the HC. Did Shanny say that Cooley is an H Back? Nice try ATX. Keep trying you might lose an argument with yourself any moment. Right now - ATX 10 - ATX - 0. A perfect 10 and Oh against yourself. Next argument.

Let's try the one job one again that you have now flip flopped by saying that he doesn't have one job.

[ATX_Skins]

Who said Shanny used Cooley as an H back?

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart he would list Banks as a WR, regardless of how he uses him.

[Red_One43]

Who said Shanny used Cooley as an H back?

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart he would list Banks as a WR, regardless of how he uses him.

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart? If Shanny? ATX - Shanny did fill out a depth chart. Why do you say if he were too?

We all read the depth Chart ATX - but what is on paper is not always the reality - have you heard that one before.

Shanny clarified to you and all of us fans why he is carrying 8 WR's (There ATX - I said it again - Banks is listed as a receiver) - to down play all the hoopla of a tream carrying 8 receivers which is way out of the norm - Shanny is saying that Banks isn't being looked at as a WR, RIGHT NOW, he is only being looked at as a "returner" - Shanny's words. You read those words too, ATX - didn't you? Tell me that you didn't glosss over them? So Shanny has in practicality 7 receivers and 1 returner listed as WRs, RIGHT NOW.

Now, check out the first four games - has Banks touched the field as a WR? NO! Does this mean that he will never touch the field as a WR? NO, Shanny said last year, that until the guy's knee heals, he won't be playing any WR - Why? Because as he said this year, the guy is too valuable to play multiple positions.

You win again ATX!!! ATX 11 - ATX 0 Damn - you can't beat yourself for nothing.

BTW - you posed the Cooley aargument - that is for you to deal with - not me.

Hey, how about that Pro Bowl Question and answer, you oughtt to sign up for Jeopardy! That was a good answer - Answer Brandon Banks Question: Who is a Pro Bowl WR?

[Red_One43]

Q: If Brandon Banks ever made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: WR

Below are the positions listed from the 2010 Pro Bowl Rosters

Take note: Q: ATX if Brandon Banks made the Pro Bowl, how would he be listed?

A: ATX doesn't know what he is talking about - You win again again beating yourself.


Speical teams
Position Player(s)
Punter Andy Lee, San Francisco
Placekicker David Akers, Philadelphia
Kick returner Johnny Knox, Chicago
Special teamer Heath Farwell, Minnesota
Long snapper Jon Dorenbos, Philadelphia



Special teams
Position Player(s)
Punter Shane Lechler, Oakland
Placekicker Dan Carpenter, Miami
Kick returner Josh Cribbs, Cleveland
Special teamer Kassim Osgood, San Diego
Long snapper Jon Condo, Oakland

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true

Ehh, yeah, you are right about the Pro Bowl thing. Whatever, Knox IS a WR, as is Cribbs.

You are a better man than Me, ATX. You can admit that you are wrong. I have to admit it was a nice try.

[ATX_Skins]

Who said Shanny used Cooley as an H back?

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart he would list Banks as a WR, regardless of how he uses him.

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart? If Shanny? ATX - Shanny did fill out a depth chart why do you say if he were too? We all read the depth Chart ATX - but what is on paper is not always the reality - have you heard that one before. Shanny clarified to you and all of us fans why he is carrying 8 WR's (There ATX - I said it again - Banks is listed as a receiver) - to down play all the hoopla of a tream carrying 8 receivers which is way out of the norm - Shanny is saying that Banks isn't being looked at as a WR, RIGHT NOW, he is only being looked at as a "returner" - Shanny's words. You read those words too, ATX - didn't you? Tell me that you didn't glosss over them? Now, check out the first four games - has Banks touched the field as a WR? NO! Does this mean that he will never touch the field as a WR? NO, Shanny said last year, that until the guy's knee heals, he won't be playing any WR - Why? Because as he said this year, the guy is too valuable to play multiple positions.

You win again ATX!!! ATX 11 - ATX 0 Damn - you can't beat yourself for nothing.

BTW - you posed the Cooley aargument - that is for you to deal with - not me.

Hey, how about that Pro Bowl Question and answer, you oughtt to sign up for Jeopardy! That was a good answer - Answer Brandon Banks Question: Who is a Pro Bowl WR?

"you can't beat yourself at nothing" - Awesome

The Cooley argument - You chimed in on....

If that were a Jeopardy answer it would have been: "Who is Brandon Banks"

I take it you are not a former member of the Fairfax Country Public School system.

[ATX_Skins]

And I thought I was the only one drinking tonight. Thanks Red_One for the amusement.

[Red_One43]

Who said Shanny used Cooley as an H back?

