Skins' D - Landry's back - we need Orakpo involved

[SkinsJock]

Kerrigan get's some recognition - good for him

Orakpo is not having an easy time of it this season - I know that offenses are concentrating on him and he does get held

I'm wondering if maybe Haslett needs to start looking at changing up his game planning

there are some very good people on our D - the D has improved this season - Landry coming back will help a lot, this kid could be the main force on the defense - he's always around the ball carrier

btw - they are all playing with an attitude

Orakpo has to utilised better - this kid is a force

[SkinsJock]

I changed this a couple of times and thought I should re-post it

C'mon Man! hopefully Jim Haslett is being told to take a good look in the mirror - our offense was not good but they have an excuse - Grossman is Grossman

our defense is a lot better than what we saw and it was managed badly last night

that being said - what's with giving up that run to Jones

what's with Orakpo not being able to play due to cramps and hydration issues - did you not see the wholesale replacements on D by the stupid pukes - this was to keep fresh legs out there

what's with calling an all out blitz on 3rd and 21 - call a blitz but do not have just 1 guy back there for crying out loud

Haslett is better than that he was out-coached by Ryan
he better get it together because our offense needs our defense

this defense is a lot more capable than what we saw - bad play calling or what?

[Countertrey]

Kerrigan get's some recognition - good for him

Orakpo is not having an easy time of it this season - I know that offenses are concentrating on him and he does get heldI'm wondering if maybe Haslett needs to start looking at changing up his game planning

there are some very good people on our D - the D has improved this season - Landry coming back will help a lot, this kid could be the main force on the defense - he's always around the ball carrier

btw - they are all playing with an attitude

Orakpo has to utilised better - this kid is a force

A hold that gets called (seems about 2/3 don't) is almost as good as a sack. A false start by the LT or a TE on him is almost as good as a sack. Orakpo generates an awful lot of negative yardage by his presence.

[Countertrey]

SJ:

Haslett is better than that he was out-coached by Ryan

Come on... Haslett was not coaching against Ryan. Kyle Shanahan was out-coached by Ryan.

For Haslett, If 2 of those 4 bizarre snaps bounce away from Romo, instead of right back into his arms, this game ends very differently.

[SkinsJock]

I understand that the defense plays against the offense -

my point was more that I thought that Ryan used his players (especially Ware) better than Haslett - I felt that Orakpo was not given the time to recoup and as a result there were a number of times that he was not on the field when we could have used him

I understand that Haslett does not have the quality depth on D that Ryan has
I just thought the substitutions by the pukes (which you have to practice and game plan for) were a big plus for their defense

maybe you were not aware that Orakpo was not on the field for a number of plays
I never saw Ware going off the field to get re-hydrated

I do miss a lot

[Countertrey]

I understand that the defense plays against the offense -

my point was more that I thought that Ryan used his players (especially Ware) better than Haslett - I felt that Orakpo was not given the time to recoup and as a result there were a number of times that he was not on the field when we could have used him

I understand that Haslett does not have the quality depth on D that Ryan has
I just thought the substitutions by the pukes (which you have to practice and game plan for) were a big plus for their defense

maybe you were not aware that Orakpo was not on the field for a number of plays
I never saw Ware going off the field to get re-hydrated

I do miss a lot

Like you, I watched Brian leave the field, and head to the locker room.

No other heavily used defensive players suffered as did Orakpo. I suspect his absence was more likely the result of him failing to adequately hydrate prior to the game, and then failing to drink enough during the game. It was likely the result of adrenalin... he may simply have been unaware that he needed to drink.

There are things that the coach cannot do... one of them is make a player drink enough. Could they have substituted more? Maybe... but it would not have made that kind of difference. Regarding Ryan's substitutions... I don't know that D Ware was out of the game any more than Orakpo was. Do you? Yet, he remained a force.

Frankly, I think this is just part of Brian's learning curve... don't expect it to happen again.

[SkinsJock]

The old "you can lead a horse to water scenario .. "

I hope that both Orakpo and Haslett learned a lot from their mistakes of Monday night


that was some well prepared defense we saw from the pukes

HOPEFULLY we (Orakpo & Haslett) can take the things we need to be better from what we saw


the issue of players not being in great shape at the early part of the season because of the shortened pre season, has been pointed out a number of times - I found it interesting that Ryan went to great lengths to replace players - sometimes as many as 6 or 7 - I did not see the Redskins do very much of that but then again our guys are probably in better shape and did not need to rest


we are a better defense than we were but Haslett and the players OBVIOUSLY need to learn a lot more too

[skinsfan#33]

Trip things that are leading to Orakpo getting fewer sacks.

One, he is getting held on almost ever play. Why the refs don't call at least 10% of the times he gets held or half of the times he gets tracked I have no idea.

He can't fo anything about the first problem, but he can do something about the second thing I' ve noticed. He only has one more; the speed rush. Now that move is fantastic, but how about learning a swim move or a bull rush.

He is a great player, but won't be elite until he learns some more poss rush moves.[/url]

[redskinz4ever]

orakpo has made some plays .... but where are the sacks ......... is this from thinking he doesn't need to improve on his pass rush techniques,i know its only going into week 4 but i thought he would be more of a factor

[HEROHAMO]

Orakpo and Kerrigan are doing great. I have no complaints about them.
They constantly are in the face of opposing QBs. Now I just would like to see some coverage sacks more often. Yes we have had a heavy dose of blitzes but there are certain times when we can have heavy coverage behind them and give K.O. more time to get to the QB.

The playcalling has been good on defense. Just would like to go with the safer bet on key situations.

I am really impressed with how well the whole defense is doing. Haslett has been good as well. Lets not forget our offense failed to get 21 points which would have led to a win.

[Kilmer72]

Who would of thought that Romo was going to run 20 yards backwards right after the snap and immediately whip the ball in the air for Bryant to convert the 3rd and 21. If Romo would have stayed in the pocket for a second he would have been sacked.

I remember Phil Simms doing the same thing to us back in the day.

[SkinsJock]

Who would of thought that Romo was going to run 20 yards backwards right after the snap and immediately whip the ball in the air for Bryant to convert the 3rd and 21. If Romo would have stayed in the pocket for a second he would have been sacked.

I remember Phil Simms doing the same thing to us back in the day.

these desparation plays sometimes work - most often NOT a very high percentage play

this defense is playing well - that play did NOT decide this game

when the QB goes back that far and just throws the ball up - most times it is an incompletion and then you're looking at 4th down
if they were looking to go for it on 4th down they would NOT have tried that play
they would have gone for a short gain to make the chance of getting a first down a lot easier

While not a scoring attempt - this is called a "Hail Mary pass" - only He decides how many of those plays works = NOT often

[CanesSkins26]

Trip things that are leading to Orakpo getting fewer sacks.

One, he is getting held on almost ever play. Why the refs don't call at least 10% of the times he gets held or half of the times he gets tracked I have no idea.

He can't fo anything about the first problem, but he can do something about the second thing I' ve noticed. He only has one more; the speed rush. Now that move is fantastic, but how about learning a swim move or a bull rush.

He is a great player, but won't be elite until he learns some more poss rush moves.[/url]

Agree completely with your second point.

On your first point, all good pass rushers get held frequently and a lot of those calls aren't made. So I seriously doubt that he is the only player in the league that is facing the problem. Holding or no holding, he has 2.5 sacks in his last 11 games. He needs to improve upon that number. Part of the reason why we are seeing Haslett call so many blitzes is because we aren't generating a consistent rush without blitzing.

[HEROHAMO]

Trip things that are leading to Orakpo getting fewer sacks.

One, he is getting held on almost ever play. Why the refs don't call at least 10% of the times he gets held or half of the times he gets tracked I have no idea.

He can't fo anything about the first problem, but he can do something about the second thing I' ve noticed. He only has one more; the speed rush. Now that move is fantastic, but how about learning a swim move or a bull rush.

He is a great player, but won't be elite until he learns some more poss rush moves.[/url]

Agree completely with your second point.

On your first point, all good pass rushers get held frequently and a lot of those calls aren't made. So I seriously doubt that he is the only player in the league that is facing the problem. Holding or no holding, he has 2.5 sacks in his last 11 games. He needs to improve upon that number. Part of the reason why we are seeing Haslett call so many blitzes is because we aren't generating a consistent rush without blitzing.

I agree that all good pass rushers get held and calls are missed. I do respectfully disagree about our front five or four not generating enough pressure. Like I said in my past posts and responses.

I would like to see some plays in which we only rush five maybe one extra man and play zone behind them or even man coverage. The idea is the secondary doing there job to allow more time for K and O to do there job.

If we are playing blitz sending too many extra men that leaves less time for Rak and Kerrigan to get to the QB. So I just think mixing it up a bit on play calls would do wonders.

I have done comparisions and to me our defense is getting in the backfield just as much if not more then any other defense. I have constantly seen Rak and Kerrigan in the face of the opposing QBs. So just some minor tweeks in playcalling will do the trick in my opinion. Also true I do want to see Rak develop a swim move or the Reggie whites hybrid rip swim move. A spin move would be nice too.