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart he would list Banks as a WR, regardless of how he uses him.

If Shanny were to fill out a depth chart? If Shanny? ATX - Shanny did fill out a depth chart why do you say if he were too? We all read the depth Chart ATX - but what is on paper is not always the reality - have you heard that one before. Shanny clarified to you and all of us fans why he is carrying 8 WR's (There ATX - I said it again - Banks is listed as a receiver) - to down play all the hoopla of a tream carrying 8 receivers which is way out of the norm - Shanny is saying that Banks isn't being looked at as a WR, RIGHT NOW, he is only being looked at as a "returner" - Shanny's words. You read those words too, ATX - didn't you? Tell me that you didn't glosss over them? Now, check out the first four games - has Banks touched the field as a WR? NO! Does this mean that he will never touch the field as a WR? NO, Shanny said last year, that until the guy's knee heals, he won't be playing any WR - Why? Because as he said this year, the guy is too valuable to play multiple positions.

You win again ATX!!! ATX 11 - ATX 0 Damn - you can't beat yourself for nothing.

BTW - you posed the Cooley aargument - that is for you to deal with - not me.

Hey, how about that Pro Bowl Question and answer, you oughtt to sign up for Jeopardy! That was a good answer - Answer Brandon Banks Question: Who is a Pro Bowl WR?

"you can't beat yourself at nothing" - Awesome

The Cooley argument - You chimed in on....

If that were a Jeopardy answer it would have been: "Who is Brandon Banks"

I take it you are not a former member of the Fairfax Country Public School system.

And what was the Question again? - Pro Bowl WR!!! LMAO

[Red_One43]

And I thought I was the only one drinking tonight. Thanks Red_One for the amusement.

Damn! This was way too funny, ATX. Thanks as well. I will laughing at that Pro Bowl question set up for days to come. How did it go again:

Q:

LMAO! I can't say it without laughing

You have to admit that was funny. You set up the question and then answered and you were dead wrong. LMAO!

Hey, hope you are staying safe from the fires down there. Good night.

[ATX_Skins]

And I thought I was the only one drinking tonight. Thanks Red_One for the amusement.

Damn! This was way too funny, ATX. Thanks as well. I will laughing at that Pro Bowl set up for days to come How did it go again:

Q:

LMAO! I can't say it without laughing

You have to admit that was funny. You set up the question and then answered and you were dead wrong. LMAO!

Hey, hope you are staying safe from the fires down there. Good night.

No, you don't get what I was saying. Regardless of whether I was wrong or not (which I was), you have to start the answer to that question with "who is....."

[Red_One43]

And I thought I was the only one drinking tonight. Thanks Red_One for the amusement.

Damn! This was way too funny, ATX. Thanks as well. I will laughing at that Pro Bowl set up for days to come How did it go again:

Q:

LMAO! I can't say it without laughing

You have to admit that was funny. You set up the question and then answered and you were dead wrong. LMAO!

Hey, hope you are staying safe from the fires down there. Good night.

No, you don't get what I was saying. Regardless of whether I was wrong or not (which I was), you have to start the answer to that question with "who is....."

All right, you are right and I am wrong at least about the Jeopardy part. Good night, ATX.

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[andyjens89]

Brandon Banks is the best left tackle in football

[skinsfan#33]

Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties, as is just about every other KR/PR in the league. Why do you think Banks is the first person in the history of the NFL to get his own "special" position?

Gibbs used Cooley as an H back. However he was always listed as a TE. Are you saying the Redskins have a bunch of exceptions to the depth chart?

Actually, you are wrong on both of these points.
Norv told BMitch that he never had to worry about making the team as a RB, because he had a special spot set aside on the roster for him.

Cooley was listed as a HB for the first two years he was on the team and that is one of the reasons he weres #47. Cooley was listed with the FBs for PB voting for those two years.

Also, Frank Wychek was considered a HB when he was with the Titans.

[skinsfan#33]

Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties, as is just about every other KR/PR in the league. Why do you think Banks is the first person in the history of the NFL to get his own "special" position?

Gibbs used Cooley as an H back. However he was always listed as a TE. Are you saying the Redskins have a bunch of exceptions to the depth chart?

Actually, you are wrong on both of these points.
Norv told BMitch that he never had to worry about making the team as a RB, because he had a special spot set aside on the roster for him.

Cooley was listed as a HB for the first two years he was on the team and that is one of the reasons he weres #47. Cooley was listed with the FBs for PB voting for those two years.

Also, Frank Wychek was considered a HB when he was with the Titans.

[Red_One43]

He is listed as a WR so he technically is a WR but he never will be on the field on offense because Shanahan doesn't want to risk him getting hurt. So he is a WR but he never will play WR. Don't think it is a hard concept to grasp.

Yah see MDSKINSFAN, It's our fault that folks find that its a hard concept to grasp. We need to break Shanny's words down.

"I don’t look at Brandon [Banks] as a receiver – he’s a returner,” Shanahan said. “I thought he did such a great job in punt returns and kick returns that it would be silly not to dress him on game day. I think he’s a difference maker out there, but he will be a specialty.”

It is the norm for teams to keep 5-6 guys listed as wide receiver. It is rare that a team keeps 7. It is completely outside the box to keep 8. By Shanny saying that I don't look at Brandon as a receiver - he's a returner. He is offering C-L-A-R-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N that it is not a big deal that he kept eight because one of the guys listed as a wide receiver, Brandon, is BEING SEEN, NOT AS A RECEIVER, BUT AS A RETURNER. In other words he doesnt not fit in the mix of who gets time from scrimmage as a wideout. He doesn't figure in which wide receivers get cut. It doesn't matter which wide receivers have better skills - NONE OF THEM HAVE BETTER RETURN SKILLS.

We all know that Shanny doesn't always tell the media the truth - ACTIONS speak louder than words. Let's look at Shanny's actions:

Last year we saw Banks in the wildcat and catching a screen pass before Shanny shut him down as a wide out to protect his knee. In the "evaluation" games at the end of the year, Banks played wideout and caught a nice 15 yard pass in which he had to extend his arms. BUT THIS YEAR, we have seen none of that. AGAIN, Shanny offerered C-L-A-R-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N that Brandon is too valuable to play "multiple positions" as Shanny put it. Why doesn Shanny see Brandon as too valuable?

So, though Brandon Banks is LISTED as a receiver, the REALITY is the coach is not looking at him as such so therefore, Brandon, at this time is a receiver on paper only. This doesn't mean that once his knee heals, that he won't see plays from scrimmage - Shanny isn't that dumb - if the guy is on the roster then you use him if he can make plays for you.

Since Teams don't carry 8 receivers on their Roster, Shanny had to use another spot that is traditionally used for another position. Last year, we had a third QB, this year we don't. It is probable - that Banks has that slot and if so - Shanny loses nothing by keeping Banks on the roster (The real question should be why did he keep 7 wideouts).

This brings us to the thread question - Should Banks be on the roster - I do respect the opposing opinions out there, but when C-L-A-R-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N is given by the head coach in voice and action, then you don't have much of an argument when you start comparing Banks to other receiver spots.

When you say he isn't earning his keep because his production is down - a number of posters pointed out to you guys that he has not had good blocking, but you don't want to listen to that either.

This poster challenged you to look at the video and analyze the blocking, but you said you don't have time, but you have time to write your baselesss opinions.

This poster and others pointed out that returners, even the great ones like Hester, routinely put up pedestrian numbers, but then break one, Hester, more than others. One Poster pointed out that is why it is called "breaking" one.

Funny that you don't question why Shanny has kept 7 receivers. Banks topics about whether he should be on the roster have been lightning rods - WHY? After all his has done including the first two games - folks continue to bash him and come up with baseless opinions to demean the guy.

If you don't like him, then just say it and quit hiding behind the baseless rhetoric or do your homework and check out the video of the last two games and see if you don't see Banks doing his job of making the first man miss and then getting cleaned up by the second and third guys.

Let's have a real discussion about what is going on on the field and this time don't discount the first two games.

So yes, you experts are right. BANKS IS LISTED ON THE CHARTS AS A WR - now get with reality and let Shanny clarify the receiver situation.

MDSKINSFAN, do you think they get it now? I doubt it - lightning rod topics always have underlying motives from the attackers

[Deadskins]

But if all the active WRs happened to get injured during a game, who do you think would be called on to play the position?

[ATX_Skins]

Banks is a WR with KR/PR duties, as is just about every other KR/PR in the league. Why do you think Banks is the first person in the history of the NFL to get his own "special" position?

Gibbs used Cooley as an H back. However he was always listed as a TE. Are you saying the Redskins have a bunch of exceptions to the depth chart?

Actually, you are wrong on both of these points.
Norv told BMitch that he never had to worry about making the team as a RB, because he had a special spot set aside on the roster for him.

Cooley was listed as a HB for the first two years he was on the team and that is one of the reasons he weres #47. Cooley was listed with the FBs for PB voting for those two years.

Also, Frank Wychek was considered a HB when he was with the Titans.

"Considered"...? You'd better come harder than that if you want anyone to take you serious. Double poster.

[ATX_Skins]

Brandon Banks catches balls in practice... As a WR.

[The Hogster]